What happened to MoPaul?

[kentuck]

I miss his/her irreverence......??

[Elidor]

1. He started a couple of flamebait threads regarding religion

And when the admins stepped in to limit the fallout, he decided it was time to move on. I hope he gets over it and comes back. He's one-of-a-kind.

[anti_shrub]

4. Probably had something to do

with his fundie relatives he posted about, which is what led him to make increasingly angry posts about religion until he decided to step away.

[Don_G]

2. Here's His Last Post

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=120&topic_id=2731

[Ohio Dem]

3. If you want to contact MoPaul,

here's a link to MoPaul's site.

http://www.mopaul.com/

[trof]

9. Thanks for the link.

Great website. What a talented guy. I miss him around here too.
Just sent him an attaboy.

[WoodrowFan]

5. beats me but..

I'm sure there's a CIA plot involved somehow. :eyes:

[trumad]

6. There ain't no doubt Mo's reading this thread

Hey Mo...Get your candy ass back here...

[oneighty]

7. Yeah Candy Ass

Git it on back.

180

[Guaranteed]

8. Seriously...

I told everyone I thought science was bunk, and, while I took a lot of flak from the members the admin left me alone. (not trying to start anything here ;)) The discussion should go on as long as it's closely monitored and doesn't get out of control.

[realFedUp]

10. Was wondering that myself...

we want Mo...

[Iris]

11. well. This is a revolting development.

I've intentionally stayed away lately and I hate this happened. I did see the fable/myth thread and, although I didn't participate, I certainly didn't see anything wrong with the premise.

[latebloomer]

12. huge loss

I don't get why talking about religion as fable or fairy tale is censorable. Sheesh.

Mopaul, I miss you.

[Castilleja]

15. I looked at those threads, too

and I don't see anything wrong with the ideas, either. :shrug:

[Atlant]

25. Lots of things that are censored here ought not be.

But the truth hurts, and some people go crying to the
lunchroom monitors.

Maybe someday humanity will get past that sort of thing,
but for now, it remains a truism that squeeky wheels
get greased.

Atlant

[leftofthedial]

44. yup

censorship is a bitch.

[DemExpat]

13. We DO want MO!!!!!!!!!

He just HAS to come back to DU - I really miss his special touch....

:kick: :kick: :kick:

Pretty please? Mopaul?

DemEx

[Mandate My Ass]

14. we could start a draft mopaul movement!

If he's drafted then he has to come back. :hi:

[Crewleader]

17. Good idea Monica_L.....

mopaul you've been drafted by us...Now Come Back Friend! :hi:

[Blue_Chill]

16. Mopaul gone, oh well

That guy had his cool moments but IMHO he crossed the line and posted flame bait more then many freeper trolls did. He is known all over the net as a big time jerk, I was surprised at how many gamers that I play with new him and absolutely hated him and they were democrats.

[Crewleader]

20. I haven't been around but I know one thing

if he has done what you say he has done Blue Chill...well he should have the time he needs to collect himself in the behavior that is allowed here being with friends and putting the cause before ourselves.

We must be open-minded to accepting or disagreeing and yet not go overboard that hurts or insults or breaks the rules that have been established at DU. We can't get away with this or we do act worse then the freepers.

So put attitudes and egos' away because that only gets you being alone and we are so much better with everyone under the same DU tent! We Need To Treat DUers Like We Want To Be Treated!

[Raven]

28. Hello Crew!!!

You always make sense! :hi:

[Crewleader]

84. Hello Raven!!!

You do too my friend!

Now if every DUer just try to be considerate of one another what a wonderful warm place this would be and the disruptors would be spotted quicker as who they are here so the faster they are gone!

And if everyone just put their dislikes towards the goal and see the bigger picture that the enemy loves to see you eat your own because they seat back and laugh while not really doing too much to get themselves upset but just lite the flame and see it burn so they can bring down the place.

It makes us all want out of here at times,with threads that makes DUers at each others throats and that's their plan,that's their idea to stop us. We can't forget what they are all about, greed, power and do anything and everything they can to get away with it and make sure they keep it. The positions in office, the bought media, their corporations and their clout who has the money!

We are going to take back this country, with determination like so many DUers achieve everyday getting the word out about the republicans like your son does who you got to love and I know you worry over him in his goal to see we take back the house and senate and have a president for the people. Raven we are building momentum that is unstoppable for we are growing stronger in our belief not to let another election be stolen.

Their attempts like the California ReCall is a fine example they won't stop at nothing, the legislation in Texas, hats off to those Democrats who are putting up a fight!

DU is really growing, lots more numbers, lots more foot soldiers that we will need to win and we need to welcome everyone of them here to grow stronger not only in friendship for one another but as brothers and sisters to achieve our goal making life not be the struggle it is for alot of us. We need our government to be for every American and we need to put the right ones in office and not be blinded by any republican because their are few good ones, and most say not one good one out of the bunch!

I believe in DU...I believe we can do it!

[WillParkinson]

23. Flame Bait...

Many posts can be taken as flame bait, depending on how people want to view them and how much they want to get into it. I've seen several threads that I was so close to just going off on someone but at the least minute I stopped.

[supernova]

18. i enjoyed MoPaul's humor

I wish he would stick around, realizing not everybody on the planet is related to his fundie relatives. Besides, he's not going to change them. They are who they are.

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[DemExpat]

22. I don't believe he was banned.....he left......

on his own accord.

:shrug:

DemEx

[goobergunch]

31. Definitely not banned

mopaul's profile...not a tombstone

[Sick of Bullshit]

21. I do believe that mopaul is still posting

Just under a different name.

[prolesunited]

24. That's not true

He still reads DU, though

[Sick of Bullshit]

71. To be quite frank

There is a new poster who is the spitting image of mopaul.

Frankly speaking, that is.

[KG]

26. MoPaul is the only DUer that ,

in response to his announcement of his departure, i replied. 'please don't go'. :(

[leftofthedial]

46. okay then that settles it

I'm staying

[Cheswick2.0]

27. Mopaul, had so much to say

Unfortunately some of it was against DU rules.

He had some posts pulled just like most people here and he chose to leave.

[Atlant]

29. And some of it wasn't but was deleted anyway.

> Mopaul, had so much to say"
> Unfortunately some of it was against DU rules.

And some of it wasn't but was deleted anyway, just to
appease the cry-babies. 'Happens a lot if your posts
touch upon certain "hot-button" issues.

Atlant

[Cheswick2.0]

36. nonsense Atlant

that's nonsense and you know it. If anyone is a crybaby it is someone who thinks the rules about bigotry apply to everyone but them.

[Atlant]

39. I disagree (that my statement is nonsense). (NT)

[Breezy du Nord]

30. If people don't like what he posts

Then don't open the thread. Jeesh!

[Blue_Chill]

32. great policy

everyone insult everyone, if they don't like it they don't have to read it. Hooray!!!

please.....

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[Blue_Chill]

41. Hi there Moinca

How you been? Good? Glad to hear it.

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[Blue_Chill]

40. Look out here comes a stone

I have NEVER started a thread that attacked anyone. I have jumped in defense only. All of the threads I start are wired articles, questions for how to approach a subject, odd things I've found, or sports.

Nice try though. If I step on toes it's because people hate having their bais and hate pointed out to them. Oh well like the person said you don't have to read it. Right? Yeah.

[Mandate My Ass]

43. In defense only, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

He is known all over the net as a big time jerk, I was surprised at how many gamers that I play with new him and absolutely hated him and they were democrats.

In response to a thread started about missing a fellow community member who is gone, you posted this quite offensive, unfounded, vicious and unchristian rumor and then have the nerve to make the assertion.

If I step on toes it's because people hate having their bais (sic) and hate pointed out to them.

Looks like you posted something utterly hateful because you hate having your bias against mopaul demonstrated so vividly.

[Blue_Chill]

45. Enjoyed your laugh? I'm glad.

In response to a thread started about missing a fellow community member who is gone, you posted this quite offensive, unfounded, vicious and unchristian rumor and then have the nerve to make the assertion.

1- not unfounded it is the truth. When I rejoined the gaming community I posted a picture by mopaul, I was banned. Why? Not because the picture but because it said Mopaul on it, he has a reputation much like I do with you all over the gaming community.

2- UnChristian? Stick to what you know.

Looks like you posted something utterly hateful because you hate having your bias against mopaul demonstrated so vividly

I do not have a bias against MoPaul at all. It is my opinion that he posted flame bait, that does not mean that I would hold anything against him if he came back and decided to share his artwork without calling me a dumb sheep.

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[Wonk]

63. You forgot a (sic)

"I was surprised at how many gamers that I play with new (sic) him"

O8)

[Mandate My Ass]

64. True, there's a lot of sic(ness)

in that particular post. :D

[Blue_Chill]

67. haha

soo funny! :eyes:

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[Forkboy]

79. "people hate having their bais and hate pointed out to them. "

Would that explain why you PM'ed me calling me a fucking moron?

Just curious.

[Blue_Chill]

87. Because you pissed me off

Anything else I can help you with?

BTW - you really need to get over that, you've been crying about it for weeks.

[SoCalDem]

34. A message board is like a buffet...

don't like beets?? don't put them on your plate:)

I avoid more threads than I read lately, just because I have no interest in getting involved in a circular argument with strangers..

They have the right to post stuff that I think is CRAP...but I also have an obligation to not get huffy when they say something that offends me.. It's MY choice to get involved in the discussion..

If they send me stuff in my e-mail or my inbox at DU, that's different :)

Religion will always be a hot button topic, and even though I line up with mopaul on most religious issues, I prefer to just ignore them.. Some ignore, others get into the fray..

His opinions were every bit as valid as the "readers".. Just because a guy in a fancy robe tells you something, or you read it in "the book", does NOT make it so..

Skeptical people are not evil, nor are we unfortunate.. We are realists who do not "need" the pie in the sky promises of an afterlife.. I try to do my good deeds in the here and now, and IF there is something beyond....well goodie goodie..but I am not counting on it..:)

The ones who DO believe..Bravo to you guys.. I used to believe in unseen things, but I no longer do.. I never try to convince anyone of MY beliefs, nor do I expect to be "coached" in theirs..

Come back, mo... we need you :)

[Cheswick2.0]

38. come on SoCal

I can't beleive you just posted that. Please show me one post where anyone tried to coach anyone else in their beliefs? Show me one post where I or anyone who "believes" ever criticized anyone elses religious beliefs, or lack of them.

The only coaching I see here on what people should or should not believe is being done by some of the atheists.

But that was not the issue with Mopaul, his posts were inflamatory and biggoted on the subject of religion. They got deleted because they broke the rules and after about a billion complaints the mods finally pulled a few.

[Blue_Chill]

42. sigh fine then

don't like beets?? don't put them on your plate:)

That works both ways, if they don’t like being criticized they don’t have to post flame bait. I take attacks all the time that if I made would get me banned. Such is life.

I avoid more threads than I read lately, just because I have no interest in getting involved in a circular argument with strangers.

You’d be surprised by how many I simply avoid. But you see those that attack my particular group are far more in number then those that attack you.

They have the right to post stuff that I think is CRAP...but I also have an obligation to not get huffy when they say something that offends me.. It's MY choice to get involved in the discussion.

That’s your opinion my dear. Cheswick asked the admins why people were allowed to get away with certain attacks and the admins replied that we should help them understand what is offensive, that’s what I do.

If they send me stuff in my e-mail or my inbox at DU, that's different :)

You’d be surprised the shit I get. PM’s don’t bother me because they are off the record. If someone wants to go at it that way fine with me.

Religion will always be a hot button topic, and even though I line up with mopaul on most religious issues, I prefer to just ignore them.. Some ignore, others get into the fray.

Yes they will and in order to approach hot topics one must tread lightly. Some have yet to learn that.

His opinions were every bit as valid as the "readers".. Just because a guy in a fancy robe tells you something, or you read it in "the book", does NOT make it so.

No one at all is questioning the right of Mopaul to present his opinion. It’s seems that you have a problem with anyone criticizing it.

Skeptical people are not evil, nor are we unfortunate.. We are realists who do not "need" the pie in the sky promises of an afterlife.. I try to do my good deeds in the here and now, and IF there is something beyond....well goodie goodie..but I am not counting on it..:)

When have I said any of that? When have I accused ‘brights’ (atheist is soo yesterday) of being evil or unfortunate? You seem to be getting defensive for the fun of it.

I do however question your statement that you are realist, you take no more of a real approach on life then I do. In fact your implication that I would not do my good deeds in the here and now are completely absurd and shows a complete misunderstanding of the ‘good works’ concept of the Catholic faith.

The ones who DO believe..Bravo to you guys.. I used to believe in unseen things, but I no longer do.. I never try to convince anyone of MY beliefs, nor do I expect to be "coached" in theirs..

I never try to convince anyone of my beliefs but I do let people know when they offend. That’s life, some people sit down and take it some don’t.

[SoCalDem]

72. See why I stay out of these threads???

(Usually)... :P

and now back to our regular programming..

Sorry if my beliefs or lack thereof offended.. I was rasied Catholic, and as soon as I was old enough, I bolted for the door.:)

Now I just live by the Golden Rule..and I get to sleep in on Sunday :P

[leftofthedial]

48. what's wrong with that Blue_Chill?

just like censorship of music, film, literature . . .

No one forces you to read a thread you find offensive.

But the whiners on DU have removed a legitimate and important political topic of conversation from the entire site and have caused at least one valuable member to stop posting.

I'm not trying to flame you. I know I've been over that line of "offensiveness" myself and I'm sorry for that. But even when I try very hard to raise the issue of religion and politics here without being offensive, it ends up in tangential flaming and almost no constructive discussion of the topic. From my perspective, the anti-atheist side is every bit as disruptive as mopaul ever was.

[Name removed]

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[Mandate My Ass]

52. mopaul is still a member in good standing here

so when you label him an asshole, it makes it difficult for the rest of us to take you seriously when you say:

It's really very simple when you wish to approach a sensative subject try not to be offensive. It's *REALLY* not difficult for those that aren't on a quest to be complete jerks.

[Blue_Chill]

54. When did I say he was an asshole?

Show me. I actually had someone else in mind.

[Mandate My Ass]

55. when did you label him an asshole?

In that thread the mods just yanked because it broke the rules.


Sheesh.

[Blue_Chill]

57. uh huh

if you say so. But I never said "mopaul is an asshole" you assumed I was reffering to him.

[arwalden]

82. Oh, Brother!!

If for no other purpose, I certainly hope Mopaul is sitting back and getting a good chuckle out of this thread.

I don't know whether to laugh, or cry or grind my teeth.

What a trainwreck.

-- Allen

[leftofthedial]

58. I don't think you are a stupid sheep

We'll use the word "anti-anti-theist" if you like.

I think you are one of several DU anti-anti-theist activists with much too thin skin, who take offense far too easily and who often, in my experience, see "insults" where none exist. You also complain to the moderators more and more often about less than any other group I'm aware of.

The personal, unfounded, and excessive attacks on mopaul are beneath your usual standard of argument.

Limiting a statement to "I disagree with organized religion" is a topic, not a discussion. Immediately, item one, on the list of why I disagree with organized religion, is a statement I already know that you find offensive and that moderators have deleted in the past. Ergo, on DU, I am forbidden to talk about why I think that in politics, organized religion is part of the problem instead of part of the solution.

You, however, are free to post 'til your heart's content if you wish, about how wonderful Jesus is, what a great thing religion is, what color the wallpaper in heaven is, how many angels can dance on the head of an anti-anti-theist, or what "complete jerks" anti-anti-theists are.

Xtians on DU are free to prosyletize. Atheists on DU are not free to discuss anything beyond "I do not believe in god."

[Blue_Chill]

61. Sorry bro but I have to call you on that

Xtians on DU are free to prosyletize. Atheists on DU are not free to discuss anything beyond "I do not believe in god."

That is simply not true. Atheists are allowed to say just about anything they wish from 'religions are silly myths' to 'A Christian can not be a liberal' to 'Christians are sheep' I've seen them all and most never get deleted.


If you want to discuss why religion has begative effects on politics then do so, but I may have a different opion. Why can't I state it? I don't alert anything that isn't a real insult, so by allmeans go for it.

[leftofthedial]

66. I find it interesting that we both feel like victims

of some sort of double standard.

My personal experience is that I waded into what was apparently an established "tradition" of religious flame wars here, with my admittedly passionate commitment to atheism. I am anti-organized religion, but not anti-theist. I expressed some strong opinions and every time I have out and out made a statement like "religion is myth" or "religions prey on the superstitious" it is deleted.

That both sides feel agrieved is testament (pun intended :-) ) to the dangers of censorship.

I sympathize with Skinner and the mods, trying to set objective standards to govern a subjective issue and to apply them fairly to such a diverse and dynamic board.

I don't want religious flamefests to distract us from the business at hand of removing the Bush/PNAC cabal from power and restoring our full democratic society.

[Blue_Chill]

56. My post was deleted

what happened to not being over sensative? I guess that only works one way. Anyway I apologize if I offened all I was trying to say is that if you want to talk about sensative subjects try not to offend. Try not to make blanket statements.

[leftofthedial]

59. for what it's worth, I didn't complain (except to you)

about anything. I've never alerted the mods about insults, and have only discussed them with mods when defending my point of view in a deleted thread.

I was busy typing a response to the deleted post. Sorry about that.

I think the mods are very sensitive to these posts and keep a close eye out for even technical infractions.

Was it me you were calling an asshole? Fi so I missed it--and good one, Blue_Chill. You got me there.

[Cheswick2.0]

74. please post one thread as proof

that anyone was every told they were wrong for not being a christian. You can't. Please post one thread where someone was called stupid or sheeplike or crazy for not beleiving in God. You can not.

[Cheswick2.0]

37. So if I post that all African Americans are gang members....

because they are not smart as white people and there for a drain on society, that's okay with you?

[leftofthedial]

51. non sequitor

it is a fact that not all African Americans are gang members.

it is a fact that African American people are as smart as white people.

This is true bigotry.

But if I post the statement that the Bible includes fables, or that certain biblical stories are myths, or that religion is at its heart superstitious, the veracity of those statements is not objectively verifiable.

I see posts all the time that say "all republicans are evil" or "freepers are stupid." Is that bigotry?

[Blue_Chill]

53. hmm

But if I post the statement that the Bible includes fables, or that certain biblical stories are myths

True yet dishonest. You see no one bothers to say "inculdes" or "certain" they most often just throw out blanket statements. You know that I agree with on the fables thing, I wouldn't have aproblem with that at all.

As for myth, we've had this discussion the word carries a implied insult with it.

I see posts all the time that say "all republicans are evil" or "freepers are stupid." Is that bigotry?

Last I heard the word 'bigot' did not include political parties. I could be wrong.

[leftofthedial]

60. I have said "includes" and even referred to specific chapter and verse

as myth and had threads deleted.

Let's leave "includes" out of it. The statement that the Bible is mythology is (except on DU) a reasonable and defensible--if inflammatory--statement. Only here is it called "bigotry" (a gross distortion of the meaning of that word).

Free Republic is not a political party. My statements above, excluded by the rules or not, are clearly examples of bigotry.

[Blue_Chill]

62. For what it's worth I have never alerted one of your threads

As for myth while it is defensible it is also insulting because wether you like it or not it has an implied meaning. If you want to use it you will have to explain what you mean very well unless you want someone to object. If you have a problem with that blame those on your side of the fence that do nothing but lob insults, in that enviroment it is understandable for people to get touchy.

[Cheswick2.0]

75. please stop playing dumb

it really is not helping the situation.

Is there some reason some atheists feel compelled to convince others of their particular beliefs? I only ask because it is every bit as intrusive as the people who show up at my door pushing their brand of religion.

[sybylla]

83. Do Christians have some pathological need to deny the existance of any

other set of beliefs? I can't believe that a christian is bitching about having atheism shoved in their face! I'm sure it happens every day of the week and probably twice on Sundays.

Puhleeeze. Not the poor, down-trodden Christians whine. I guess one good whine deserves another. Atheists get christianity shoved down their throats day in and day out. And yet if we dare mention in front of a christian such as yourself that we are atheist and wish to invite discussion of beliefs, we are suddenly shoving our beliefs down your throat and being offensive. Talk about hypocrisy.

Crissakes, you people are in the majority. Why are your undies in such a bundle all the time?

[Atlant]

85. Because they aren't yet 100% of everyone.

(And lately, the tide has been running against them, and will
continue to run against them unless a catastrophe destroys
our pitiful excuse for a civilization and forces a return
to the dark ages.)

Atlant

[hunter]

65. Oh fuck, I'm Irish Catholic!

How did that happen? What exactly did they put in that water????

Nevertheless, you all know some of my best friends are atheists and queers, so I'm going to hell, for sure, for sure...

I tend to ignore most flamebait threads, especially MoPaul on bad days, but mostly I enjoy his stuff, even when he's an asshole.

No, I was never in the navy, but they taught me how to cuss. Them and the Ruskies.

Peace

[leftofthedial]

68. My bottom line is that DU is poorer for Mopaul's absence

Need the shit stirred on a regular basis or it starts to stink.

[Mandate My Ass]

69. DU is poorer-which is the reason this whole thread was started

but some people can't resist the urge to kick someone when he's not here to defend himself. Of all people, mopaul is probably least surprised by this nasty piling on by those who do not practice what they so vehemently preach.

[DemExpat]

73. Totally agree here!

We NEED Mopaul here on DU.

Someone go get him.....:D

DemEx

[Cheswick2.0]

76. not really

Mopaul choose to leave because he had some offensive posts pulled. He was offensive on purpose and he got called on it. It was his choice to leave. He could have changed his behavior instead.

[Room101]

70. MoPaul- I love your threads come back

I'm an atheist who shares the same sentiments as you, although I'm not able to articulate them as well as you. Get your ass back in here:) I have 12 people on my ignore list that is the only thing keeping me here.

[Cheswick2.0]

77. funny, I have no people on ignore and never have

:shrug:

[Forkboy]

80. Why are you so intent on shitting on this post Ches?

we know you dont like MoPaul...we got the hint about a dozen posts ago :eyes:

[Cheswick2.0]

86. I don't know Mopaul, how could I dislike him?

It was his need to be ignorant about religion and post purposeful flame bait I didn't like. However I like his art and his ideas on other topics.

[sybylla]

81. I don't blame MoPaul for leaving

According to the last three threads he started (found at his good-bye thread linked above) the admins took away his right to say who he was and state what he believed because, believe it or not, mere belief can be considered offensive and offensiveness is flame-bait around here. Kinda hard to feel like its worth it hanging around here if you are so hog-tied.

This isn't to speak against the mods. The religious debates occasionally crescendo rediculously around here at times and I can understand that they need to rein people in for a period of time. I'd like to assume it happens on both sides.

MoPaul, if you are reading this, :toast: I salute you for taking a stand on principle. You are too good for us.