William Kennedy Smith?

[medeak]

Perhaps missed on DU....any debate on him? Sleeze? Or being taken advantage of?

[blueknight]

1. probably a ...

little of both!

[cal04]

2. I'd say there's more to this story

"Today I am putting William Kennedy Smith on notice. You will not victimize another woman and be able to keep it silent if I can help it," Audra Soulias said at a news conference.

Smith denies the allegations and claims she filed her civil lawsuit only after he refused to pay $3 million. The 43-year-old Kennedy cousin said his "family and personal history have made me unusually vulnerable to these kinds of charges," and he calls the accusations "outrageous, untrue and without merit."

Soulias said the power and money held by Smith's family was what kept her silent for five years, although her lawyer acknowledged that the woman had consensual sex with Smith several times after the encounter. The attorney said such behavior was typical in cases of "acquaintance rape."

http://www.sacbee.com/24hour/nation/story/1601396p-9247986c.html

[shraby]

3. It was on t.v. that she has run

up a lot of bills. One was $91,000. for clothes. Guess she needs to pay them off.

[AngryAmish]

7. She discharged $91k in bankruptcy a few years ago

I have no idea what the deal is here.

[medeak]

4. I vote sleeze

sorry...love the Kennedy's...but recall John Jr. writing article about the "bad boys" in his family.

To me...for him to get away with what he's been doing is not much different from the privileged Bush family (well not that bad) and all their illicit business dealings

[candy]

5. Sleaze!!!!

[Debi]

6. I'm of the innocent until proven guilty variety...

She said he did/he said he didn't

one of them must be telling the truth.

:shrug:

[barb162]

8. cbs, ChicagoTribune ran stories

Some other women at that office have filed EEOC complaints against him. l suspect very strongly he is a sexual predator and keeps getting off because of his money.

[miss_kitty]

9. "....keeps getting off because of his money"

pun intended?

[barb162]

12. actually I caught that too

and decided to leave it as is, what with the subject and all. But the first intent was the serious one. I do think he is a predator. The paper here also mentioned a third case of harassment settled secretly by Patricia Ireland (NOW) for her client, another woman in that office where Kennedy worked.

[miss_kitty]

13. i HATE to believe media hyperbole, since we all know what crap

it can be. i read the money thing the accuser has, and i heard she said there was a rape, which he apologised for on her answering machine, multiple times, then she started DATING him.
so while he MAY be a predator, i don't really want to jump on the 'string him up' bandwagon. not until more stuff is out...even then, the 'reporting' we are treated to leaves a lot to be desired.

i hope they BOTH get help; it sounds like they both need it. and he may want to look into chemical castration, until he can figure out what 'no' means, if that is a problem he is having. just as a selfish measure-keeping himself out of trouble.

but you're right the money probably does get him off, and gets him out of trouble...tee hee

[barb162]

17. Back on the first charge

in Florida several years ago, I believed the woman that he raped her ...maybe I was wrong. She had no proof. This woman in Chicago had gone to the cops and they advised her to not press charges because he could fight it with all that money and they said it would wind up he said/she said. The phone call she was so upset about was not about the rape from a few years ago, but rather he wanted to know what she said to investigators hired by the land mine charity/entity they worked for to investigate the two EEOC complaints from the other two women complaintants against Kennedy Smith. Also this one investigator said that the women in that office had a system where they tried never to be alone with him and things of that sort. The EEOC complaintants were a researcher and a director of a dept.

Yes media can really misportray this stuff, but I have now listened to a few really excellent Chicago reporters from a few different stations and newspapers and I think this guy is a real slug (which is no change from what I thought going way back to that sensational Florida case). But I can be wrong.

Chemical castration is good but if he really is doing this stuff to women, how about a dull butter knife. real dull.

PS I will always have a tendency to believe the victim.

[miss_kitty]

23. yeah on the first one, i was in Norway and all the news was in a

foreign language.

and i try to avoid celeb news. i did not know about the Chicago incident. or the other things you brought up.

and i know that just because a gal needs some money, doesn't mean
1) she'll put herself in harms way to get it;
2) she'd make up a story about rape.

and i gotta say, too it looks like quite a litany of bad behaviour going on. he's either a bad guy or extremely unfortunate...i think it's the former...

[barb162]

24. I googled this story today to see how it was being shown elsewhere

I checked about 3 or 4 sites and what I found was they all said the woman had these large debts, declared bakruptcy or whatever, that she worked for him and continued dating him after she said he raped her, which made her look even flakier" but the non Chicago news didn't mention the other allegations by the other women who were/ are working with Kennedy Smith. Each of the stories I looked at made it seem she was this "fortunehunter" type with a big spending problem. Okay she definitely has/had a spending problem (whoa, nellie!, rip up those credit cards) but I don't know if that is a symptom of what was going on in that office or what.

(I alluded to spending myself to make myself feel better. I had this one job in an office building very close to a really ritzy shopping center. I hated the boss and at lunch I would shop, shop, shop. It really momentarily made me feel better to buy this nice stuff. The diff though is I never ever bought more than I could pay off completely each month. My one check on my spending is I always run a zero credit balance. This lady according to the news made in the mid 20s a year so she was really going hog wild on the spending)

[miss_kitty]

25. hey! i worked at Nordstrom in many different depts on the selling floor

and in the credit office over a ten 10 year period-i know a lot about a shopping jones. i still have a couple pair of killer pumps i bought in Jan 1990 i have not worn. saving 'em. :-)

and you see about the slant? i see them making her look awful, and him not so bad, which is why i don't want to judge (even though my natural proclivity is to side with her).

[miss_kitty]

10. well i don't know if any of the stories are true

but if he were to ask me out, i would probably turn him down...

[Skittles]

11. he is the absolute definition of the word "SMARMY"

couldn't comment on his guilt or innocence

[JanMichael]

14. I was friends with a woman that knew his first rape victim.

Yeah, it was rape.

[barb162]

19. that poor woman!

you know, you try to take these rich guys to court and the woman gets slimed. Primal scream. I am glad you posted this because now it tells me my gut was right back then. I distinctly remember not believing him even though I didn't know him or her or anyone involved.

When you mention: "first rape victim" ...that became public knowledge.

[barb162]

20. that poor woman!

you know, you try to take these rich guys to court and the woman gets slimed. Primal scream. I am glad you posted this because now it tells me my gut was right back then. I distinctly remember not believing him even though I didn't know him or her or anyone involved.

When you mention: "first rape victim" ...who ever came to the public's knowledge.
I wonder how many women have never come forward.

[lil-petunia]

15. first rape trial in 1991

then, the family did a study of what big city had the least amount of rape trial coverage and what issue could redeem his reputation the fastest. A month later he moved to Chicago, where he announced the start of his anti-mine program. Minefields. In Chicago. What a perfect, practical location. I know parts of the south side are rough, but really.

There were a number of complaints to the local EEOC office, of rape, sexual threats, abusive conduct, and demands for sex. Three of his females employees settled their cases (confidentially), and "someone" in the Kennedy clan was required to take classes to prevent similar behavior. Big deal Saturday school for adult predators. I'm sure it made a lasting impression.

According to people who know, there are at least two new EEOC claims pending - the same kind of allegations. Plus, this latest public assault charge, AND another case being negotiated by attorneys, not yet filed. The reason this case got so much attention is because the other active rape case learned of his history and began talking to her about confirming details. Smith's attys tried to put a stop to that, and now his assistant's case was made public.

If enough smoke generally means fire, then I'd say this guy has a raging firestorm in his past, present and future. A person I knew well (who attended med school with him) once quoted him after a long drunk, "I can do what I want. I'm a kennedy. they can never prove anything against me, not even a rape."

Make up your own mind. But there's a LOT of facts hanging around Chi-town. None of them pleasant.

[barb162]

18. OKAY, a really, really dull butter knife.

glad you mentione thtis stuff. I remember when he first came to Chicago on this land mine thing and thinking oh he's trying to rehab his reputation after the big Florida case. It seems this guy needs some heavy duty long term therapy.

[Bluebear]

16. What woman who is raped has sex with him for 5 months afterwards?

I don't want to seem insensitive, but unless he had her locked in some cage, why would she boof him for five months after alleged rape?

[barb162]

22. "boof?

never heard that one.

This woman seemed to present on TV as "fragile" and I know there are a lot of things that happen psychologically when you get raped by anyone, let alone by your boss and the next day you are supposed to show up for work and make him happy. Real low self esteem for starters. Very much like the situations where women get beaten by their husbands but stay with them as their self worth has become so non-existent...these guys literally have beaten them into submission and zero worth. I don't know when her buying "craziness" began but it wouldn't surprise me if she was trying to make herself feel normal through buying sprees. (I have had a personal problem with that myself at times). But I really don't know anything about this woman who made the complaint...just surmising.

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

21. Scum, not sleeze.

Sleeze is embarrased to be associated with shit like him.

How many times does anyone get accused of something like rape? Once? Twice maybe?

What is this for him, 5? or 6?

Come on, cut his fucking raping balls off.


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