the next time a wingnut tries to tell you that the Nazis were left wing

[malletgirl02]

the next time a wingnut tries to tell you that the nazis were left wing mention this, that the people who collaborated wit the Nazis in france were right wing. Most of you probably know is already but is is what happen. In 1938 the socialist won control of the government, people in the right didn't want to pay more taxes for the new social programs being insituted by the new socialist government so the right wingers colloaberated with the Nazis to overthrow the Socialist government, and the vichy government resulted. I know there are other ways to handle that tired wingnut argument, but this is an optional way. I just learned this in my comparative polictics class today, I didn't know exactly what happened before.

[LoZoccolo]

1. Or ask them why anarchists are far left wing then.

They'll be like :crazy:

Then ask them if they've been in a hot tub with naked people.

[JohnKleeb]

2. its so easy to dispute that nonsense

Hitler hated leftists and many of his henchmen like Otto Skorzney who worked for the fascist Francisco Franco after the war and Argentina's Juan Peron, and many many other Nazis helped set up right wing political parties in other nations after the war. I can't even believe they try to call Hitler one of us, I'll admit that Stalin and Pol Pot were in a way on the left, but socially they were no way in hell leftists and economically not really that much either.

[kodi]

6. john, its done to cast his evil as a natural extension of socialism

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[JohnKleeb]

8. right

[whistle]

3. Right-wing and left-wing are terms that came into use....

...when parliamentary forms of government began to take shape in the 17th and 18th centuries. These were associated with the positions that advocates of the established order verses those who wished to change the oder took in the representatives Parliament. If yo sided with the king and established wealthy ruling classes, the representatives would sit on the right side of the chamber and those who opposed those of the established order would sit on the left. That was it!

<snip> Definition of Right-wing politics

In politics, right-wing, the political right, or simply the right, are terms which refer, with no particular precision, to the segment of the political spectrum in opposition to left-wing politics. It is usually, but not always, associated with conservatism. (See political spectrum and left-right politics for a detailed explanation and discussion of this kind of classification.)

The phrase "right-wing" comes from the seating arrangement of parliamentary partisans during the French Revolution. The monarchists who supported the ancient regime were commonly referred to as rightists because they sat on the right side of successive legislative assemblies. As this original reference became obsolete, the meaning of the terms has changed as appropriate to the spectrum of ideas and stances being compared, and the point of view of the speaker.

<link> http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Right-wing

In America, politicians love to put labels on people, especially their opponents who they can demonetize by using terms like "liberal", "socialist", "left-winger", "anarchist", "terrorist". I can most certainly envision a left-wing Nazi, but I don't think many survived once they were found out. Just as reactionary communists were purged by Stalin. Some neo-conservatives actually are calling Bush a liberal, that's right they think he is bending too far to the left and guess what, it has no meaning, but only helps polarize the electorate, the voters by triggering in them certain emotions to such terms. I believe that the early Nazi party leader Roehm was considered left-wing because he wanted to nationalize all of Germany's industry and of course Hitler wanted it privatized. You know who won that debate.

[kodi]

4. the 1st thing hitler did after ascending to power was jail the communists

His view on "socialism," stated in a speech he gave on July 28, 1922:

"Whoever is prepared to make the national cause his own to such as extent that he knows no higher ideal than the welfare of his nation; whoever has understood our great national anthem, 'Deutschland ueber Alles,' to mean that nothing in the wide world surpasses in his eyes this Germany, people, and land, that man is a socialist"

"Adolph Hitler Reden," p.32, quoted by Bullock

Sounds like fodder for a Toby Keith song, don't it?

[LoZoccolo]

5. Just go to the Nationalist Party's website.

http://www.nationalist.org

They'll tell you straight up they're right-wing.

[mark414]

7. just because they CALLED themselves socialists didnt make it so

[JohnKleeb]

9. National Sociaists

and theres a conservative czarist party in Russia called the liberal democrats, plus there have been countless names like this.