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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 09:03 PM
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Why the hell do people think conviction equals guilt?
Like no one gets wrongfully convicted. I'm so sick of people thinking that just because they charge someone there must be a reason. UGH. If everyone ever convicted were guilty, I'll cut off my right hand right now.
Duckie
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Guy Fawkes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 09:05 PM
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1. I'm not ignoring you, see!
People think that conviction=guilt because people are stupid. They don't see that guilty people can be let off the hook, and innocent people can be *found* guilty.
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 09:10 PM
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2. Are you talking about being indicted or convicted?
?
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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 09:11 PM
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3. Convicted.
I know in the eyes of the law they're guilty...but in all actuality, it's possible they didn't do it at all and are being railroaded.
Duckie
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 09:22 PM
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5. I agree to a point.
there are cases that there's no doubt someone committed the crime, then there's the suspicious ones where there's a bit of doubt.

I think it's ok to assume guilt in 'most' cases. For those cases where things may come to light after conviction - those are the ones the system must re-address, over and over if they have to, to get it right.

As long as legal solutions are dependent on human beings we will have mistakes and it sucks but we're better than most places.

This issue is a big reason why I don't support the death penalty - there's always that chance...
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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 09:14 PM
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4. And another thing:
how can killing the killer set things right?! Two wrongs don't make a right!! It has never brought back your loved ones! UGH! I'm watching Without a Trace, BTW. And that's what it's about. Of course it's absolutely realistic as this is how people think.
Duckie
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MrSandman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 10:15 PM
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9. Capital punishment is
State sanctioned murder.

If someone commited murder in your hame and you killed them as he/she was leaving, what would that be?

What would it be if the state killed them for you?
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 10:00 PM
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6. The corollary is that not all acquittals are equivalent with innocence.
Just means the prosecutor did not prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt.
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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 10:03 PM
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7. That too.
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Lost147 Donating Member (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 10:10 PM
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8. because...
because the definition of a conviction is to prove someone guilty of a crime or offense. So when the offender is convicted or found GUILTY by a jury of his or her peers they are guilty in the eyes of the law until can be proven otherwise in an appeal or new evidence that proves innocence comes forth. In my opinion if you're found guilty, you're guilty of your crime unless you can prove otherwise, faith in the justice system is essential to maintain order.
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onebigbadwulf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 10:17 PM
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10. Beyond a reasonable doubt?
I get more angry with the fact that innocent people are instantly and permanently defamed for just being CHARGED.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 10:18 PM
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11. I liek what Chris Rock said
"People say don't hire Johny CHochrane cause you look guilty. Yeah. But you go home. WHo cares about looking innocent in jail? I'd rather look guilty at the mall."
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