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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 08:15 PM
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the worst political e-mail I've gotten in awhile.......
....repeatedly BEGGED my parents to stop sendin' me this SHIT...makes me fuckin' SICK....but they...the sheep that they are....refuse to listen to me....or see reality for that matter. :cry:


...anyone else get this particular piece o'shit recently?



This was passed to me, but I can't understand it. Maybe you can. I'm trying
to get all this political stuff straightened out in my head so I'll know how
to vote come November. Right now, we have one guy saying one thing. Then the
other guy says something else. Who to believe. Lemme see; have I got this
straight?

Clinton awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Yugoslavia - good...
Bush awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Iraq - bad...

Clinton spends 77 billion on war in Serbia - good..
Bush spends 87 billion in Iraq - bad...

Clinton imposes regime change in Serbia - good...
Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - bad...

Clinton bombs Christian Serbs on behalf of Muslim Albanian terrorists-
good...
Bush liberates 25 million from a genocidal dictator - bad...

Clinton bombs Chinese embassy - good...
Bush bombs terrorist camps - bad...

Clinton commits felonies while in office - good...
Bush lands on aircraft carrier in jumpsuit - bad...

No mass graves found in Serbia - good...
No WMD found Iraq - bad...

Stock market crashes in 2000 under Clinton - good...
Economy on upswing under Bush - bad...

Clinton refuses to take custody of Bin Laden - good...
World Trade Centers fall under Bush - bad..

Clinton says Saddam has nukes - good...
Bush says Saddam has nukes - bad...

Clinton calls for regime change in Iraq - good...
Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - bad...

Terrorist training in Afghanistan under Clinton - good...
Bush destroys training camps in Afghanistan - bad...

Milosevic not yet convicted - good...
Saddam turned over for trial - bad...
Ahh, it's so confusing!

Every year an independent tax watchdog group analyzes the average tax burden
on Americans, and then calculates the "Tax Freedom Day". This is the day
after which the money you earn goes to you, not the government. This year, tax
freedom day was April 11th. That's the earliest it has been since 1991. Its
latest day ever was May 2nd, which occurred in 2000. Notice anything special
about those dates?

Recently, John Kerry gave a speech in which he claimed Americans are
actually paying more taxes under Bush, despite the tax cuts. He gave no
explanation and provided no data for this claim.

Another interesting fact: Both George Bush and John Kerry are wealthy men
Bush owns only one home, his ranch in Texas. Kerry owns 4 mansions, all worth
several million dollars. (His ski resort home in Idaho is an old barn brought
over from Europe in pieces. Not your average A-frame).

Bush paid $250,000 in taxes this year; Kerry paid $90,000. Does that sound
right? The man who wants to raise your taxes obviously has figured out a way
to avoid paying his own.

Pass this on. Election Day is fast approaching.

:evilfrown:
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Free2BMe Donating Member (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 08:19 PM
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1. ask your folks...
Are you better off today than you were in 2000?
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 08:23 PM
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3. S'all been said before.....
..blah blah blah...in one ear and out the other...all directly thru their colon 'cos that's where their heads are. x(

Thanks though! :hi:
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 08:22 PM
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2. send this back
Edited on Mon Sep-27-04 08:23 PM by soundgarden1
0 american combat deaths in Serbia combating atrocities against civilians - bad?
1050 US combat deaths and 30,000 civilian dead in Iraq - good?
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 08:26 PM
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5. s'all for naught....the truth doesn't matter......
....no matter how many times I've tried to make 'em see it....they're blinded by the right...like half the population o'the US. :nopity:
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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 08:25 PM
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4. They only look at federal taxes...not state and local taxes.
Kerry also has less money then Bush (and a smaller paycheck, I might add). Kerry's WIFE has money but he does not.


Clinton commits felonies while in office - good...
Bush lands on aircraft carrier in jumpsuit - bad...


Clinton getting a blow job in office - Bad
Bush breaking international law by going to war pre-emptively - Good


Milosevic not yet convicted - good...
Saddam turned over for trial - bad...

Milosevic on trial - Bad
Saddam on trial - Good

Clinton refuses to take custody of Bin Laden - good...
World Trade Centers fall under Bush - bad..


Clinton signs several directives to the CIA to assasinate Bin Laden - Bad...
Bush ignoring PDB saying Bin Laden intending on striking in the US - Good...

Terrorist training in Afghanistan under Clinton - good...
Bush destroys training camps in Afghanistan - bad...

Clinton bombs Afghanistan training camps - Bad...
Bush meets with Taliban for pipeline - Good...
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 08:41 PM
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6. snopes maybe?
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JimmyJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 08:44 PM
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7. This drives me insane because it means people are making
decisions about a candidate based on sound bites. It's such a bumper sticker mentality and proves freepers can't get beyond one liners. I think the person who said it best was Teresa Heinz Kerry when she asked the heckler, "did you read the legislation?"

The above statements are full of spin and devoid of facts. The person who wrote this piece of crap obviously went to the Sean Insanity school of journalism.

To debunk only one of the above:

"Bush liberates 25 milllion from homicidal dictator." These people do not consider themselves to be liberated, they believe themselves to be occupied. Who better to render an opinion on the matter than the Iraqi people?



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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 09:00 PM
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8. Yeah I literally let 2000/01 drive me insane.....
....went to the nut house for a few days as a result..durin' *'s inauguration no less...SO FAR this go 'round it's shapin' up to be a replay....but for me it won't have the same outcome as it did that time as I now see with clarity that most people are too fuckin' stupid for their own good and that reality to them is and always will be the extreme opposite o' what it actually IS....knowin' that makes all the difference in my mental makeup now....no where near as niave to others ignorance....it will definitely drive you insane to have hope that the masses can actually think for themselves and realize what's goin' on...it's not gonna happpen...history itself has proved this....eon after eon...in every way imaginable. :(
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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 09:03 PM
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9. Check out thread I just posted of a good email I got; send it to them
It's in a similar vein, but shows the chimp in a negative light.
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 10:16 PM
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10. Total bullshit!
First off, is Clinton running in this race?

Second, google "what you have to believe to be a republican"

Third, all of this is crap! Don't let them get away with it unanswered.

Clinton awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Yugoslavia - good...
Bush awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Iraq - bad...
The Clinton admin didn't have a conflict of interest

Clinton spends 77 billion on war in Serbia - good..
Bush spends 87 billion in Iraq - bad...
I don't know the actual costs for Serbia but I will warrant that the US portion is probably less than a billion since it was a NATO operation. Iraq, however is now at like 200 Billion

Clinton imposes regime change in Serbia - good...
Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - bad... It was a NATO deal, NOT our deal

Clinton bombs Christian Serbs on behalf of Muslim Albanian terrorists-
good...
Bush liberates 25 million from a genocidal dictator - bad...LIBERATES????

Clinton bombs Chinese embassy - good...
Bush bombs terrorist camps - bad...
Clinton bombs al Quaida training centers and the repukes cry "wag the dog" and "no war for monica." What terrorist camps did bushie bomb anyway?

Clinton commits felonies while in office - good...
Bush lands on aircraft carrier in jumpsuit - bad...
What felony was that?? The record for admonistration convictions for felonies was the raygun admin, some 34 of em. Under Clinton, one. An under-secretary of agriculture for free football tix in Nebraska I believe.

No mass graves found in Serbia - good...
No WMD found Iraq - bad...
Again, this was a NATO operation and ZERO americans lost their lives. It is also quite evident that is bunnypant was not in such a rush to war that the UN inspectors could have verified no WMDs in Iraq BEFORE we committed over 1000 brave young american lives, 200 billion dollars and our good reputation in the world community!

Stock market crashes in 2000 under Clinton - good...
Economy on upswing under Bush - bad...
TOTAL LIE, The market crashed under bush

Clinton refuses to take custody of Bin Laden - good...
World Trade Centers fall under Bush - bad..
Another TOTAL LIE. Read the bi-partisan 9-11 commission report, Clinton had NO chance to take custody. And, YES, bush dropped the ball, read a bit, ignoramous!"

Clinton says Saddam has nukes - good...
Bush says Saddam has nukes - bad...

Clinton calls for regime change in Iraq - good...
Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - bad...
Ahhhhh, nuance, thinking something beyond your capacity, I see. Read what Clinton said and wrote and the bill that was passed, then read the IWR bill and tell me who complied with the law. Anyway, I am sick and fucking tired of debating with non-factual sound bites. If you want to be an American, and a responsible member of the world community, do some goddam research and learn about the owrld you live in and don't accept everything you hear on your tee-vee.

Terrorist training in Afghanistan under Clinton - good...
Bush destroys training camps in Afghanistan - bad...

Milosevic not yet convicted - good...
Saddam turned over for trial - bad...
Ahh, it's so confusing!

Every year an independent tax watchdog group analyzes the average tax burden
on Americans, and then calculates the "Tax Freedom Day". This is the day
after which the money you earn goes to you, not the government. This year, tax
freedom day was April 11th. That's the earliest it has been since 1991. Its
latest day ever was May 2nd, which occurred in 2000. Notice anything special
about those dates?

Recently, John Kerry gave a speech in which he claimed Americans are
actually paying more taxes under Bush, despite the tax cuts. He gave no
explanation and provided no data for this claim.

Another interesting fact: Both George Bush and John Kerry are wealthy men
Bush owns only one home, his ranch in Texas. Kerry owns 4 mansions, all worth
several million dollars. (His ski resort home in Idaho is an old barn brought
over from Europe in pieces. Not your average A-frame).

Bush paid $250,000 in taxes this year; Kerry paid $90,000. Does that sound
right? The man who wants to raise your taxes obviously has figured out a way
to avoid paying his own.

Pass this on. Election Day is fast approaching.

sorry jus_the_facts, not intended for you, i just get so damn frustrated with the idiots that read, believe and pass this kind of shit along. It echos the end of civilization as we know it!
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 10:21 PM
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11. here was my response....
......not very interestin' because it's warped propogated LIES not the TRUTH.....PLEASE DON'T SEND ME THIS CRAP....PLEASE?! I don't wanna end up back in the nut house because too many people choose to see a completely different reality than what it actually IS....sad but all too true....because what happened in 2000/01 was a MAJOR factor in that whole ordeal....and this fall is shapin' up to be a replay in sooooo many ways.....and I'm extremely serious....all jokin' aside.....

I LOVE YOU....but can't deal with this kind of stuff right now in the slightest...it's not humorus to me...and I've not been sendin' ya'll anything to prove the lies in this type of BS or anything else political in a loooong time....I'd appreciate it if you'd reciprocate.

...and his response back to me....

you got it!! Sorry!!
Love you too,
Daddy

....no offence taken steviet....and I do feel your frustration all too well!! :hi: :pals:
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