question for men who insist toilet seat be up

[prolesunited]

Are you seriously incapable of putting it down when you are done, or is it a power play to assert control over your partner?

:hi:

[jukes]

1. in my house

toilets are primarily watering holes for cats. human utilage is 2cndary; hence, seats remain up for safety.

[mrboba1]

2. I always close the whole thing

because of pets, but what is the difference between you leaving the seat down (when men would need it up) and men leaving it up (when you need it down.)

to-may-to
to-maa-to

to me.
:shrug:

(not trying to be a smart-ass, really just wondering)

[jukes]

8. only two people in house

many cats, & most prefer the fresh, cold water of the toilet to waterbowls.

also saves me refilling 8 huge bowls several times a day.

mutual agreement on seat position between myself & SO.

catless, i'd bow to feminine needs; it's a (wet) bum to sit in the dark & find no seat there!


EDIT: safety, since it's harder, especially for a kitten, to climb out w/ seat emplaced.

[JVS]

3. If I have just layed a deuce, it stays down

My basic rule is not touching the toilet seat. People shit there!

[wickywom]

4. because

...if they touch the seat they have to wash their hands.

[Speck Tater]

5. Equality has been achieved when...

... both partners are utterly indifferent about the state the seat is left in. Only then can it truly be said that each has accepted the other for what they both are.

[wickywom]

10. well said

but -- the one who pees on it should clean it up.

[olddem43]

12. Agreed, women should learn to operate the toilet seat -

without bitching about it.

[XNASA]

6. I agree that the lid should be down at all times when not in use. But....

If I were a woman, and I knew that a man had left the seat up, it would be comforting to know that the seat was in fact 'up' when the man was having a pee.

I mean, if I saw that the seat was down, I would question whether or not it had ever been up in the first place.

It's a Catch-22.

[carolinayellowdog]

7. straw man

no man ever insists that it be up when he arrives-- not that I ever heard of.

[eyesroll]

9. The seat should be down. In fact, the lid should be left down.

In fact, close the toilet, then flush. If you've got a small bathroom, and you flush without closing the toilet, your toothbrush will end up with little aerosolized droplets of toilet water...

Not that I ever remember to close the lid. But still. Eew.

[Magrittes Pipe]

18. You know damn well that I don't put it down.

And I am perfect! :bounce:

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

11. Are you seriously incapable of putting it down yourself?

[SheilaT]

13. I guess no man

has ever sat down on the seatless toilet.

I let my husband and sons know early on that the one thing I would publicly humiliate them about is leaving the toilet seat up. And they always put it down.

Putting it down really is simple consideration for the next person, who might well be a woman.

[mrboba1]

14. I always look.

If the lid is closed - then you always have to do something. Go that route and you never think of it again.

[JVS]

15. It happened once, when I was a young kid.

Somehow I miraculously learned to check.

[truthspeaker]

16. I don't insist it be up. Up,down, whatever - I check first

[JVS]

17. Those who complain to others about falling into the toilet...

would obviously rather curse the darkness (i.e complain) than light a candle (i.e check).

As far as bathroom activities go, I hold firmly to this saying: each person is the smith of his/her own happiness.

[redqueen]

19. The lid should stay closed!

Jeez... doesn't anyone care what's being sprayed all over their bathrooms? You're worried about touching the seat? Well the handle's little better if someone flushes without closing the lid first!

[Mr.Green93]

20. at least you have a toilet

[prolesunited]

21. You don't have a toilet?

:shrug:

[Mr.Green93]

22. only recently

my point is, are we so comfortable as a society that we are reduced to complaining about the position of the toilet seat?

[prolesunited]

23. Excellent point!

I recently got back from a weeklong camping/cycling event and I know I developed a new appreciation for toilets and hot showers.

Glad you have a toilet now as well, no matter what position you leave the seat in.

[redqueen]

25. This is the lounge, after all

Nothing is too insignificant to whine about.

But yes, you're right. Having lived without a toilet, I can say it's nice to have one even if the durn thing's in an outhouse.

[BiggJawn]

24. Should never be left up.

Really, don't you fellers know it's bad Feng Shui to leave the toilet seat up? All the wealth in your house goes drfting into the bowl, and when you flush away some used beer, there goes your wealth with it!

Plus it makes the goldfish in the next room nervous. I don't know why, it just does. And the kitchen fish starts spazzing out when I get the Gorton's Fish Sticks out of the freezer, but I digress here....

I leave it down when I'm not using it.

[Mr.Green93]

27. double lol

[JVS]

32. Feng Shui is a crock of shit

[TheSeventhStranger]

26. Both

We are programmed at birth by other men to be unable to put the seat down, and then later told by other evil men... usually our uncles... how to use it as an evil plot to assert control over female partners. Also, we are programmed to laugh our asses off when you fall in and go splash.

[tigereye]

29. husband has been trained to leave it down

as has the little boy. I reign supreme! I have so much female power, I can't stand it.

[Heddi]

28. My husband is completely toilet trained

he pees sitting down. Says he likes it bettr that way because otherwise there's the 'splash and sprinkle' factor which he thinks is just as gross as I do.

So no open toilet seat for us :)

[prolesunited]

30. I'm impressed!

Was that your idea or his?

[Heddi]

39. Kind of both

I asked him once many years ago "why do you have to stand up when you pee?" and he said "I dunno" and started to sit down to pee ever since and hasn't looked back!

[prolesunited]

41. I've heard there's a way

for women to pee standing up without it being so messy, but I've never tried it.

Although I did squat in a cornfield or two on my recent cycling adventure. Funny story is that a group of women were getting undressed to shower and we were talking about losing any pretense of modesty. I mentioned even peeing in a cornfield earlier that day.

One of the women looked at me and started cracking up. Apparently, I had left evidence. A leaf from a cornstalk was still stuck to me butt! :silly:

[Heddi]

45. the way I've heard is primarily

for women who are in wilderness situations---I know from my own "pee behind a tree" experience that you have to pretty much remove all your clothes or else you're either going to pee all over your underpants & slacks, or the pee will run down your leg and soak your shoe.

So what you can do if you're in the woods and have to go #1---

Pull down your pants like you're going to peee.

Stand up and with one hand, spread the labia open, and with the other hand, make a "V" with your index and middle finger. With the labia still spread open place the V sort of around the clitoris (the urethra is between the clit & vaginal opening) and pull the skin taught, so that the urethra faces directly outwards and then you can pee and it will squirt out instead of down.

You can also do this with two hands, but instead of making a v with one and holding open with the other, you just pull the skin back with both hands (Keeping the skin taught will force the urine to spray outwards).

I've never tried it (I tend to avoid situations that would force me to wipe my patoot with a leaf), but I've heard it works !!

[redqueen]

34. That's the best.

No messy seat that way.

[Heddi]

40. Yep

and no pee halo around the base of the toilet either.

[Blue-Jay]

46. My wife is completely "fetch-me-a-beer" trained!

I don't really have a wife, but you can see where I'm going with the "training" comment....

Makes us sound like dogs.

[Khephra]

31. Lets look at it from an action situation

1 - man lifts seat
2- man closes seat

Or...

1- woman sits her ass down.

Hmmmmm.....

Who is doing all the work in this situation?

(Mom told me the only reason that women complain about this is because they sit down in water. My answer? Why in the hell are you sitting down without looking where you are sitting????)

[jdonaldball]

33. In developed countries, we have high toilet-seat technology

and the toilet seat is very easy to move. Up or down.
Women in highly technologically developed Western countries, ought to learn how to use this high technology.
If the toilet seat is up, you can put it down. It takes one second.
ie, think logically, practically, about the different perspectives of men and women. Or to be more clear, men who have just done a number one. Men who have done a number two have probably left the seat down.
So, think about the perspective of a man who has done his number one:
...it's done. Toilet seat is up. No need to put it down unless someone needs it to be down...
...it is easy to put the seat down, easy for anyone who NEEDS to put the seat down...
...there are other things to think about...
...and a man does not often think about how women urinate...well, at least, sane and healthy men do not think about it much.........

[Pithlet]

43. Goes both ways

Not that hard for the man to put it down. In fact, the only people who need to use it with the lid up are men. Both men and women use it with the lid down. Lid down is the sex neutral position of the lid.

Therefore, both efforts being equal, the men should leave the toilet in the "neutral" state that either sex can use it in. Common courtesy. Men who get worked up about it are just as bad, if not worse, than women who do, because they are the ones who need the lid up.

[sangh0]

35. Neither

I like the splashing sound the toilet makes when someone falls in

[gpandas]

36. wife and i use seperate...

toilets. i clean mine (powder room), she cleans hers (master bedroom). luckily powder room is close to bedroom

[Logansquare]

37. My husband left the lid up one night

and I fell in. That's why we don't like you leaving the lid up guys, especially at 2 am when we aren't wearing our glasses. He was awakened rather unpleasantly, and hasn't done it since.

[HarveyBriggs]

38. Women have it all wrong!

It was a MAN who invented the toilet, and most definately the seat is intended to stay up. And the reason is, the guy who invented the toilet knows all about the leasing and re-leasing of beer.

As for female inventions in the bathroom: toilet paper dust covers, and the fuzzy device you laides insist on using to cover the toilet seat so it sends the lid crashing down while a guy is urinating, I don't see much sense in either of those things.

Let's just say, the practicality of first invention escapes me. And the second invention causes one of two things 1) it gets the toilet seat urine soaked (it's your cover, you clean it), or 2) causes us guys to lift one leg to hold the toilet seat up, giving way to the female myth that "men are dogs!"

As for power in the family, the struggle is all about the toilet paper going "over" or "under." And let's just say,as far as I'm concerned, you can't make those little paper airplane nose thingies at the end of the roll the way the fancy hotels do if you go the "under" route.

; - )

Harvey Briggs

[Pithlet]

44. I'm with you on the TP and lid covers

I hate toilet lid covers, and TP should be over, even if you don't do the fancy fold thing. It's just the way it should be.

[Kadie]

42. I don't mind the seat being left up, but

please guy, help me clean the toilet once in a while. I mean do you really need to make such a mess! Yuck! Grab some tissue and wipe the rim (of the toilet) now and then.

[sangh0]

47. I suggest

you but a VERY large funnel

[cally]

48. I see it as a courtesy thing

Not completely logical but it is polite to close the lid. If you are fighting that one, then I think you might be fighting other battles that I really don't want to fight. I'm OK with basic courtesies. I don't want a mate who is not.

[blindpig]

49. compromise:lid up, seat down

at least that works at Chigger Hill Farm. Back in the day(long ago!) when my place was a crash pad the seat was kept up to keep addled males from pissing all over the seat. I can be trained!

[IronLionZion]

50. are you?

Hey, we don't ask YOU to put it UP! Whatever happened to gender equality?





(I'm kidding) :P

[LizW]

51. My sister in law has fancy toilets

that you just have to give a little nudge and the seat and lid gently glide down with no crash. Also helps protect little boys from traumatic seat/lid accidents. ;)

[puerco-bellies]

52. Not worth the ass-kickings..

When in a relationship if my S.O. is over the seat is down. On my own the seat stays in the upright and locked position for ease of access.

For what ever reason it seems to be a litmus test for accommodation of the fair sex. This is a test that is not worth failing. I have stood on principle in my younger days but came to realize that the subtle retribution is swift and sure. You women hate us for our freedom.
P-B

[politicat]

53. you know....

God was busy in the garden of Eden just shortly before sunset on Day Six of the marathon world creation session. He had Eve getting things ready to go for Production on Monday and Adam working on that last minute naming schema thing and he realized he'd left some stuff out.

"Hey, you two!" God booms. "Got some stuff to hand out."

So Eve leaves the production schedule and Adam leaves the naming schema and they come lean on God's cube wall (covered in nice, tasteful carpet, dontcha know?) and God says, "Okay. I've got these two things... There's one for each of you. The first one is the ability to pee standing up -- "

"OH!! OH!! I gotta have that one!!" Adam jumps up and down, making little noises like contestants make on "The Price Is Right" and looking like God's got the keys to his new Chrysler. "I want that one! Think about it, when I'm running around, naming stuff, all I have to do is let go, and no worries, but for keeping my feet dry, and OH!! I'll be able to write my name in the snow, once I learn how to spell it! Oh, pick me pick me pick me!!!!"

God looks at Eve, who shrugs. "Sure. He wants it that much, he can have it. I'm okay with that."

God gives Adam the box with the ability to pee standing up in it and smiles at Eve. "Okay, well, what's left is multiple orgasms. Have fun!"



Politicat

[PittPoliSci]

54. i use it down.

i have pretty lousy aim at 4:30 in the morning and usually would do something awful i'd regret in the morning if i did anything less than sit down.