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UpsideDownFlag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 09:20 PM Original message |
why i disagree with the idea of "hate crime" laws |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 09:24 PM Response to Original message |
1. No |
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UpsideDownFlag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 09:25 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. i respectfully disagree. |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 09:29 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. But you haven't |
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UpsideDownFlag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 09:32 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. yes. i'll articulate. |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 09:35 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. You missed the point entirely of my earlier post |
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Mr. Blonde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 09:26 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. However, who decides who is committing a hate crime |
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UpsideDownFlag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 09:28 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. i dont have cable. |
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Mr. Blonde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 09:33 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. Then it is interesting that |
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UpsideDownFlag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 09:35 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. that is interesting. |
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Mr. Blonde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 09:41 PM Response to Reply #13 |
22. Everynight at 8:30 |
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kanrok (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 09:24 PM Response to Original message |
2. That is the best articulation against these laws I've heard |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 09:30 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. that's odd |
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kanrok (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 09:43 PM Response to Reply #7 |
25. I'm an ex-prosecutor |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 09:47 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. I'm an ex-Italian major |
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kanrok (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 09:54 PM Response to Reply #30 |
40. Touche. Or is it touchet? |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 10:01 PM Response to Reply #40 |
46. cool |
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kanrok (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 10:12 PM Response to Reply #46 |
56. Yeah, I see your point |
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St. Jarvitude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-01-04 06:44 AM Response to Reply #46 |
95. I always thought it was touchéz... |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-01-04 02:03 PM Response to Reply #95 |
99. nope .... |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 12:40 PM Response to Reply #99 |
103. Oh God. Conjugation. Ugh. |
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HEyHEY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 09:30 PM Response to Original message |
8. A hate crime is a crime committed because someone is different |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 09:33 PM Response to Original message |
10. Hate Crimes Reinforce a Mob Mentality. |
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Rabrrrrrr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 09:33 PM Response to Original message |
12. I agree with you - I am against "hate crimes" as well |
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UpsideDownFlag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 09:36 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. thank you for articulating my argument better than i did. |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 09:36 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. Rabrrrrrr |
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Misunderestimator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 09:42 PM Response to Reply #17 |
24. Mine too... |
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UpsideDownFlag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 09:43 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. i'm sorry that i 'just don't get it'. can we agree to disagree? n/t. |
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Misunderestimator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 09:51 PM Response to Reply #26 |
34. I hate that expression, and no.... we can't... |
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UpsideDownFlag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 09:53 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. well, ok then. |
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Rabrrrrrr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 09:45 PM Response to Reply #17 |
28. I find it unfortunate that you can't like or respect someone with |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 09:49 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. Please read what I've posted previously |
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UpsideDownFlag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 09:51 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. "more evil" i'd like to see a women whose child got killed for his wallet |
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BigMcLargehuge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 09:53 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. yes, and you are missing the point |
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Misunderestimator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 09:57 PM Response to Reply #38 |
43. Thanks for getting it, BMLH... really |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 10:04 PM Response to Reply #38 |
49. That's a great way of putting it |
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BigMcLargehuge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 10:05 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. you said it very well |
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Rabrrrrrr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 10:12 PM Response to Reply #38 |
57. It's certainly meant as a warning to all children who have wallets |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 10:18 PM Response to Reply #57 |
62. Please do me a huge favor |
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Rabrrrrrr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 10:29 PM Response to Reply #62 |
69. Do ME a huge favor |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 10:38 PM Response to Reply #69 |
75. OK |
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Rabrrrrrr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 10:42 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. Well, all I can do is speak the truth as I see it |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 10:47 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. have you EVER heard |
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Rabrrrrrr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 11:01 PM Response to Reply #79 |
86. No, I haven't ever heard of that proposal |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 11:09 PM Response to Reply #86 |
90. OK |
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Susang (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 11:28 PM Response to Reply #62 |
92. If you could do me a favor Dookus |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-01-04 02:05 PM Response to Reply #92 |
100. So sorry... |
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Susang (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-01-04 02:15 PM Response to Reply #100 |
101. No problem |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-01-04 12:51 PM Response to Reply #38 |
98. Exactly |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 09:57 PM Response to Reply #35 |
42. No i can't |
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UpsideDownFlag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 09:59 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. ...ok, this is something i need to think more about. |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 10:03 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. thanks |
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BigMcLargehuge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 10:04 PM Response to Reply #44 |
50. and a thanks from me too |
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UpsideDownFlag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 10:06 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. no problem...i honestly had only considered it from what is apparently |
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BigMcLargehuge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 10:08 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. the fact that you were able to see the larger issue and reasoning |
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UpsideDownFlag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 10:16 PM Response to Reply #54 |
60. thanks. now for something entirely different, who's that in your avatar? |
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BigMcLargehuge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 10:19 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. Toshiro Mifune from the movie Sanjuro |
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UpsideDownFlag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 10:24 PM Original message |
i've been told that he's a major badass. |
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BigMcLargehuge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 10:31 PM Response to Original message |
70. well... less so now as he's dead |
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Rabrrrrrr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 10:09 PM Response to Reply #32 |
55. So if you steal from someone richer than you, just because they're |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 10:13 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. Please, Rabrrrrrr |
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Rabrrrrrr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 10:16 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. I think if you read my post, you'll see that I answered that question |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 10:29 PM Response to Reply #59 |
68. I did read your original post |
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Rabrrrrrr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 10:34 PM Response to Reply #68 |
73. I do think it's a big lie |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 10:41 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. ciao, rabrrrrrr |
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Rabrrrrrr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 10:47 PM Response to Reply #76 |
80. Is that equivalent to (though not as serious as) a hate crime? |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 10:57 PM Response to Reply #80 |
83. you are simply not acknowledging what we're saying here |
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BigMcLargehuge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 10:17 PM Response to Reply #55 |
61. you're mistaking what "equal" means in this context |
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BlueJazz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 09:35 PM Response to Original message |
14. I think you've got a decent point. |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 09:37 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. evidently |
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UpsideDownFlag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 09:40 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. if you treat equally as other crimes, then helps minimize the damage done |
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BlueJazz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 09:51 PM Response to Reply #18 |
37. I understand what you're saying .. |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 10:07 PM Response to Reply #37 |
53. cool... |
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BlueJazz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 10:21 PM Response to Reply #53 |
65. Yes..I have re-examined my position.. |
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BigMcLargehuge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 09:39 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. the point is, if you beat a guy up SOLELY because he's gay |
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Mr. Blonde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 09:42 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. But won't a DA try for the hate crime penalty? |
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BigMcLargehuge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 09:45 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. and if the evidence played out that you (the beater) were very |
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Mr. Blonde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 09:46 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. So someone who hasn't acted on it before |
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BigMcLargehuge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 09:48 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. yes |
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Mr. Blonde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 09:50 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Good thing I'm a lover not a fighter than I guess |
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BigMcLargehuge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 09:51 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. we are all products of our environments |
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BlueJazz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 10:00 PM Response to Reply #33 |
45. Ha!..Don't feel alone..I use Gay to mean carefree and Happy. |
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BigMcLargehuge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 10:02 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. the point is, language wouldn't be that big a consideration |
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JohnKleeb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-01-04 05:16 AM Response to Reply #19 |
94. Dude youre making good sense to me |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 09:40 PM Response to Original message |
20. Further, Hate Crimes also have negative mental consequences as well as |
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Dastard Stepchild (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 09:56 PM Response to Original message |
41. I do believe it to be a special kind of crime... |
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miss_kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 10:19 PM Response to Original message |
64. JibJab, my extremely intellgent friend in california |
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BigMcLargehuge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 10:21 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. the point is... |
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miss_kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 10:31 PM Response to Reply #66 |
71. like i said i have ambivelence about this issue |
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BigMcLargehuge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 10:33 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. because in the first case they are going after a black guy |
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miss_kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 10:48 PM Response to Reply #72 |
81. so beating a wimpy guy because you ABSOLUTEY DESPISE AND HATE |
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BigMcLargehuge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 10:51 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. because the guys these laws were meant to prosecute |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 11:00 PM Response to Reply #81 |
84. Deleted message |
Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 10:24 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. ALL crimes are perceived as different depending on motive |
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miss_kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 10:43 PM Response to Reply #67 |
78. i don't think i was clear |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 11:05 PM Response to Reply #78 |
87. read the whole thread |
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UpsideDownFlag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 10:35 PM Response to Reply #64 |
74. the process of talking in this thread has made me think differently |
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anti_shrub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 11:01 PM Response to Original message |
85. The only thing that bothers me |
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Rabrrrrrr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 11:08 PM Response to Reply #85 |
88. Prithee, don thee thine asbestos leotards and breeches |
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anti_shrub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 11:11 PM Response to Reply #88 |
91. Hopefully I explained myself properly |
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Dastard Stepchild (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-01-04 12:19 PM Response to Reply #85 |
96. I agree with your assessment that humanity can be hypocritical... |
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FDRrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-31-04 11:09 PM Response to Original message |
89. It depends on how its prosecuted... |
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bookfreak (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-01-04 04:59 AM Response to Original message |
93. There is a difference though |
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Blayde Starrfyre (428 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-01-04 12:45 PM Response to Original message |
97. People who commit hate crimes are more dangerous |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
102. Shouldn't this be in GD or somewhere else? The lounge is for fun |
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skygazer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-02-04 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
104. This is a very interesting thread |
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