Which band suffered the most because of a major personel change?

[coloradodem2005]

Poll question: Which band suffered the most because of a major personel change?

This is in response to my poll last night. It is not a commentary on the bands that I list, before or after the change(s) but many of them did change direction with this.

[DS1]

1. Someone that had never heard AC/DC would be hard-pressed

to identify before / after Bon.

[Screaming Lord Byron]

2. The Stones, Pink Floyd, The Clash, Suede, Kraftwerk.

[Beware the Beast Man]

3. The Who, by far.

All of those bands managed to make some pretty big splashes, even after a major personnel change. The Who was the only one who never really recovered from Moon's death. They became a joke with all their reunion/farewell tours and the like. And now that Entwistle's gone, they're really a shell of their former selves.

[coloradodem2005]

21. There were some songs on their last two albums that were pretty good

Froom Face Dances, "You Better You Bet" and "Another Tricky Day" were good and from It's Hard "Athena" and "Eminence Front" were pretty good.

Though, Moon had an extremely distinctive style of drumming and that style was noticably absent on those two albums. I guess that is why Zeppelin packed it in when John Bonham died.

[AntiCoup2K4]

4. There is no Van Halen without David Lee Roth.

and I would say that even if Sammy weren't a Bush/Rohrabacher supporting tequila peddling Republican.

[Texasgal]

14. Agreed!

Van Halen has never been the same since "diamond Dave" left!

[coloradodem2005]

16. I liked some of the Sammy stuff but I also agree with you.

5150 was good, except for the last song, ou812 was spotty. For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge was excellent. Balance was once again spotty. It was decent. But VH with Roth was the next best thing to Led Zeppelin if I ever heard a band like that. It was raw, fresh, not polished and it had a lot of energy. THat energy died when Roth left. They changed Radically. Unlike AC/DC who lost an important member but continued down the same path, Van Halen stopped being Van Halen. It would have had a lot more integrity for them to go by a different name when Hagar joined.

On another note, Hagar's politics do piss me off. So, I more or less agree with you.

[swag]

5. The Stranglers

They were already going to shit well before Hugh Cornwell left, but his final departure really did them in.

Sadly, they linger.

Here's a shot from when they were great:

[AntiCoup2K4]

6. Why is Pink Floyd getting so many votes?

I think they did just great without Syd Barrett.

[coloradodem2005]

7. Post Roger Waters.

Momentary Lapse of Reason and The Division Bell both came out by Pink Floyd sans-Waters.

[Screaming Lord Byron]

8. My vote was for post-Syd.

[AntiCoup2K4]

9. Nah, those are David Gilmour solo albums

I don't even count them as Pink Floyd.

[Parche]

12. Pink Floyd

Those were 2 great albums
hey have done fine with and without roger

[Magrittes Pipe]

10. The Beatles...

...after Paul became a giant turd.

[Screaming Lord Byron]

11. After he died, you mean.

28 IF, dude. 28 IF.

[Magrittes Pipe]

19. Nah, he died after Pepper.

And "When I'm 64" makes me want to vomit blood.

[asthmaticeog]

13. I'm gonna get flamed, but

Joy Division. That New Order disco bullshit don't sit so well with me AT ALL.

[Dastard Stepchild]

36. not so much a flame...

but a little match put under yer rump :)

I like New Order, but I can't completely disagree with you. Hence the tiny, tiny little flame from a small match.

15. Genesis

They went from great to a joke.

All the others didn't become a joke, not even the Who.

[tridim]

22. Disagree

Genesis did change post Gabriel, but the Phil era did bring some really great albums. Trick of The Tail, Wind and Wuthering, Seconds Out, Duke, Abacab.. Pretty much everything up until Invisible Touch. Then they went to crap. Maybe you were talking about the third Genesis era?

29. well at some point they started to suck

like you did say:evilgrin:

[Richardo]

17. Chicago went from raw, edgy, gutsy political songs to all-treacle

...all-the-time after Terry Kath killed himself. Talk about a 180-degree turn for the worse... x(

[Bunny]

27. I'll second that.

Chicago is one of my all-time favorite bands, but they really turned to shit after Terry Kath died. Pee-yoo!

[Screaming Lord Byron]

18. S Club 7, after Jon left.

:cry:

[mikeysnot]

20. Grateful Dead

Gerry Was everything IMO, to be fair, I haven't seen them as "The Dead", but Gerry was it....

[Caution]

23. Spinal Tap - Eric "Stumpy Joe" Childs

Childs, Eric "Stumpy Joe" (1945-1974): Former Wool Cave drummer became Tap’s second drummer in 1969 after John "Stumpy" Pepys died in a bizarre gardening accident. Derek remembers Childs as having "big hands, big feet, big heart. Small lips. Thin hair. Big ears. That really says it all." (IST) Childs would perform on four Tap albums before choking to death on someone else’s vomit in 1974. Who produced the vomit remains shrouded in mystery. Nigel: "You can’t really dust for vomit." Inexplicably, the band would later claim he died of a melanin overdose. (STR) And even later, when asked about the investigation into Childs' death, Derek reported: "Last we heard, they had conducted DNA tests on . The only results to get back to us was that, on closer analysis, it may not have been vomit." (PB) An early Tap session drummer, Childs played on "(Listen to the) Flower People" b/w "Rainy Day Sun," although he didn’t join the group officially until 1969.

[Bunny]

25. ***snarf***

That movie is a classic! :D

[blue neen]

24. "Young voter in house sez"

the clash ended with their personnel change.
as for van halen, let me put it this way. they just put out that new two disk best of, right? well, it's all mixed up, sammy, dave, sammy, dave. it should be just one disk of dave and one of sammy, that way i could just destroy the sammy disk and never, ever have to even look at it ever again. mosh tequila my ass.
and for those of you who know the band, the misfits suffered hard when glen danzig left.

50% rock, 50% roll
100% dem
wash thoroghly, air dry.
peace, dano

[tom_paine]

26. Van Halen has simply SUCKED since David Lee Roth left

[phillybri]

28. Sabbath isn't Sabbath w/o Ozzy...

And I'm a big Dio guy...

[coloradodem2005]

34. Ozzy was the soul of Sabbath.

Heaven and Hell was an awesome album by any standard though. Outside of that, I agree with you.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

30. Other: Marillion

Genesis descended into pop in a graceful, slow manner. Marillion dropped like a ton of bricks, and into crappier pop.

[LuCifer]

31. Other: The Sex Pistols!

I love how Malcolm wanted to puke out another "Johnny Rotten" AS IF! Safe to say that man did not have one foot in this realm known as REALITY!

Lu

[Caution]

32. Spinal Tap - Peter "James" Bond

Bond, Peter "James" (1949-1977): Tap’s third drummer, the curly-haired Bond replaced Eric "Stumpy Joe" Childs in 1974 shortly before the release of "The Sun Never Sweats." David remembers the drummer as "the ultimate professional" and a "snappy dresser." (IST) Three years after he joined the band, while performing at the Isle of Lucy Blues-Jazz (alternately Jazz-Blues) Festival with Buddahead, Bond spontaneously combusted in what many audience members believed was part of the show. (AOL) (At the time, the other members of Tap were regrouping at Nigel’s castle in Lichtenstein after the Megaphone disaster.) Nigel: "He just was like a flash of green light, and that was it. Nothing was left. Well, there was a little green globule on his drum seat. It was a small stain, actually." Bond’s charred drumsticks were retrieved by manager Ian Faith as mementos. (EW) Nigel, who has always been close to the band’s drummers, says Bond’s death was particularly traumatic because "he owed me money." (IST) Bond was succeeded by Mick Shrimpton, who would himself later spontaneously combust.

[AntiCoup2K4]

33. Good to see so many Democratic Van Halen fans in here....

Now why don't y'all get registered over at www.rotharmy.com and help me reclaim the political "Front Line" forum from the Busheep :evilgrin:

[coloradodem2005]

39. Are you the guy over there with the Mini-me Bush thing on your sig?

n/t

[MissMillie]

35. Well, I'm betting Van Halen suffered the most financially

But for a band to suffer artistically, in my eyes anyway, they would have had to have appealed to me in the first place.

On your list Pink Floyd alone is the only one that had room to go down hill.

[Swamp Rat]

37. Van Halen went from cool to worse than elevator music

My buddies and I went out and bought guitars during the early Van Halen days and we prided ourselves on being able to play "Eruption." Kinda funny and silly when I look back on it, especially after a career as a classical musician, but they are fond memories. I can't think of enough expletives to describe Sammy Hagar and what he did to Van Halen.

[GumboYaYa]

38. Little Feet

went from great to ughhhh.