My father bought a Prius :-), and is voting for Bush :-(

[Pale Blue Dot]

My father is a huge envronmentalist, but after our talk tonight, I realize that he is (in his words) voting for the devil he knows rather than the devil he doesn't know. He doesn't feel that Kerry has said anything, and he really faults his vote for the Iraq resolution (even though it was Bush that wanted the ^*%*$X# thing).

I may never be able to get him to vote for Kerry. But he DID say he might vote for Nader (:wtf:). I am printing out Kerry's voting record on the environment as we speak. Other suggestions?

I have seven weeks to keep him from making a stupid mistake in a swing state.

[Lukymom]

1. Well, You have to introduce you dad to the unknown guy!

:-)

[JohnKleeb]

2. a huge environmentalist supporting Bush?

jeez, what does he think of the LCV? they endorsed Kerry early on and he has a lifetime record of 92 from them. Jeez man, that sucks. He says hes gonna vote for Bush but might vote for Nader, speaking of Nader, I finally got to hear him speak today in his acceptance speech, wasnt pretty I must say, I got so damn mad. Good luck trying to get him to vote for a great dem, Kerry.

[salib]

19. Sorta like being a Gay Republican?

[JohnKleeb]

21. almost yeah

environmental issues and the GOP are like pork chops and cucumber salad :D.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

3. Tell him about Kerry's plan for alternative energy. n/t

[cally]

4. Remind him that a small business owner

can buy a SUV and take up to $100,000 off of their taxes. If they buy a Prius they can only take about $2000 off. Bush/Cheney energy policy really makes sense...not.

[Pale Blue Dot]

14. My mother mentioned the $2000 tonight!

That's a good one! Thanks!

[dennis4868]

5. Do the research for your dad....

and he will see that Kerry has been one of the strongest senators when it comes to pro-environment legislation.....it's a fact!

[kikiek]

6. Don't forget the flip flops. I can't believe he would vote Bush and be

a huge environmentalist. It's like an oxymoron.

[Sandpiper]

7. If your father's an environmentalist

How could he even think about voting for Bush?

This the Bush adminstration environmental agenda in a nutshell:

-roll back regulations on industrial pollution

-open national forests for logging

-open national parks for oil drilling

[Pale Blue Dot]

15. I agree. I have 7 weeks to convince him.

Thanks!

[Sandpiper]

17. A couple of things for you

To show your Dad

Sierra Club endorsement of John Kerry for President:

http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/releases/pr_2004_0511c.html


Sierra Club scorecard of Bush's environmental record:

http://www.sierraclub.org/wwatch/

[Sandpiper]

18. Oops

double post

[Deja Q]

8. Better to have him vote for Nader if he won't vote Kerry

It's better to have a republican ditch the party in favor of Nadir instead of a Dem, though it'd still be best if Kerry got the vote.

[Pale Blue Dot]

16. I agree. Thanks!

[mitchum]

9. No offense to you, but your dad is full of shit

You must take after your mom :)

[Pale Blue Dot]

22. I do, actually.

:-)

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

10. If your dad is an environmentalist, here's how I would go about it:

Kerry has about the best environmental record of any senator ever..one of the highest scores.

He is well aware of the fact that our current global crisis is due to our dependence on foreign oil. Many oil companies will say "but if America doesn't buy that oil, someone will!." That is not true...it is only true for countries whose economies are OIL BASED!

Bush has the WORST environmental record of any modern day president.

Kerry has stated that we are lacking DIPLOMACY in our foreign policy..he is correct...North Korea is a threat and Iran does not seem to be too concerned with us...why? Ask your father given the current mess in Iraq if he believes we can win a war in Afghanistan (where Al Queda is now STRONGER) Iraq, Iran AND NOrth Korea? What if China decides to mess with us after we have committed ourselves to even more? Does he really want to take that risk? Don't those two oceans around us look a bit smaller now?

[Pale Blue Dot]

24. Thanks NSMA.

I did mention some of these things, and I feel almost certain I can convert his Bush vote to a Nader vote. The challenge will be making him vote Kerry. This will help. :-)

[gratuitous]

11. As you said, you have seven weeks

Just keep pointing out the flaws in his thinking for supporting Bush. I don't suppose he's a complete idiot, so keep working on him. It will be a fine day when he says, "You know, you're right. Bush really isn't the man I took him for. Kerry would do a superior job in just about every way I can think of."

[Redneck Socialist]

12. These links might help

You can get daily updates on bushco's crimes against the environment here http://www.bushgreenwatch.org/ and these guys http://www.lcv.org/ have a ton of info on both Kerry's and bush's environmental records.

If he considers himself an environmentalist he should be pretty easy to persuade to vote for Kerry.

[w4rma]

13. Has your dad even bothered to try to research Sen. Kerry? Kerry's website

has all of his positions explained in detail. In much more detail than big media will allow them explained.

Imho, you should take your dad to your computer and browse Kerry's campaign website with him for about 30mins or so:

http://www.johnkerry.com/

In particular, browse through the text of Sen. Kerry's speeches, that big media usually talk over while he gives them.

[JohnnyRingo]

20. On election day call and tell him you're on the way to the hospital....

Don't tell him which one....then hang up.
Call after the polls close and tell him you're OK now.

That sounds mean, but he won't make a serious voting mistake and he WILL be getting great milage.

[Pale Blue Dot]

23. LOL Johnny.

I think I'll try the honest approach first. I'll keep this in mind, though. :thumbsup:

[Pale Blue Dot]

25. I think I got him.

I printed out Kerry and Bush's environmental records from the Sierra Club website. When I showed then to my dad he said, "Yeah, but Kerry's going to vote the same way when he gets into office." SO I said, "So you're going to vote for the guy who's PROVEN to be terrible on the environment vs. the guy who's got the best voting record on the environment in the Senate, becuase you think he's no different?"

His response? "Yeah, well..."

Seven weeks? I've GOT him.

[nini]

26. Have fun....

gives you something to keep you distracted eh? you hooker you! :evilgrin:

I want a Prius but they've hiked the prices up on them - hopefully they'll level off again.

[Pale Blue Dot]

30. Hey, when you've got it, charge for it!

:D

Thanks, nini. :-)

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

27. Ay-yi-yi

get Kerry's plans for different issues that you think your dad cares about off his website. Boil them down to the major points in a MS word document (it's easy if you cut and paste).

Then get bush's record and plans for the environment (LOL) off his website and other sources. Show him THAT shit.

Does he KNOW about what bush has done to the environment??? If he cares so much about the environment he wouldn't dare vote bush.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

28. BTW Finnfann this has been bothering me

who is that in your avatar? Is it you???

[Pale Blue Dot]

29. No, it's Neil Finn

Singer/songwriter extrodinaire, and my namesake. :-)

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

31. Oh Crowded House???

If that's the same guy, when I was a junior in high school, guys used to go around and just spontaneously break out into "hey now, HEY now...don't DREAM it's over..." in the hallways of my school.

(Weird kids. It was the 80s, what can I say?)

I like him.

On edit, I kinda thought your name meant you were a fan of the mythical Irish giant, Finn McCool.

[Pale Blue Dot]

33. Yeah, that's him.

BTW, Finn McCool is a new one, but people constantly think I'm a Miami Dolphins fan, which couldn't be further from the truth.

[JohnKleeb]

32. doesnt that guy have a brother named Tim?

I swear to you my dad listens to that guy.

[Pale Blue Dot]

34. Your dad is cool!

Ask your dad if he has the new Finn Brothers CD, Everyone is Here. If not, he should get it, it's brilliant. And you should get it too.

Be sure to tell your dad how cool he is. :-)

[JohnKleeb]

35. heh he's weird

Meand my brothers were trying to convince him that an artist he was listening to, a guy named Ron Sexsmith made up his name but then again he believes some of my wacky theories.

[Pale Blue Dot]

36. Ron Sexsmith is cool!

You could learn a lot from your dad!

[JohnKleeb]

37. my dad is the one who got me on the beatles

He has some interesting tastes and about my conspriacy theories, check out my thread, and I am so not bullshitting about what I said. heh just wondering, my dad is goofy and likes to write his own songs, you do the same?

[Pale Blue Dot]

40. Crap!

LOL, yeah... :D

[JohnKleeb]

42. lol my dad is such a lameass

dude youre a lot like my dad, I gotta find out if he had a long lost brother ;).

[mairceridwen]

38. Did you go...

to the league of conservation voters?

they rate politicians on their voting records for the environment. it's based totally on voting records. Kerry gets a 92%.

And of course, Bush has never seen a resource he didn't want to extract (okay, got that from my mr. mair)

It's non-partisan so even moderate repubicans (another endnangered species under the bush admin) get props when they vote in favor of environmental legislation.

[Pale Blue Dot]

41. Cool! I'll add that to the onslaught!

Thanks!

[Jade Fox]

39. Point out how many others bought the Bush lies and voted for the Iraq

war. Also, did he see Kerry's speech at the Convention? It blew me away.
If he hasn't, maybe you could get him a copy to watch.

Also, research Bush's environmental record for him. Good luck!

[lojasmo]

43. He should have bought a VW TDI

And he should vote for Nader, or better yet, Cob.

[LynneSin]

44. Pat, you want to borrow my Outfoxed DVD?

Seriously - make him watch it and if he still wants to vote for Bush then I'll talk to my mom about adopting you. Her and my stepdad are republicans and even they are voting for Kerry.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

45. A gift for dad from LBN

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x825181