Patti Smith nominated for Rock and Roll Hall of Fame!

[tigereye]

yeah! Also Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five, The Pretenders, The Sex Pistols, the Stooges, and Wanda Jackson, to name a few.

[soothsayer]

1. That's great!

She's one of a kind.

[tigereye]

8. It will be great to see her in one of the films they show there

very exciting. Hopefully she won't take too long to get in.

[Coventina]

2. Good nominees all!!

I guess this makes me old now, since these artists (besides Wanda Jackson) were part of my youth.

[JimmyJazz]

4. that goes ditto for me, too

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

3. Grandmaster - CUT FASTER!!!!

Man - the Message is one of the best songs EVER!!!

[benburch]

5. An Amazing Musician!

[tigereye]

10. nice picture

I love Patti. She is amazing.

[Kolesar]

6. She was great, but I don't think Patti Smith had that much impact

She quit her music career early and went back to Michigan to be a mom.

[DBoon]

7. She was the Godmother of punk!

She was a key figure in the New York CBGB's scene wherer it all started

[stevedeshazer]

9. She's back

[tigereye]

11. well she did come back on the road

and gives amazing shows. She also inspired a lot of people and continues to do so. Her shows are excellent!

[NashVegas]

23. And That Was One of the Greatest Things She Did

Patti turned her back on this whore house of an industry, because she wanted to make sure her kids had a solid grounding in things that mattered and a stable home.

That, too, was a deed to learn from.

[redqueen]

12. Yay!

This confirms it. I am old.

[tigereye]

13. it is funny - that seems to be the most comon reaction

to the nominations of all our faves from college days. We aren't old, just wise and experienced. Or how about "seasoned"? ;)

[mumon]

14. She gave the best political speech I ever heard...

http://www.louisville.edu/a-s/english/subcultures/ideas/chriscarter/babelogue.html


I haven't fucked with the past but I've fucked plenty with the future. over the silk of skin are scars from the splinters of stages and walls i've caressed. each bolt of wood, like the log of helen was my pleasure. i would measure the success of a night by the amount of piss and seed i could exude over the columns that nestled the p/a. some nights i'd surprise everybody by snapping on a skirt of green over with flat metallic circles which dangled and flashed. the lights were violet and white. for a while i had an ornamental veil. but i couldn't bear to use it. when my hair was cropped it craved covering. but now my hair itself is a veil and the scalp of a crazy and sleepy comanche lies beneath the netting of skin.

i wake up. i am lying peacefully and my knees are open to the sun. i desire him and he is absolutely ready to serve me. in house i am moslem. in heart i am an american artist and i have no guilt. i seek pleasure. i seek the nerves under your skin. the narrow archway, the layers, the scroll of ancient lettuce. we worship the flaw, the mole on the belly of an exquisite whore. one who has not sold her soul to god.

[tigereye]

15. she is a bit of political raconteur, poetess, high priestess,

visionary, mystic and rock and roller. What a cool woman!

[Seeking Serenity]

16. No Todd Rundgren?!? WTF???

:mad: :nuke:

[tigereye]

17. this is the whole list

ZZ Top
George Harrison
Prince
The Sex Pistols
Black Sabbath
Bob Seger
The Stooges
John Mellancamp
Jackson Browne
Lynard Skynrd
The Dell's
Patti Smith
Gram Parsons

but I guess you are right. My brother is still pissed that there is no nod for Alice Cooper.

[asthmaticeog]

18. I've said it before, but

Smith, the Stooges and the Pistols will not get in this year, but J. Geils will. Remember a few years back when the Velvet Underground didn't get in but the Bee Gees did? The induction voters have their heads so far up their asses they could crawl back out of their own mouths.

[tigereye]

19. who are the voters, anyway?

[asthmaticeog]

20. here:

http://www.rockhall.com/museum/visitor.asp?id=654

They almost never name names, but it's basically a cabal of Baby-boomer corporate-rock industry heavyweights led by Jann Wenner, which is why James Taylor is in but Black Sabbath never will be.

[RandomKoolzip]

21. If you haven't read "Rock and the Pop Narcotic," you have to.

So sayeth Joe Carducci: "When you read what passes for official rock history, you are reading the opinions of Jann Wenner and his friends."

FUCK ROLLING STONE! They did more to discourage listeners to seek out new, interesting music than anything else in the last thirty years.

The fact that they are now choosing who gets into the "Hall of Fame" (blow me, Jann) is more proof that the SST class of '84 (Flag, Minutemen, Du, SacTrust, et al.) won't be inducted. Fuck these clowns.

[asthmaticeog]

22. HELLS YEAH, Koolzip!

Not only have I read it, I've bought four copies (two of the first ed., two of the revised) because people who borrowed it from me never would give it back. It's now out of print and therefore on permanent non-lending status. I was hipped to it by the editor of an underground rag I was writing for, who told me that since I like Saccharine Trust so much, I should read Carducci.

[RandomKoolzip]

25. Okay, that makes 2 DUers who've read the damn thing.

I'll never stop proseltyzing about it. I don't care how much liberal-bashing he indulges in, he gets the music part of the book ("The Psychozoic Hymnal") EXACTLY RIGHT. (markses was the only other DUer I know who's read it; he thought ot was "okay.")

Do you have the first edition? I've been trying to find copies of that. I have copy of the second edition, held together with masking tape and most of the index is gone (excessive reading/carrying in backpack).

Fucking brilliant.

[asthmaticeog]

29. Sorry,

both of my 1st editions are goners. One never came back from my then-band's drummer (who actually liked Jellyfish and Carnval Art, so I decided he was in dire need of a conversion experience), and I gave its replacement away when the 2nd ed. came out.

The liberal-bashing doesn't even bother me -- some of the stuff in the first section about how many artists feel the need to "genuflect at lib-left altars" in order to feel justified (or less gulity) in doing something as seemingly "decadent" as making art was dead on target.

Also, I found the "Depeche Gerbil" type remarks really fucking funny.

[RandomKoolzip]

33. Hey! I like Jellyfish, too!

There's nothing wrong with Jellyfish, unless you're one of those people who objects to overt melodicism on principle.

And I've never heard of Carnival Art.

I was re-reading "R+PN" last night before I went to sleep. A lot of the lib-bashing IS accurate (I do my own saber-rattling at white male PC guilt, too), but after so much RW crap we've been through in the last four years and the encroaching hegemony of the Right, the constant attacks on liberal shibboleths don't come off as refreshing as they must have during the early 90's, when the "identity politics" campaign being waged on the left was getting to be a bit overbearing. And I DO get tired of the right insisting that all leftist philosophy and economic stance flows from Communism. It doesn't. The oppressed and the well-meaning have always struggled against the state and the keepers of the gold, even if it wasn't in concert.

I DO like his reflexive Euro-bashing though. Carducci's critique of "Lipstick Traces" is hilarious. And yeah, the, uh..."gerbil" stuff makes me giggle, too.

I suspect Vincent Gallo has read this book, too, seeing as his stance in interviews these days strikes the same RW absurdist, contrarian-for-the-hell-of-it tone.

[asthmaticeog]

34. Objecting to melodicism

I was definitely like that back then - if it wasn't aggressive, I didn't want to hear about it. The AmRep years were like manna to me.

I've mellowed since.

[tigereye]

36. well I have learned something new

how did I miss this book? I always learn from your posts RKZ - and this one is wonderfully articulated, as well. Thank you. Where would one find this... I will have to send my hubby on a search for it. Maybe in the bowels of some funky used book store, eh?

[RandomKoolzip]

38. It's out of print, unfortunately.

Henry Rollins's publishing organ, 2.13.61, put out the second edition in 1994. The first edition dates to 1990.... Both are out of print, unless you can somehow score a copy on ebay or through Amazon, maybe. Or some really REALLy hip record/bookstore.

Great book, but not for the easily offended; I got very pissed off the first time I read it.

[NashVegas]

24. Didn't You See What Was Going On

When they had Elton John - Elton fucking JOHN - induct Elvis Costello, instead of a young'un, the way they normally do it?

[RandomKoolzip]

26. Yeah, but what young songwriter can be said to be the heir of Costello

would RS/Hall of Shame judges allow? Dave Matthews? I would have settled for Norah Jones, but really James Mercer of the Shins or Doug Martsch or Geoff Farina would have been perfect. Too bad RS narrowcasts their net so badly.

[NashVegas]

35. Fair

Some might say Ron Sexsmith, but he's not famous enough to be a presenter.

[AntiCoup2K4]

27. U2 - voted in in their first year of eligibility!

Not like that's a surprise. :)

Still a little disappointed that Van Halen isn't in yet, but that's Eddie's fault for turning the band into a goddamned soap opera (and bringing back the Ched Rocker sure didn't help matters)

Good to see Patti Smith, the Stooges, and the Pistols getting their due.

[AntiCoup2K4]

28. OK, to end the confusion, here's the OFFICIAL list of nominees

taken directly from www.rockthehall.com

BREAKING NEWS!!

Friday 10th September, 2004 - Rock Hall of Fame Announces Finalists

Here are the 15 finalists for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's Class of 2005:

Lynyrd Skynyrd
U2
J. Geils Band
Sex Pistols
Patti Smith
The Stooges
The Pretenders
Randy Newman
Gram Parsons
Buddy Guy
Conway Twitty
The O'Jays
Percy Sledge
Wanda Jackson
Grandmaster Flash & the Furious Five

Ballots were mailed to voters this week and are due back at the Hall of Fame Foundation headquarters by Oct. 8. Inductees are normally announced in November.

Between 5 - 8 of the above artists will be selected, and inducted into the Rock Hall's Class of 2005 (the RRHOF's 20th Class). Ceremonies will take place in March at the Waldorf-Astoria in New York

My predictions for the final 8:

U2
J. Geils Band
Sex Pistols
Patti Smith
The Stooges
Buddy Guy
Conway Twitty
Grandmaster Flash & the Furious Five

Lynyrd Skynyrd will probably be excluded because "little brother and the tribute band" have soiled the name of the true Skynyrd with their continuous exploitation tours, and worse yet, recent appearance at the BushFest in NYC.

[asthmaticeog]

30. I'll bet a million dollars

that Randy Newman and Skynyrd get in. Remember, this is a self-validating nostalgia blast for culturally-irrelevant (but still powerful) boomers. The stuff about "enduring influence" is shown as a lie in the face of the ease with which massively popular though totally non-influential '70s artists get in when inarguably influential bands with lower sales figures (or bad contemporary reviews in RS) get passed over every freakin' year.

The only white artists this year who will get in and deserve to will be Gram Parsons, Conway Twitty and U2. Black artists are always a tossup, but my money's on Percy Sledge & Grandmaster Flash.

[Zensea]

32. in terms of changing the face of rock n roll

they damn well better induct Gram Parsons.

Just my opinion.

[JimmyJazz]

31. Go Sex Pistols!!!!!!!

God, what an absolutely fantastic way to scare the bejesus out of parents in 1978. My mother is still in therapy over the song "Anarchy in the UK" (My husband and I are afraid that in order to rebel against us, our children will register Republican!)

[tigereye]

37. you sound like me

our kid hears The Ramones, Capt. Beefheart and Tuvan throat singing, and lately the Mr. T Experience, all the time. It will be interesting when the offspring are older and we see what they are into! And welcome, if you haven't already been, 101er. :hi:

[JimmyJazz]

39. Our local cuper market pipes in 80s music

and one day, my six year old starts shouting, "Mommy, Mommy, that's BIG AUDIO DYNAMITE!" She was right, too. Brought a tear to my eye, I tell ya.

No Barney or Wiggles in this family: No my kids love the Pogues!!!

[tigereye]

40. there you go!