Meanwhile, a lively discussion at GD2004 about Woody Allen.

[terrya]

That one is getting a bit heated.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=857885&mesg_id=857885

[jonnyblitz]

1. yes.

catwoman doesn't like him apparently. :P

[CatWoman]

6. *grr*

:D

[jonnyblitz]

9. ..

:hug:

[CatWoman]

10. awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

:D

[jonnyblitz]

24. just don't hate me because I LOVE 'Deconstructing Harry"

:crazy:

[el_gato]

36. But Woody is more evil than Bush, Ashcroft, Satan, and Hitler all in one.

didn't you get the memo?

How dare he criticize busholini il supremo!!

[CatWoman]

38. ah, just like chewing gum stuck on my shoe

[el_gato]

42. I wasn't talking to you and I'm not interested in talking to you

So quit obsessing over the fact that someone disagreed with you.
It's less healthy than obsessing over the personal lives of people you don't even know.

[CatWoman]

44. TRUTH BE DEMAND,

DAMMIT!!!!!!

[Trajan]

2. Love Woody's work ....

His private life is a bit strange .... But Im not sure that his relationship with his former step daughter constitutes 'incest' ... I dont know the details, as I have purposely stayed away from this ... This much I know: Woody is not related by blood to his present wife ....

[jonnyblitz]

3. same with roman polanski

creepy personal life yet interesting work..

[Screaming Lord Byron]

5. Woah! I didn't see your post before I posted mine.

[CatWoman]

7. I posted one, too

but when I saw this one, I asked for the other to be deleted.

[CatWoman]

8. I hope someone more articulate and less passionate than I

can explain it to you.

[bloom]

15. considering many of the issues that are a part of his movies

I am too creeped out about it all to want to watch his movies now. I used to be a fan.

Considering relationships - if I were to try to relate it to people I know like my sister, her daughter and her ex-boyfriend, for instance - I would consider something like what Woody did to be beyond the pale - not acceptable.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

22. If you're sitting 1 feet away from the North bank of the Rio Grande

you're not in Mexico.

But you're awfully close.

[Screaming Lord Byron]

4. So not going there.

Same with Polanski. Great artists, horrible personal lives.

[underpants]

11. An my post is one of 5 not to get any reply

God am I good or what.

[CatWoman]

13. well, that shit ain't gonna stand!!!!

[skygazer]

12. Wow.

I don't know if I'm less passionate and more articulate than Catwoman but I'll give it a whirl.

I don't know why it's okay to give "artists" a pass on their sicko behavior. I've seen the argument that he is not related by blood to his wife - I dont' think that matters. He raised her as his own child from babyhood - to have a sexual relationship with her is disgusting to me. And wrong.

I've also seen comparisons to Clinton which is laughable. I don't condone Clinton's infidelity but it was not with his own (albeit adopted for you technical types) child.

We have spoken on this board about boycotting businesses that support Bush, or artists who support him. Why is it such a stretch to want to keep one's support from an artist who behaves with such little regard for moral decency? You could argue that most artists have little moral decency but it's usually with a consenting adult. Though this girl was of age when they married, it's still a very sick relationship if you ask me.

I don't really see why it has to be so heated. Some of us feel he has abdicated his right to our respect. Some of us don't.

[CatWoman]

14. rock on, Skygazer

:D

[Ripley]

17. I resent that.

You could argue that most artists have little moral decency but it's usually with a consenting adult. Sometimes we artists don't enjoy those stereotypes.

But other than that, I agree with you on Woody. :)

[skygazer]

27. I beg your pardon

That was for the inevitable reference to whatever artist they chose to cite who has multiple marriages or highly publicized affairs or some other peccadillo. Have to cover all angles in a short message, ya know! :)

[Ripley]

28. Gotcha.

It's just so annoying when people automatically assume we all live depraved lives, like they hand out moral codebooks in art school (to disobey of course!).

[RetroLounge]

16. It's not a duscussion, it's a threadjack

Bad Woody. Evil Woody. Get thee to hell. How dare you fall in love with your girlfriend's daughter, who isn't your daughter, who isn't your adopted daughter, who isn't your blood relative, who isn't related to you in any way shape or form, who seems to be really happy now, who isn't any of our business.

You've offended another easily-offended DU'er, probably one with Daddy issues.

YAWN

RL

[CatWoman]

18. you would do well to check Stargazer's post

I don't think you've once considered the "betrayal" angle.

Again -- she was not his natural daughter.

However, he was sleeping with her mother (adoptive or not), and they had a child together.

They were a family unit -- Woody, along with his natural child, and Mia's adopted children.

He decides to sleep with the daughter behind Mia's back -- a daughter that had known him as a father figure for many years.

You just don't get it.

[Ripley]

19. Aw shaddup you, you, you...

Daddy issue person! :D

[CatWoman]

20. LOL

Well, I WAS a Daddy's girl :D

[Ripley]

21. Well there you go!

Frankly, I think we all are Daddy issue people.

[CatWoman]

23. yeah

I saw that stupid ass remark in the GD thread.

[RetroLounge]

45. However, he was sleeping with her mother

and you know this how?

How many times a day? Week? Month?

Were you privy to their sex life?

and I believe his current wife was an adult and could maske her own choices, or was she underage when they got married? Oh, wait, lets not give her any credit for making her own choices, she's just a girl after all. :eyes:

you would do well to work on your own Betrayal issues...

RL

[CatWoman]

46. *whew*

"However, he was sleeping with her mother"

and you know this how?

How many times a day? Week? Month?

Were you privy to their sex life?

One of most publicized and controversial pairings in recent history, Woody and Soon-Yi have had an uphill battle convincing both the public and Soon-Yi's mother (who was, at the time, Woody's lover) that their relationship is, well, normal. A brief recap: (1) Soon-Yi was adopted at age eight by Farrow and Andre Previn during a trip to Korea. (2) Two years later, Woody and Mia began a relationship that lasted more than a decade.

So maybe Satchel was the product of immaculate conception?

Farrow later filed for custody of Satchel -- Farrow and Allen's natural son -- and daughter Dylan, whom they adopted. Farrow accused Allen of fondling Dylan during the custody case. The Oscar-winning director was cleared of all charges, but was barred from visiting the children without a monitor. Farrow later changed the children's names.

Maybe you should work on your own issues, rather than launch lame attacks on me, my opinions, my issues or lack of.

It's obvious you can't grasp the issues I've raised. Either your'e a complete idiot, or you're purposely trying not to grasp my explanations.

In other words -- TRUTH BE DEMAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[el_gato]

29. I just found the hateful outrage laughable

None of you know a damn thing about the issue other than
what you heard on the street or in tabloids but you
get all worked up over the personal life of somebody you
don't even know. Pardon me if I don't have time to worry
about inconsequential bullshit.

The man bashed bush and that's okay by me.

Maybe we could publicly investigate the private lives
of all of the righteous woody haters and decide wether
they are superior to the rest of us and thus in a position
to judge others.

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[el_gato]

34. Awww, did I hurt your feelings???

That makes me so sad. Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!

As I said a million times, I don't know shit about Woody Allen's personal life and I DON'T CARE!

Of course you have been intimately involved with the Woody Allen family so in the future I will defer to you in all opinions regarding the finer points of Woody, Mia, and the rest of whoever is involved with the whole issue.

Maybe you should right a book about it.

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[CatWoman]

47. How, may I ask, am I following you.

you responded to ME!!!

so one of us had to be here first.

which is it: the chicken, or the egg?

on your face that is.

[skygazer]

25. In addition

Incest is a horrible and insidious crime precisely because of the relationship. Children love and look up to their parents, always wanting their love and affection. To abuse that love and respect by instigating a sexual relationship is simply evil. It's a betrayal of trust, one that the child may honestly feel is based on affection.

[Ripley]

26. I remember reading that Mia came home one day...

and Woody was taking nude pictures of the daughter when she was a teenager. That kind of tipped the pendulum away from his favor in my book.

[Dookus]

30. not exactly

she found pictures he'd taken. She didn't catch them "in the act".

And she was a legal adult when the pics were taken. I think she was 20.

[Ripley]

31. I certainly don't have the inside details.

And neither do you. But I found this:

Woody Allen, 64, with his young wife, Soon-Yi Previn, now 29. They got together when she was 15 -- and his then-wife, Mia Farrow's adopted daughter.

I still agree with CatWoman. He's a pervert.

[Dookus]

32. well I found a bunch of other things

saying that she was NOT 15 when they got together. All the accounts I read said she was 20.

Anyway, she's 33 today and still married to him.

[JohnKleeb]

35. Just saw it, talk about heated

[Droopy]

39. That thread is a waste of good energy

and this one is turning into the same. I guess it's no different than all the flame wars around here. You see something that pisses you off and you feel you have to say something about it and before you know it you're sucked in. I've been involved in a couple of flame wars in my time and they leave me feeling nothing but drained.

[WHAT]

40. Woody isn't an artist...

he's a pr fabrication.

It won't work.

Not in a hundred years...

[DrWeird]

43. Alright, look, what two consenting adults do in their own bedroom...

is entirely my business and it's OK for me to judge a person based on that.