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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 05:25 PM
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Can a woman rape a man?
I got into a heated conversation with some gals at work.

I don't see how it's possible. They disagree.

What do you guys think?
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rene moon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 05:26 PM
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1. I dont know
Edited on Tue Sep-21-04 05:27 PM by rene moon
Is it possible? I think so but not sure how. I'll have to come back to you with some more thought.
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 05:26 PM
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2. Ever wonder why witches...
... are always portrayed riding broomsticks? :P
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 05:27 PM
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5. I'll get you, my little pretty!!!!
:D
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 08:22 PM
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45. Here You Go!
http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a990903.html

There, in a nutshell, is the working hypothesis of Michael J. Harner's "The Role of Hallucinogenic Plants in European Witchcraft" in Hallucinogens and Shamanism (1973). Harner notes that since antiquity many hallucinogenic plants have been known throughout the world, including some species of the potato family (family Solanaceae, genus Datura) such as jimsonweed, devil's-weed, mad apple, etc., as well as potato cousins like mandrake, henbane, and belladonna (deadly nightshade).

Trolling through the works of medieval and Renaissance writers, Harner finds a number of instances in which witchy hallucinations follow a potent hit of drugs. How were these drugs administered? Typically in the form of an ointment. Where was this ointment applied? To the skin, of course, but more effectively to the mucous membranes. Where can one find mucous membranes? In the vagina, among other places. How would one apply ointment to one's vagina? Well, one can always count on one's fingers, I suppose. But you could also use, uh, a pole. And where might one find a pole in the average peasant household? A broomstick. Bingo.

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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 05:27 PM
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3. Yes, it can happen
the penis can respond absent any desire on the part of its owner.
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 05:47 PM
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20. Bingo
You said it
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stinkeefresh Donating Member (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:01 PM
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26. good friend of mine in college
had a woman in his room- a friend. she wanted to screw. He DIDN'T and made that very clear. They fell asleep in his bed and he awoke the next morning to her riding on top of him- full penetration. (morning woody, of course)

He freaked and rolled her off him. They argued and she left.

Rape?
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:18 PM
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30. Yep. He was raped.
It was against his will.
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 07:12 PM
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40. Holy crap. I'm a rape victim.
I didn't know.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 07:25 PM
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43. No, you're a rape survivor.
Empowerment words are neccessary
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 07:34 PM
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44. Thanks.
This is kind of blowing my mind right now.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 08:42 PM
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48. Probably shouldn't have slept in the same bed as her then.
Mixed messages.
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 05:27 PM
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4. Sure
It's about power and sex, and both genders enjoy those in their own way. Would a woman rape a man in the same way as a man would rape a woman? Nope. Is it as likely? I'd say no. Is it possible? Sure.
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MsUnderstood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 05:27 PM
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6. Of course
just because a man is physically aroused, doesn't mean he is emotionally wanting the experience.

Using your logic (my assumption of your logic I mean) that because the person appears sexually ready, then it isn't rape, you would have to disregard any charges of statutory rape (sex with a minor) or any charges where the woman became pregnant, or any charges where the woman was married to the man.

Rape IS NOT ABOUT SEX it is about power. And women can weild power just as well as a man.
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rene moon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 05:29 PM
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12. Thank you!
You summed up my thoughts about this subject.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 05:28 PM
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7. Of course
there are also different ways to rape a person that may not involve an erection.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 05:29 PM
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10. never thought about that..................
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 05:28 PM
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8. When I was going through a serious "riot grrrl" phase in college...
I remember having a conversation about sexism with my mother, who INSISTED that women can rape men. I laughed and asked her how it was physically possible.

She backed off and said, "well, maybe they can't....but they manipulate men to get their way by using sex!"

"Still a far cry from rape, mom."
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 05:28 PM
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9. What dookus said plus...
they can always use an implement. I've heard horrible stories of both men and women being raped with broom handles and broken bottles. (owie) :cry:
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 05:29 PM
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11. Rape is about domination and control.
It is NEVER about sex.
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slor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 05:30 PM
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13. Of course...
there is an island in the South Pacific, I believe, where it happens often. And I am happy to say I have never been the victim of such a crime, I have always been a willing participant!
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 05:30 PM
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14. yes
It is VERY, VERY rare! There have been stats that have addressed this. However, most men would never report being a victim of rape when the attacker was a woman or women. Rape is a crime of violence, not sex. A woman could force a man to perform oral sex (on her), she could force blood into the penis and use it, or could penetrate the man orally or anally with a foreign object. So, in a long-winded way, yes a woman can rape a man, it is just very rare!
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 05:30 PM
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15. Yes
easily.
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liontamer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 05:34 PM
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16. yes
in many ways
a)not all sex is penis in vagina missionary style.
b)sex with someone incapable of giving consent is rape
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 05:37 PM
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17. Yes.
Wonder why your co-workers are so clueless.
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Chovexani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 05:45 PM
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18. It's very possible.
It happened to a male acquaintance of mine in high school. Everyone upthread has made good points upthread about rape being about power, etc. But I would also add that male rape survivors have an even harder time of it because so few people think it's possible. My friend had a very hard time finding counseling after his assault because no one believed him, and he couldn't very well go to a women's support group for obvious (and well-founded) reasons.

They deal with the issues female rape survivors experience (the guilt, the shame, etc.) but more so because of the erection factor. It's possible to have physical reactions while experiencing rape, even some women experience this, and it's all very confusing. It adds whole new layers to the "it's my fault" guilt trip we put on ourselves.

I just wish people of both genders who are survivors of rape and all kinds of sexual abuse could feel more comfortable in coming forward with their stories and seeking help. I never told anyone my story until the recent thread someone started on DU for survivors. It's terrible enough to go through something like that, but it's an even worse crime that our society is so judgmental and almost abuses them a second time.
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Pithlet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 05:46 PM
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19. It probably happens more than we know
because often men are unwilling to report it, especially if it is a woman because of the misconception that it isn't possible.
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Screaming Lord Byron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 05:48 PM
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21. Of course. Physically it could be done with a strap-on anally.
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 05:48 PM
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22. Ask Lyndie England's victims...
how they feel about the subject.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:04 PM
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27. Rape is the last thing that comes to mind
when I think about what she did to those people.
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:05 PM
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28. Really?
When I see somebody forcing others to commit sexual acts against their will "rape" is the first thing that springs to my mind.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:23 PM
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31. You're right...she would be considered the rapist
I never really thought about that before. Interesting. Sick, but interesting.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:44 PM
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35. Same here.............
I never, ever thought about that.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 05:52 PM
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23. ofcourse they can
Edited on Tue Sep-21-04 05:55 PM by lionesspriyanka
especially with significant age differences etc.

and just arousal of a man does not mean that he cant be raped....or that he wants sex....following the logic that men often cant get erections when they certainly do want sex...its not always indicitive of arousal or desire



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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 05:58 PM
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24. she could tie me up, strap one on, and "sodomize' me
and that might be against my wishs! therefore rape!! :P :hi:
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 05:59 PM
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25. Yes.
And there are women pedophiles who rape young boys, too.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:17 PM
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29. Yep
Erection doesn't always have to mean a man wants sex. Stimulation can cause an erection even when he doesn't want to engage in intercourse. I imagine it's difficult, but technically it's possible.

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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:36 PM
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32. I was assaulted at age 15. In church. By a girl. Age 15.
Didn't get all the way, thank goodness. But it was traumatizing, and in th 'House of God' no less. x(

A year later, it became clear that she got her jiggies from some other guy: She gave birth to Calvin J. (not saying surname.)
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Nikia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:36 PM
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33. Is it rape to take advantage of a drunken man?
I remember discussing this one. The female leader told us that it was rape if a man has sex with a very drunk woman, even if she consents at the time. The leaser didn't seem to understand the question if it was rape for a sober or near sober woman to have sex with a very drunken male. That sort of thing has happened to a couple guys who I know. It seems that these and many other men don't consider these incidences rape, but bad judgement. Personally, I get defensive and in a bad modd if I am more than a little drunk. A man, including my husband, would be less likely to get me to have sex with him if I were drunk than if I were sober. I guess some people are the opposite though.
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:47 PM
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37. Yes, b/c of impaired consent
Drunk means impaired consent, and if the man cannot give consent, technically it could be rape.
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-..__... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:42 PM
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34. New York Preppie Murder
Robert Chambers. Didn't he claim he was raped?
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 08:42 PM
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47. I thought he claimed that she liked "rough sex" so that's why
the girl was bruised and battered, in addition to his having raped her and killed her.

Nobody believed his sorry ass.

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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:44 PM
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36. Hell YEAH! n/t
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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:53 PM
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38. Yes....And it's not as rare as you think.
Men get aroused for reasons beyond their control. And it is possible for them to even come while they are getting raped. Some women have experienced orgasms while being raped. Sometimes things happen to our bodies that are beyond our control.
Duckie
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BonjourUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 07:12 PM
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39. It's possible...
if the man has a priapism :-)
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aeolian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 07:15 PM
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41. my guess is yes. evidence:
Edited on Tue Sep-21-04 07:16 PM by aeolian
search google for "Miss Georgia Sex Offender".

From the number of women conviced for "aggravated sodomy" or something along those lines ( PH34R!), I'd say the answer is a definate "yes".

*hides under his desk*


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Maleficus Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 07:25 PM
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42. Of course.
If the man is drunk and she isn't, she can take advantage of it and rape him w/o his consent.

It's happened before.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 08:25 PM
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46. It happened to a friend of mine
He was very drunk and basically imobile, but he was a teenager so he still got it up after she played with it for a bit, he said no but she still "did" him.
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 08:44 PM
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49. poop
Edited on Tue Sep-21-04 09:08 PM by ZombyWoof
lol
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 08:51 PM
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50. awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
big brother

:loveya:
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