caveat & apologia

[jukes]

it has been pointed out bu a dear DU friend that my occasional posts about hunting humans may be misinterpreted by some as more macho bullshit.

i'll attempt to clarify: i only post such information to shame those boastful posters, of libertarian bent, that flaunt their manliness by bragging about killing helpless animals. *mano-a-mano*, these brave individuals are useless when it comes to a fight w/ a dangerous animal, such as man.

it is true that i have been a hunter of humans. that is not braggadocio. in vietnam, i hunted & killed. as a career law enforcement agent, my job was to hunt humans. although i often had the legal right to kill as a policeman, i have never done so. i have twice disarmed people w/handguns who clearly were an imminent threat to me. i wd not have been faulted had i used lethal force, but i have trained myself in martial arts w/ the express purpose of controlling dangerous people w/ minimal damage.

i do not believe in the death penalty. i don't believe in killing for the sake of killing. although embued w/cynicism from 20 years of seeing people @ their worst behavior, i view the ending of any life to be a last resort.


my sincere regret if i've offended any1 w/ these comments, or have been misunderstood as yet another butch braggart.

[Dookus]

1. You haven't offended me one bit...

I myself said I would "ventilate" anybody who dared to "ventilate" one of my cats. I meant it.

[MichaelHarris]

2. cat

ventilation is a slap in the face of civilization.

[Bertha Venation]

24. You & me both, Dook.//Jukes, you rock.

:bounce:

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

3. That is my new name for you: Butch Braggart, hunter of men

it sounds like you should roam the tundra with a name like that! :)

Don't sweat it Jukes!

[jukes]

4. perhaps

i should change my nick!

or @ least write up a TV movie screenplay, & make mt fortune!

tx for the laugh; am perhaps a bit of a drama-queen for the last coupla...

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

11. Sounds more like a gay porn video title. NTTAWWT. (nt)

[Mara Steele]

13. OMG... That's the funniest thing I've heard

& it does sound just like a gay porn title...

:D

[jukes]

38. goodgod

it really does. Chavez, copywrite that quick!

[Rhiannon12866]

5. It sounds as if you have had a colorful life, rich in experience,

and no apologies should be necessary, at least on DU. I also don't believe in the death penalty. I live in a rural area, but I am opposed to hunting and against the killing of all innocent life. I am a firm believer in gun control, though I was formerly a card-carrying member of the NRA. And, as you know, I love my animals. I would defend them, or any animals, like anyone would defend their kids. That's the only thing that I could imagine that would provoke me to violence. You have never bragged; you have rescued and defended the innocent.:-)

[jukes]

6. thank you, Riannon!

fellow battler of animal cruelty & DU friend!

[Rhiannon12866]

41. Thank you for the compliment, my friend!

You are the one who is on the front lines and doing the hard work, defending the most helpless of animals! Thank you, for the animals. You cannot hear this enough.O8)

[jukes]

7. kicking myself

to keep this available.

i'll kick it later for the night watch.

[Blue-Jay]

8. Don't sweat it, jukes.

Your posts give me the warm fuzzies for some reason, even when you're being butch. With no caps and all the made-up words(which somehow make perfect sense), it's like reading the diary of e.e. cummings.

[jukes]

45. Blue-Jay

nice prop, tx!

i do like to liven things w/unusu language, suspect it makes folks think. besides, we all have our personal conceits, neh?

[supernova]

9. You haven't offended me

but I will say, having been raised in rural America and being back here again, I have no problem with those who, like bearfan, engage in subsistance hunting.

I agree with you though, on the death penalty. I have never supported it.

[jukes]

10. i have very mixed feelings

on "subsistence hunting". the kill-fests recently conducted by cheney & scalia might be thought of as falling into this category, but they are indicative of the wanton disregard for our environment endemic in these monsters.

life eats life; there's no denying this fact. i'm a vegetarian due to a psychological block stemming from the war, but i use animal by-products: my 2" leather garrison work-belt, my work-boots.

i wish the meat processing industry was more humane, but that's off-topic.

i have known many people, cityfolk as well as country, that needed to supp their family's diet w/game animals. i wd not deny their families needed food, nor wd i ridicule these conscientious hunters that conserve life & honor the animals they kill. my ancestors "apologized" to the spirits of their prey.

my "beef" is w/the ridiculous "sport" hunters that equate the killing of animals w/ "manliness" & brag of their callous mistreatment of animals, game or otherwise. those that wantonly, & often badly, injure animals, not out of need or for food, but to hang a trophy. those who poach, in violation of laws intended to protect animal populations.

those that post ugly & hurtful responses in the threads of animal lovers w/the intent of disrupting & aggrandizing themselves.

sorry i was not succinct on this issue, i mean no disrespect to those that practice sound ecological "subsistence" hunting.

thanks for correcting me & allowing me to clarify my post!

[supernova]

12. That makes me nauseous

"sport" hunters that equate the killing of animals w/ "manliness" & brag of their callous mistreatment of animals, game or otherwise. those that wantonly, & often badly, injure animals, not out of need or for food, but to hang a trophy. those who poach, in violation of laws intended to protect animal populations.

I have no use for these types either.

[pagerbear]

15. I'm with both of you on this one!

OTOH, although I hate hunting I also recognize how it controls animal populations. Animal overpopulation leads to animal deaths much more torturous than being shot, and the possibility of dangerous confrontations with humans.

[MisterP]

28. normally, those populations have natural predators living in the area,

keeping booms and busts well moderated. Of course, hunters and cattle barons demanded that all those predators be extirpated and, well, there you have it--a "self-licking ice cream cone."

[pagerbear]

29. Ooh! When's the last time I heard the word "extirpate"

Probably the last time I heard "Elijah" ("extirpate the Foe")

[ScreamingMeemie]

14. What? I didn't even notice...

No offense here. :hi:

[jukes]

16. p'bear & MrsGrumpy

2 DUers who's opinion matters much to jukes. tx!

[Mara Steele]

17. Mornin' jukes!

Think you already know, that all is cool with me! :pals:

No apology needed...

:hi:

[jukes]

18. you're the best!

and a sweetie, too!

for a dyke, that is.... :evilgrin:

[Mara Steele]

25. Oh yeah?

Well, damn it, you're a sweetie, too!

for a crazy old bastard, that is...

:pals: :loveya:

[jukes]

26. iyam what iyam

got any goddam spinach?

[Mara Steele]

27. Spinach...?

...Is that code for marijuana?

:smoke:

[jukes]

30. nope

got plenty, thanks.

injectables are running low, though....



:smoke:

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[jukes]

21. any1 else getting weird dupes

& trouble editing?

[SarahB]

22. I didn't even notice.

So, hey, all is well here. :pals:

[jukes]

23. TX, S/B!

alert button isn't working, either.

[jukes]

31. kick

for the evening watch


:kick:

[jukes]

32. needs another

:kick:

[jukes]

33. one more

:kick:


dowt it's worth it

[Mara Steele]

34. 1 more...

:kick:

Hope it's not over-kill... :hi:

[jukes]

36. tx, mara

having a good night?

[Mara Steele]

40. Yep, pretty mellow

and you?

[jukes]

46. over-kill

is jukes' surname!

[Race4Peace]

35. you're a good one.

[jukes]

37. thanks for the prop

R4P. glad your cat's home!


:bounce:

[Nlighten1]

39. Your cat looks cool.

Your CIB looks cooler.

:)

[jukes]

48. high praise

from a zen master!

love your samurai avatar!

[slutticus]

42. But how many people...

...has that black panther you have there killed? Huh? Tell me that!

[jukes]

43. he never bragged

on the #s of his confirmed. i avoid mentioning headcounts, too!

[Rhiannon12866]

44. He is a beautiful cat, I agree

He reminds me so much of my kitty who I brought in from outside, except he looks so confident and she did not. It never dawned on me, but this little girl must have had a "head count," as well. I never thought of this, since all my kitties have been indoor cats. But my cat wouldn't have remained alive, otherwise. Animals suffer so terribly because of the carelessness or cruelty of humans.;(

[jukes]

47. 'tonio

was the defining principal of "confidence". was my alpha right to the end. cd go berserker in a tick if other cats stepped out of line.

loving & nurturing when called for.


best friend i ever had; miss him terribly. suspect my last thoughts will be of my tony.

[slutticus]

49. Your cat has my name...

B-)

And with this post I have officially entered "the 700 club". Oh dear.

[Rhiannon12866]

51. Oh, dear, is right!!!

Now you're really in for it!!! Get ready to duck and cover and post like a madman!!! We'll be waiting for you when you make it safely out on the other side!!!:scared::scared::scared:

[slutticus]

52. No Doubt

I'm putting that in my sigline. I will wear it like a mark of shame until the time comes when I can remove it.

[Rhiannon12866]

53. You can count on us!!!

We'll be waiting for you with sweets and flowers!!! And Cheerios!!!:grouphug:

[slutticus]

54. Thanks!

I'm always touched by the support of those willing to get fellow DUers out of the 700 club quickly.

[Rhiannon12866]

60. Hurry! Hurry! Pat Robertson is breathing down your neck!!!

He wants your soul!:scared::scared::scared:

[jukes]

55. we'll help you escape, slutty

post away!

[Rhiannon12866]

50. I know exactly how you feel about him. He was very close to you

And you don't lose that closeness, even if you lose them. They will always be a part of you and you never lose that emotional connection. I know I may be a little nutty, but I sometimes call my perfect cat, right out loud, on the tiniest chance that she will hear me, and come to me as she always did, even though I lost her at the end of September, 2001. I just don't want to lose that eternal connection, which I do believe exists, even though most people would probably think I am somewhat crazy.:crazy:

[jukes]

56. i'm an atheist

as most here know.

i still visit 'tonio's grave to talk to him.

& whisper i miss him most nights.

someone call me a sentimental girlieman!


:cry:

your's was very beautiful, btw!

[slutticus]

57. You're an atheist!!!!!!!!!!!!

For Shame!


Just kidding.

You'll notice that I have abandoned my American Atheists sigline pic in favor of the 700 club logo. It's just a little incentive to speed up my posting...

[Rhiannon12866]

61. So am I, pretty much. And I certainly understand

I don't advertise the fact, since most of my friends are Catholics, like much of my family, but I revealed this to my friend in animal rescue, when one of those "get to know your friends" e-mails was going around. We had quite a discussion about it, since she feels much the same, having witnessed so much cruelty, much of it by self-proclaimed "Christians." I try to live up to Christian ideals, but pretty much lost any faith I still had when I lost my Dad, who was a wonderful human being, much too young and after much suffering. My co-worker, a born-again Christian, tried to talk to me about having faith, at the time, and I just wanted to smack him. I also have lost too many animals, though I have gone the extra mile for all of them. Thanks for the compliment to my kitty. She was such an amazing little being, and I hoped to have her for 20 years. I lost her at age seven. I still sometimes talk to her, as well. She was my 'tonio.;(

[Rhiannon12866]

62. He must have been very special, as well as a beautiful cat

We love them all, but there are those with whom we have a special connection. They are soulmates. I posted the photo of my special cat. She communicated with me much the same way as another person. I will never know her like again, and I knew this from the moment she did a delicate little leap out of her carrier and into my life. I would have done anything to keep her with me, and I certainly tried, but I still lost her.;(

I have also loved all my dogs, but Barney was special, such a gentle soul. His story touched my heart when I saw him on the "Pet Connection" segment of the Albany, NY, news. The chief meteorologist there is a great animal-lover and has animals up for adoption twice a week. I called ib before the program was even over. I just knew that he belonged in my life. I lost him a year-and-a-half ago, at age 18. I still miss him, terribly, everyday.;(

[IronLionZion]

58. I hope I never have to kill anyone

I can't even imagine how horrible that must be. That's why I don't question Kerry's actions in Vietnam.

I'm not against hunting but it's not nearly as macho as an animal rights activist jumping into the sea to rescue a great white shark caught in a fishing net. And I have seen that on news. crazy shit.

you don't need to apologize to us

[jukes]

59. thank you, indie!

i have to admit i'm rehoning my skills, in prep for the november fraud.



over the years, i've taken many oaths to protect & defend the Constitution. i hold those oaths binding.