It Never Gets Old: YANKEES WIN!! THHHHEEEE YANKEES WIN!!!!

[Yavin4]

Red Sox fans: What did the five fingers say to the face?

[WindRavenX]

1. SLAP!

:toast: :toast:
Matsui is lookin' real good! And it's nice to see ARod get a big hit w/ RISP.

[Yavin4]

3. Have You Noticed How Quiet Red Sox Fans Get When They Lose?

crickets.

[Bluebear]

6. We are nothing but gracious. :)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=105&topic_id=1734810&mesg_id=1735980&page=

[WindRavenX]

7. heh

Dorms are rather quiet tonight...

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[charlie105]

2. Better yet to see Pedro lose another one for the Sox!

:toast:

[Princess Turandot]

4. I sent 3 cats flying up to the ceiling when Hideki hit the HR...

and you're right: it never gets old!

[StopTheMorans]

5. a big f*ckin payroll is what they said

yeah, why don't you use the "but, but, but the red sox have the 2nd biggest payroll" and you'll wonder why they come in second. oh yeah, and steinbrenner is a bush supporter; another great reason to support baseball's most funded team...

[WindRavenX]

10. actually...

...the reason the Sox keep chokin' like a President on a Pretzel is because they have piss poor managers WHO DON'T KNOW WHEN TO PULL THEIR PITCHERS!
But go on, keep crying about the payroll :eyes:

[StopTheMorans]

11. payroll bought all your all-stars

but nice way to try and change the subject:)

[JohnKleeb]

15. To be fair and I hate the yankees like no other

Mariano Rivera was developed by the yankees as was Jeter, Bernie Williams. That said, I still hate them but they do have a great farm system.

[StopTheMorans]

16. key word is "had", not "have"

they couldn't get randy johnson this year b/c all of their prospects are gone. steinbrenner still has the big bucks tho...

[JohnKleeb]

18. Well I agree with you a lot

but Rivera isn't some big shot name they paid 10 million dollars a year to play for, at least your guys teams are going over 500 all the live long time.

[WindRavenX]

20. nope

Derek Jeter, Rivera, Posada, Williams, Cairo are all homegrown.
In fact, that's more than the Sox.

[CTLawGuy]

89. the Yankees "homegrown"

talent costs them 60 million dollars to keep. If they were "homegrown" in minnesota or tampa bay they would have gone to other teams by now.

[Princess Turandot]

44. Isn't Martinez the highest paid pitcher in the AL?..nm

a

[JohnKleeb]

14. or first basemen, wanna see a case in point

I've read that Buckner could have been sat down ebcause of bad knees but McNamara refused to. :shrug: I just wish the orioles could be good again, we're gonna be the highest in the league since I was 10, oh I am so excited :D.

[olddem43]

12. Practically the whole country hates the Yankees -

because they have always bought their way to victory. It was nice when they were swept in the world series by the Dodgers and the Reds.

[StopTheMorans]

13. it hurts b/c it's true!

n/t

[JohnKleeb]

17. The dodgers swept teh yankees?

what year was that, I really dont remember, yeah it was sweet when Cincy after having one of the best ever world series against the red sox, the year of Fisk's game 6 homerun, the next year they sweep the yankees.

[olddem43]

93. I believe the Dodgers swept in '63

[WindRavenX]

21. bullshit

If the Sox had a decent manager that would've pulled Pedro in game 7 last year, the Sox would've won.
The Yankees haven't won their last 2 WS. So STFU on that they "buy" their rings BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T WON IN THE PAST 4 YEARS! 2000 was their last WS ring, against the Mets.

[StopTheMorans]

23. well then, they should spend their money better!

n/t

[WindRavenX]

24. And have anti-Yankee losers rag on them?

Please.
Just because the Sox can't manage their way out of a paper bag does not mean the Yankees should be labeled as evil :eyes:

[StopTheMorans]

28. evil=buying your way to wins and supporting the GOP

n/t

[WindRavenX]

32. man...you must hate facts or something...

FACT: The Yankees, despite having the highest payroll for the past 3 years, have no won a WS ring
FACT: Steinbreinner (whom I loathe) has given 2K to Kerry's campaign.
FACT: Red Sox fans are spoiled little kids who DEMAND that they win without EARNING their WS rings.

[StopTheMorans]

33. fact:

yankees fans are pompous as*ses

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[StopTheMorans]

37. awwwwwwww...

i'm sorry, did the big bad sox fans hurt your feelings? :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[WindRavenX]

38. No, I don't consider the words of losers to be very hurtful

Call me when you guys are winners.

[StopTheMorans]

41. call me when you have some soul

i grew up a yanks (and buffalo bills) fan, stopped watching with the strike (when mattingly retired). loved them in the mel hall/hawkinson/mattingly days. loved them then in the same way i loved the bills; namely, a team that had "personality" and weren't a bunch of clones who all claimed to possess "character" and "class", which are b*llsh*t covers for "can be bought for a price" and "don't possess a pinstripe of personality"...

on edit: fixed tense (partially)

[WindRavenX]

45. then you need to watch these Yankees...

They have heart and soul.
Derek Jeter is one of the most inspirational atheltes that I have had the pleasure of see grow from rookie to star; he plays because he LOVES the game- NOT because he wants money.
Posada is like Munson. TONS of soul.
Williams is the quiet spirit on the team, but he ALWAYS comes through.
Rivera is the silent destroyer and a deeply religious man.
What team have you been watching? I've been watching a team with HEART.

[StopTheMorans]

49. i've been watching a team that gets PAID

and has to conform to a rigid standard of how they should look/act. personally, i'd prefer a team of individuals anyday, but hey; paying 180+ million for a bunch of cardboard cut-out all-stars is steinbrenner's prerogative...

[WindRavenX]

53. do you even read?

Do you even read what Derek Jeter has said and done? That guy IS an individual.
Why am I bothering?

[StopTheMorans]

58. i watched him on the pre-game today

spouted a bunch of cleches, and ended with "follow me onto the on-deck circle". whoa, heavy stuff there derek!

[WindRavenX]

64. as opposed to Kevin Millar...

"I will not be lack-of communicated-to"? PUH-LEASE.
Derek Jeter started the TURN2 foundation which helps keep kids in school and off the street.
Had you read into Derek and watched him play, you would see him as a humanitarian...but your hatred of the pinstripes has blinded you.

[curse10]

54. Steinbrenner may have given money to Kerry, but A-Rod

and that little fucktwit in your sig line are big Bush supporters.

and on edit: Steibrenner has given thousands of dollars to Bush. No big surprise there.

[WindRavenX]

60. Jeter is not a Bush supporter

He was photographed w/ Jeter, but he has not donated or stated that he supports Bush.
Unless you have additional evidence.
But ARod has, and it's one reason I'll never really like him.
Mattingly was a Dem, FYI.

[OneBlueSky]

91. and the Sox last won in what year? . . .

does 1918 ring a bell? . . . but don't despair . . . in 2018, they can celebrate the centenniel of their last World Series win . . . :)

[Princess Turandot]

57. However, the other owners don't hate them when they fill their stadiums..

on the road, which several of the AL teams have trouble doing on their own.

[Princess Turandot]

29. But he also gives $$ to democrats..

if this site is credible:

http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/hof.php?#BILLIONAIRES

Sports people are near the bottom.
Steinbrenner is at:

http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?last=Steinbrenner&first=George

He's contributing to Rangel, who is abt as liberal as it you get,
and Schumer and Bob Graham, in addition to Bush, so your statement is not totally revealing.

[StopTheMorans]

31. how bout Kerry?

n/t

[Princess Turandot]

47. I'm not disputing that he gave money to Bush at all..my post doesn't..

say that. Your post ignores the fact that he donates to Democrats in Congress, which is also important.

I'm trying to be fair and balanced.

[StopTheMorans]

59. they're in NYS

watching out for your interests in your own backyard is different than actually supporting one candidate over another...

[Princess Turandot]

65. A die hard Republican would not give $$ to Charlie Rangel..

just IMHO.

[StopTheMorans]

73. a smart and business-savvy republican

in NYS would...

[4morewars]

9. All my life.....

the end of the year bosox vs yankees has always been the BEST series in baseball. Even if the Yankees went on to win the world series (which they have done a few times;) )

[NYC Liberal]

19. Poor Wet Sox lost...again.

[StopTheMorans]

22. yanks are just like GOP

put up the money to buy wins...

[WindRavenX]

26. uh huh

So explain whose won the past 3 WS?
hint: it wasn't the Yankees :P

[StopTheMorans]

30. just like *

they put up the money and lost, but still ACT like they won it...

[WindRavenX]

34. jesus christ

Have the Yankees paraded around saying they won the last 3 WS?
No.
Stop making a fool out of yourself.

[StopTheMorans]

39. as soon as you stop pretending that

the yankees would have done anything were it not for steinbrenner's $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[WindRavenX]

42. I guarentee you

If Torre was manager, he would produce a winning team every damn year.
He is the reason the Yankees are winners. Not because of money.
Look to the 80's and 90's. Talent, but poor leadership.
Oh but I suppose that was because of Evil Evil Steinbreiner huh? :eyes:

[StopTheMorans]

43. not much talent

some, but not much. hawksinson's losing no-hitter would't have been a win were torre there. if torre is so all-powerful; why weren't the cardinals perennial world series champs before he came to the yanks? i'll save you the typing: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[WindRavenX]

48. logic isn't your strong subject is it?

If money = WS rings, then the Yankees must have won every year that they have the highest payroll.
We know this to be false.
If Torre = success, then the Yankees must have won every year that Torre was manager.
We know this to be false.
Now, both statements are false, yet you set up a contradiction: If Torre fails, money supplies the Yankees with victory. If money fails, then Torre provides victory.
But both are FALSE.

[StopTheMorans]

51. yet you claim Torre, not money, is the reason the yanks win...

so why didn't he win with the cardinals? care to clarify?

[WindRavenX]

56. because he was a younger manager

And didn't have nearly as many pressure situations. He was also a poor manager of personalities, but now he is regarded as the best in that catagory.
I've yet to see a manager "get it" their first time around. Torre has mastered the art of managing.

[JohnKleeb]

61. to be fair Earl Weaver got it the first time around

First full season, world series, sigh those were the days, those damn miracle mets though.

[StopTheMorans]

63. so he "got it"

just as he came to the team who could afford to pay for some big players? wow, what a coincidence! :eyes:

[WindRavenX]

66. Torre came in 1995

Did they win that year?
I eagerly await your response.

[JohnKleeb]

69. I really am trying to stay objective but

that was Buck Showalter's last year, I remember. http://www.baseball-reference.com/managers/torrejo01.shtml

[WindRavenX]

72. 1995?

They lost against the Indians...Rivera coughed up a game winning HR to Alomar...

[JohnKleeb]

75. Yeah they did but Torre wasnt the manager

Showalter is. I am being objective here since my real dream is to see the orioles start up like the 1984 Tigers but :shrug: I also think I can go to UVA Law School :D.

[WindRavenX]

77. ::scratches head::

I distinctly remember Torre in '95...WTF is wrong with me?

[JohnKleeb]

79. just an honest mistake

I was afraid of roller coasters for many years because of something that had never happened.
1995 NL Cent St.Louis 47 20 27 .426 4
Torre must have been fired that year as the Cards manager. I believe that LaRussa became the manager for them in '96. If you wanna verify stuff like this go to http://www.baseball-reference.com/

[nickgutierrez]

94. Showalter was the manager, and they lost to the Mariners

In the AL Divisional Series, 3 games to 2.

I seem to remember Ken Griffey Jr. coming around to score the winning run in game 5, but I could be wrong on that.

EDIT: forgot my source :)

http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/AL_1995.shtml

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[WindRavenX]

68. don't waste your time with "facts"

It's kryptonite to Sox fans.

[Princess Turandot]

67. oops, I thought this was a post abt Johnny Damon..nm

v

[Yavin4]

25. Like We Care That The Nation Hates Us

Second, Pedro Martinez, the highest paid pitcher in baseball, was stolen from the Expos.

[WindRavenX]

27. but Pedro is god!!!

He's obviously not tainted by evil...nooo...

[Chovexani]

36. Hideki was awesome!

:loveya:

Ya, it never gets old. :D

[WindRavenX]

40. nope, it never does

Sadly, some Sox fans think because their team fucking sucks means that they should win the WS every year because those evil Yankees "buy" their rings...:eyes:

[StopTheMorans]

46. awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

"my team has a media market that dwarves the sox media market and thus produces much more revenue, and we can afford to get any player that we want, but we shouldn't be held accountable when people call us buying our wins", :cry:

[WindRavenX]

50. oh yeah, they can afford annnny player they want

Uh huh. Like Randy Johnson?
And don't bitch about ARod. You guys blew it BIG TIME. You could have HAD him, but no, you guys' management CHOKED like a president on a pretzel.
Fucking cry babies.

[StopTheMorans]

52. couldn't have RJ b/c it wasn't about money

it was about prospects, of whom the yanks have none...

[WindRavenX]

71. BUT WAIT

You said the Yankees BUY their players.
But when they can't it's because of their lack of prospects??
Which is it??

[sir_captain]

62. inferiority complex much?

the sox have always negotiated terrible tv deals--don't blame the yankees for the sox's own ineptitude. the NY market doesn't seem to be helping the mets too much, you know?

[StopTheMorans]

70. mets don't have the history the yanks do

mets came about in the 60's, yanks have been around since the turn of the century. if you're even trying to incinuate that the NY media market is similar to the boston media market in terms of size, then you've already discredited yourself...

[WindRavenX]

74. oh please

PLEASE.
Just stop.
The Mets have JUST as much access to the market as the Yankees do...

[mvd]

76. I'm a Yankees fan and am happy

I became a fan of the Yankees when my grandmother, who was a huge Yankees fan, died. The Phillies are my first team, and the Yankees, Cardinals, and Orioles are all teams I root for secondary to the Phillies. So loyalty is more of a factor where the Yankees are concerned than loving the organization. I do love the Yankees history, though.

[WindRavenX]

78. b-b-but we're evil because we "buy" our rings

I mean, we've been doing for all of our history...:eyes: :eyes: :eyes:

[mvd]

80. I know - it doesn't bother me personally

The Phillies had a big payroll but the players lacked the heart. Money is a factor, but the Yankees must also do a good job of picking managers and putting together team chemistry.

[WindRavenX]

81. exactly

Chemistry + good management = success
Why is this so g-damned hard for some Sox fans to understand?

[JohnKleeb]

82. sigh I know what its like to have a big payroll and to suck

as a partial orioles fan I bet you know that. I don't like the yankees but I'll defend them with facts and I'll go after them with facts, as with anyone. That's because I am the fact nazi though.

[WindRavenX]

83. The Orioles are only going to get better

Next year, count on them fighting the Yankees for the title.

[JohnKleeb]

84. I still am heartbroken from the mid 90's you gotta understand

We're starting to hit good though, Miguel leads the league in RBI's, Javy and Melvin are in the top of the BA list, if only Raffy had a year like he did in the glory days, we'd done damn better, plus we didn't have a true ace, what pitchers are available for free agency this year? I am so glad we didnt Aaron Sele after all.

[WindRavenX]

85. exactly

And keep in mind your manager Maz is wicked smart (ex-Yankee and all).
Orioles will be fabulous, don't you worry :toast:

[mvd]

86. Do you see the Phillies getting better?

I hope so. :-( I think they may need a new general manager.

[WindRavenX]

87. I think so

Phillies will have better pitching in the future, and if I recall, their offense was pretty good..it was just pitching and defense that bit them (which is common for a team with potential).

[mvd]

88. Agreed - the offense needed some more clutch hits, though

Maybe they can find a player that will help them there in the off-season. I don't think Bowa, the manager, is a problem. Thanks for your reply - it's been good talking with you. :hi:

[WindRavenX]

90. ditto

Sorry I lost it on this thread..I have ZERO tollerance for the claim that the Yankees buy their rings. NONE. It's fucking bullshit and I go apeshit everytime.

[OneBlueSky]

92. can't we all just (sniff) get along? . . .

as a Yankee fan, I promise to root for the Red Sox if they make it to the World Series . . .

I also promise to be there in 2018 when they celebrate the centenniel of their last World Series win . . . :)

[MaineDem]

95. And then there was Saturday night! (nt)

:evilgrin: