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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 01:17 PM
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The John no one knew...
Edited on Tue Aug-03-04 01:20 PM by Padraig18
It's often said that the greatest grief that any person can experience is the death of a child. This morning, I sat face to face with that grief.

Two fellow parishoners at St. John's, Loren and Cheryl, were eating lunch in the local blue-plate diner today, and asked me if I would like to share their booth, since the diner was extremely busy and crowded. I accepted readily, because they're very nice people, and we've always gotten on well whenever we've chanced to be together. I also wanted to sit with them a bit and offer my condolences on their loss, which I did.

After we'd all finished our lunches, they seemed to want to talk with me about the death of their 20-year-old son, John, who attempted suicide on July 17 and then spent eight days on life support at St. Louis University Hospitalz before dying on July 26. The pain of his death and the toll of those eight days took on John and Cheryl showed in their faces as we sat there in the booth.

Before I move ahead, it's important that I fill in a few blanks about John, so let me back up:

John was accused of entering a storage facility at the County Jail and stealing 7-8 pounds of marijuana that had been seized by East Central Illinois Task Force agents during a drug bust in an adjoining county in September 2002. After more than 20 months winding through the court system, he entered a negotiated guilty plea to a single misdemeanor count of unlawful possession of marijuana. In exchange for the guilty plea, one count of burglary, one count of theft and one count of possession with intent to sell -- the now infamous county jail marijuana burglary and theft -- were dismissed.

During my conversation with Loren and Cheryl they didn't mince words when talking about the troubles John encountered during his life. They admitted he once stole a four-wheeler, had spent time in jail and ran with a 'rough crowd'. However, they don't believe John stole the marijuana from the jail and neither do 99% of the people who followed the case, including Tony and I. Sadly, that really doesn't matter now, because that sordid little piece of local history died when John did.

During our conversation, John and Cheryl were much more focused on talking about the good things John did that went unnoticed. Cheryl talked about a penchant her son had for donating blood (he donated 22 times) and said he often wanted to give to those less fortunate. "He was always concerned about people who were disabled or poor," Cheryl said. "He loved taking the meals at Thanksgiving to the people who couldn't get out and he loved delivering Christmas food baskets to the needy."

She told me that John once gave away a $130 pair of tennis shoes to a classmate whose family was poor, and that he also gave away a leather coat to a high school classmate whose parents had both been laid off recently. "Those are things that nobody ever knew about John," she said.

Loren recalled two vacations, one in New Orleans and one in Chicago, where John witnessed panhandlers and the homeless for the first time. "You had to carry his money for him or he would just give it all away," his dad recalled. "If somebody looked like they needed money he'd give them all he had. Even when he was in jail, there was an old guy in there that didn't have any family and John would tell us to put money on his 'book' with the jail superintendent so he could afford to buy snacks and soda, like everyone else."

There will be those in our community who will choose to remember John by recalling a troubled life that quickly spiraled downward after he was accused of stealing the marijuana from the county jail. Others might remember him because of a few minor scrapes with the law or the crowd with which he was associated. However, when I think of him, I'm going to think about a story his parents related to me, a story that portrayed a far different person than the one pictured in the media.

Ever since he was a child John was interested in organ donation and as soon as he was old enough, he signed up to be a donor. During the eight long days that Loren and Cheryl spent helplessly watching their son's life slowly ebb away, they were also making plans to see that his desire was fulfilled and that his organs were fully harvested.

Because of John a 50-year-old man woke up in St. Louis with a new lease on life. In critical condition and with less than a week to live, he received John's liver. Perhaps that nameless, faceless man is enjoying a sunrise this morning or making plans to spend the day with his grandkids or just simply go for a leisurely walk.

Two people in Nebraska each received a kidney and dialysis will now no longer be a part of their weekly lives.

One person in Indiana, and another in Chicago each received a cornea from John, so that they might see this beautiful world, maybe for the first time in their lives.

John's heart went to a young father whose own heart had been attacked by a virus, and who was days from death; now he may not only live to see his children grow up, but may even live to see his grandchildren.

Every major organ in John's body, his skin and even the bones of his arms and legs were harvested and will provide help to scores of people. Despite the troubles in his life, in the end it was John who helped an untold number of people in need, none of whom he even knew.

Before taking his life John wrote a letter addressed to his parents and his girlfriend -- a letter his Cheryl pulled from her purse and shared with me today. Repeatedly saying he was sorry for the times he messed up in his life, there was one part that just yanked at my heart. It read: "I loved you all more than you think or will ever know, but my mind is just too much for me to handle. I'm sorry. Please understand."

All of my life when I've thought about the afterlife and wondered about people like John who chose to take their own life, I've been torn between what my Church teaches, and what I personally believe about God. There are those who tell us who we must walk a straight and narrow path in order to reap the rewards of the hereafter and how committing suicide is not part of that path. On the other hand, I've always thought of God as loving, compassionate and always just. I'm certain many theologians will disagree, including those within my own Church, but I to believe that maybe--- just maybe--- there's a special place of rest set aside for all the 'Johns' of this world -- all those who have too much on their minds to handle and who struggle and battle but eventually lose to the daily demons they fight.

Rest in peace, John, and Godspeed.
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Book Lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 01:20 PM
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1. Thank you for writing this (nm)
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 01:22 PM
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2. You're welcome.
:hi:
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Mikimouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 01:29 PM
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3. There is such a place, I am convinced, and there is also...
a special place for those who try to understand and love others. Your post touched me deeply and is a reflection of the beauty of your own soul. I would call you friend.:hug:
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 01:47 PM
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5. Thank you.
:hug:
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 01:32 PM
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4. His life was
short, conflicted but not wasted. Lovely, sad story. I was involved in organ harvesting, it is very difficult for the families but in the long run they always ended up feeling so much better. He gave what he could. Perhaps it would help knowing that by taking his life he was not only giving himself peace but the rest of his family and community as well? He knew the results of his actions, that is why his last act was generous.
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 01:48 PM
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6. A generosity of spirit...
Such a life cannot ever be said to have been 'wasted', IMO...

:)
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 01:54 PM
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7. I need to add
that you wrote this beautifully. Brings tears to my eyes. I miss you around here. :hi:
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 01:58 PM
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8. I'm back, lass!
Between moderating and buying the new bookstore, I didn't have much time to post, but I do now. I've missed you, too. How are the horses?

:hug::hi:
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 02:45 PM
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24. I am so happy you are back!
Horses are fine, hot this week but I have the misters on (the vet says he wants to come back as one of my pets when he dies). I have a very cute deer story to post later. I wish I was closer, I would love to visit your bookstores. Bookstores are my favorite places!
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 02:54 PM
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25. Next vacation, perhaps?
Come east!

:)
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 02:58 PM
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26. We could check out the bookstore
and the go out and eat and get loaded!!! Seriously, Hubby and I are planning a trip to Connecticut and we will be driving, slowly the way we want to. Easy since the kids will both be out of the house :cry:. I could at least stop and take you to lunch!
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 05:09 PM
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27. That sounds like a plan!
We've several lovely restaurants here, and our favorite watering hole just happens to serve the best ribs, chops and steaks in this part of the state. Convenient, eh? ;)
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pagerbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 02:00 PM
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9. Yes, beautifully written.
Edited on Tue Aug-03-04 02:00 PM by pagerbear
Very sad, very touching. Your love is so clear in your writing.

Dammit! I hate crying at work!
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 02:08 PM
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12. There, there lad...
I'd hoped to make you smile, and think about all the 'Johns' of this world for just a minute, when you did...

:hug:
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 02:03 PM
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10. dammit padraig
don't make me cry first thing in the morning. :hug:
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 02:04 PM
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11. Awww, Dookus....
:hug::loveya:
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 02:08 PM
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13. Thank you for sharing what amounts to a beautiful life...
The good of this young man far outweighs the bad, and I am thankful that you have shared it with us. John, his good deeds, and his family, will be in my thoughts today.

:hug:
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 02:10 PM
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15. When he stand before the One True Judge, ...
... his life will be weighed, and the balance will be to the good. I believe that, deeply and truly, and told Loren and Cheryl that.

:)
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 02:10 PM
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14. Thank you
That was beautifully expressed, and I'm grateful to know of his life and generosity. I have no doubt that the dogma which says that the souls tortured here on earth are condemned to an eternity of suffering is just wrong. Just plain wrong.

Thanks again for sharing that.
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 02:12 PM
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17. You're welcome.
I've always believed there was a difference between theology and dogma, and what God himself may or may not do.
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commander bunnypants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 02:12 PM
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16. Thanks for sharing my friend

Thank you very much

DDQM
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 02:29 PM
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23. You're most welcome.
:)
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Droopy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 02:14 PM
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18. What a touching post
It's a tragedy that John couldn't reach out for help for what was making him suicidal. I know from experience that it can be one of the hardest things to do. So many people could be helped if we lived in a society that encouraged people to be more open about their feelings.
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 02:22 PM
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22. Aye.
We must learn and accept that depression is an illness, and not a sin or a weakness.
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 02:15 PM
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19. I beleive the Johns of the world are put here to..
Edited on Tue Aug-03-04 02:16 PM by nini
teach us.

To remind us of how precious life is.

To remind us to not turn our backs on those who may have made mistakes.

To remind us there is good in all of us.

To remind us to live for today because we never know what tomorrow will bring.

To remind us that God is showing us these things in subtle ways.


I am Catholic too and I beleive John is with God - our God would never turn his back on someone in pain and who did good in his life. I believe God will always give us a second chance even if we screwed up so bad we can't even live with ourselves.

Peace to you Padraig18 :hug: and John's parents. Stories like these break my heart.
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 02:20 PM
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21. We need to see with our 'other eyes', as my Gran says...
Edited on Tue Aug-03-04 02:21 PM by Padraig18
Often, we only see that which is most obvious, and forget that what is visible may be only the 10%, with the remaining 90% submerged or hidden from view, like an iceberg. "Judge not, lest ye be judged" should be our watchword in such cases as this...
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 02:16 PM
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20. Beautiful tribute, Paddy.
Thanks for posting that.

<sniff>
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 05:20 PM
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28. You're welcome.
:)
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flamingyouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 05:26 PM
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29. Oh, I'm so sorry to read this
To not only lose a child, but to lose one to suicide, must be impossible to bear.

I do have a book recommendation for his poor parents. Judy Collins wrote a fantastic, lyrical book called Sanity & Grace: A Journey of Suicide, Survival and Strength, after her only child Clark killed himself. After my husband's suicide, there was a deluge of books on grief, suicide, loss, you name it, but this one touched me more than any other. Once I finished it, I immediately reread it. If they are ready to read about another parent's loss, I would love to have them read it. In fact, I'd be happy to send them my copy.

Their loss weighs heavily on my heart.
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 05:30 PM
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31. Hi, darlin'!
Thanks for the title! I'll order a copy from my supplier, and take it to them. I think they may be ready for something like that.

I miss seeing you down is the forum. How are you doing?

:hug::loveya:
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flamingyouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 05:31 PM
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32. I'm doing well, Paddy, and I'm surrounded by love
The outpouring of support I've received both here and from my friends overwhelms me every day.

Lots of love to you and Tony...:loveya:
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 05:36 PM
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33. Great!
Lots of love back at ya from both of us.

:)
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flamingyouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 05:30 PM
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30. Also, when they're ready, this site is very helpful
Edited on Tue Aug-03-04 05:30 PM by flamingyouth
http://survivorsofsuicide.com/

We are angry and confused as we struggle for our breath. Our hearts cry out in anger in what has been labeled a senseless death.

We have good days and bad days, and without a trace, in the circle, tears and smiles meet as we gather strength together.
Sons and daughters, husbands and wives, brothers and sisters and friendships felt deep in our souls, memories and moments left clinging to us, and questions of how to let go.


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Mrs. Venation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 05:53 PM
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34. In June, 1999, My Friend Dave Took His Life
It was the single most painful, difficult, and impossible-to-understand event of my life. There has been other trauma in my life, not the least of which was an acquaintance rape 30 years ago, but this has been, by far, the hardest to get through.

Dave was a man of boundless energy, endless love for his son, and incredibly intelligent. We worked together for seven years. His marriage was falling apart, a project was not going well, Dave tried to weather the storms on his own, and, eventually, he could only see darkness. We knew he was troubled; the stress was showing more and more, and we tried to help him.

Dave left a note; he said to "tell work they won't have to worry about me any more." Somehow, that makes it more painful.

There are so many "if only" moments after someone you love takes his life. I don't think the pain ever truly goes away. As time goes on, though, the pain becomes easier to live with, and the memories of life outweigh the memories of death.

I'll be keeping your friends in my prayers. And I'll be thanking the maker that they have you as a friend, Padraig. You are one of the people here on DU who is aglow with love and kindness.
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flamingyouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 05:59 PM
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35. I am so sorry for the loss of your friend
Suicide affects the survivors in a way very few other things do. Those of us left behind are forever changed. My husband didn't leave a note; I don't think he even planned it. But like Dave, Alan could only see darkness, although he was surrounded by friends who miss him greatly.

I know you were a great friend to Dave, and wherever he is now, he's looking out for you.:hug:
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mohinoaklawnillinois Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 06:10 PM
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36. Padraig, thank you for that beautiful post.
If more people in this world were as compassionate and Christian as you truly are, maybe things wouldn't be as screwed up as they are.

Please tell your friends that they are in my prayers.


:loveya: :hug:
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 06:17 PM
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37. I'll tell them.
:hug:
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 06:23 PM
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38. Yes, every cloud has a silver lining.
Edited on Tue Aug-03-04 06:25 PM by ih8thegop
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 07:21 PM
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40. Aye.
If you look for it, it's almost always there.

:)
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achtung_circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 06:44 PM
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39. I have no words. nt
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maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-04 08:14 PM
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41. Kick
:kick:
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