Is there a legit argument against inter-racial dating or marriage?

[NewJeffCT]

Just out of curiosity, are there any legitimate reasons against inter-racial dating or marriage? I realize there are cultural differences, potential in-law problems, etc. and you will often have to overcome discrimination, but then you would have cultural differences if a white Connecticut Yankee married a down-home white Southern girl. But, I mean if you get past those things, is there an actual legit argument against it? (By the way, my 3 year anniversary of my inter-racial marriage is tomorrow!)

I ask because I am white and several years back, I had dated a supposedly liberal white woman. However, she was stridently against inter-racial dating for the reason of "it is just wrong." We actually almost broke up when I told her that the previous woman I had dated was a Filipina nurse and that I had dated quite a few black, Hispanic & Asian women through the years. Granted, that was not the entire reason for the break-up, but she later told me that she had almost called it off right there. It didn't last long enough for me to get into plumbing the depth of her feelings, though.

[MsAnthropy]

1. Absolutely not n/t

[Goldmund]

2. Wow, some fucking liberal that woman was

[judge_smales]

3. There's the usual one that right-wingers use when they have nothing else:

"Think of the children. Oh, GOd the children! They'll have it so hard putting up with all the teasing......!!" And so on.

[Iris]

86. Yeah. It's always about "the chiiiiiiiiiiildren" with them. n/t

[StopTheMorans]

4. only if you consider "racism" a "legitimate reason"

in other words, NO.

[skypilot]

5. "it is just wrong"

Wow!!! De ja vus. A gay I know said that to me about interracial dating and he is part Indian. And gay. I really don't know what to say about that kind of attitude coming from ostensibly liberal folks.

[skygazer]

6. No

It's just bigotry pure and simple. Cultural issues, in-law issues, those are all societal reasons and can be worked out by individuals. An actual legitimate reason? No. How absurd.

[sui generis]

7. it's immoral and it's in the bible and it's not traditional

don't you have moral values? You are everything that's wrong with society and will lead to the collapse of western civilization. Why, my own illegal gay marriage is in jeopardy now. . . /sarcasm :evilgrin:

[Lydia Leftcoast]

59. In the Bible? Actually, quite the opposite.

There's a passage (in Deuteronomy, I think) in which Moses marries a Cushite, or, in other words, an Ethiopian. When his sister Miriam criticizes him, she is given leprosy until she repents her racism.

[elfrangel]

83. OMG.....wish I had known about that back in the day....

BTW, the passage is found in Numbers 12:1-16.

[YellowRubberDuckie]

8. My mom freaks out...

She'll blanche and pretend to have shivers. But then again, she's a bigot and still uses the N word. Looks for excuses to use it in front of me.
Duckie

[yvr girl]

14. She uses the N word!!

I have only ever heard that word on TV etc. Never in person. I would be shocked beyond belief if someone used it in my hearing.

BTW, no reason at all. Depending on the people, you might need to try hard to bridge cultural difference or to deal with other people's views.

[YellowRubberDuckie]

19. Sweetie, she's done it my whole life.

It pisses me off, but there is no shock value in the word when it comes out of her mouth. She only does it because she knows it pisses me off.
Duckie

[realisticphish]

20. o god

don't come to where i live (rural ohio) except for my family and my friends, pretty much everyone down there is this close to being registered KKK members. which is wierd, cause i have NEVER encountered that anywhere else in ohio


:hippie: The Incorrigible Democrat

[yvr girl]

32. I think I'll stay in Canada

[Phillycat]

67. You've never heard someone use the n word?

Where the hell do you live??

[yvr girl]

76. Not in person

Canada

[Phillycat]

78. Golly. You'd better stay up there, then.

Because I've lived in 10 states and I haven't ever been through any of them, North or South, Blue or Red, that I haven't heard the n-word at some point.

[yvr girl]

81. That's incredibly sad

[Huckebein the Raven]

104. Take a trip down here and you'll run into someone who

feels it's safe to talk (i.e no non-whites around) will give you their real opinion.

[mazzarro]

17. I will have to acknowledge your wonderful contribution to tolerance

It is people like you that make us - true liberals/progressives - hope and fight for all that is right in humanity no matter how uncomfortable we may become in the process. Thanks for sharing this!

[NewJeffCT]

18. I was actually lucky that way

My parents love my wife now, and never really liked my ex-wife, who is white. And, it's not like my parents are open-minded hippies from the 60s or anything, either.

[achtung_circus]

9. It promotes mixing of the races

and the next thing you know "they'll" want to eat at the same resaturants, ride the same airplanes, no longer want to sit at the back of the bus,

ummmm,

never mind.

Well at least women can't vote yet. What? You're kidding!

Well can I still beat my kids?

Sigh,

Welcome to the 20th century.

[Sabriel]

79. More to the point, it promotes mixing of the blood

It dilutes the pure (white) bloodlines. Brought to you by the same people who still support physiognomy....

[achtung_circus]

88. One thing I can't get my head around

is the uniquely American concept that one drop of black blood makes one black. There are many people who have more Caucasian than African ancestors but they still seem to be labelled "black". Why the emphasis on labeling?

Who cares?

And why?

[Sabriel]

94. It's more than just a good idea...it's the LAW

At least, it was. Google "anti-miscegenation law" for further archaic and racist info. Sixteen states didn't repeal this until as late as 1967.

[Lerkfish]

10. no legit one I can think of.

unless you consider bigotry of others a legit reason, which I personally don't.

[ThorsHammer]

11. No (n/t)

[KatieCouric2008]

23. Definately not!

In my opinion, there is only one thing that a relationship needs to be real and that is LOVE.

This topic hits kind of close to home with me. 8 years ago, I told my family that I was lesbian. In time, they got over it, and learned to accept me for who I was. Over time, I fell in love with one of my co-workers who is an African American woman. To my surprise, my parents had more of a problem with me dating someone from another race than me dating someone from another sex.

They are still bothered about it, but I don't care. I love Tonisha, and she loves me - that's all we need. Support from your parents is a great thing, but it is not everything. We have now been together going on five years, and we couldn't be happier.

Now - to the point! Anyone who says that interracial marriage/dating is wrong is using the standard bigot logic and should be exposed as such.

[yardwork]

63. Welcome to DU!

[Bunny]

12. No. There are no legitimate reasons against it. None at all. n/t

[stlchic]

13. I can't think of a single one.

BTW...

Happy Anniversary!!!

:toast:

[nicolemrw]

15. this is the closest i can think of:

with some smaller racial groups, members may feel that if one marries outside the group their mixed-race children may leave the group and the entire group will be made less.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

26. Well, that's racism too.

It harms society less only because such minority groups tend to have less power. But it's racism nonetheless.

[nicolemrw]

30. well i'm not sure it is.

its a legitimate fear, especially for very small groups (like some indian tribes). if all the members married outside their group, they'd be just gone.

for larger, less specifically defined groups, its nonsense of course.

[dr.strangelove]

52. I don't think it is

While it is hard to define racism, I'll try for this limited purpose. I think for conduct to be racism, it must involve exclusion, restriction, or preference of an individual based on race, which nullifies or impairs their human rights and fundamental freedoms.
This is essentially how a class I took in law school defined racism.

I don't see how support of a racial identity can be considered racism. I think it is more about intent than result.

In many cultures, my own included, my community plays a heavy role in my racial identity. While I have many friends of a different racial background, I cherish my own. The idea that my race, and its unique cultural impact of the world, will ever cease to exist frightens me. I don't believe it is racism to strive to protect the longevity of this culture. If this means teaching your children of the value of marrying from within your own race, to continue to preserve the cultural identity, I don't see that as racism. It is a personal choice for an individual to make. If preserving the value of your racial culture guides you to refuse any relationship with someone from another race, I don't think it is racism.

The result may be same as someone who simply hates people from another race and refuses to have a relationship another race, but the reasons are very different. The latter is racism, while the former is not.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

55. My racial identity is Homo Sapiens. (nt)

[dr.strangelove]

65. Really, mine isn't

I'm glad you relate to the Homo Sapien race as a whole. I never have been able to do that, and to be honest, I'm glad that I don't. I love my culture. I want it to exist forever. My culture produced some of the greatest poets and artists in history (I may be biased since I am part of their culture, but I like them nonetheless). I want my culture to continue to survive. I want it to change with the modern world, but retain its identity and let its roots influence its future.

I don't want a melting pot where all cultures are boiled down so all of us are the same. I enjoy a wold where different races and their cultures co-exist. This is way I favor Affirmative Action. Not because I want to rectify some past wrong that white people did to minorities. I favor Affirmative Action because I think there is a value to racial and cultural diversity in the work, education and social environments. I don't want us all to be on one culture, there just does not seem to be any fun in that. I enjoy living in a multi-racial world.

[yardwork]

68. There is no biological foundation to the idea of "race"

All humans are very closely related to one another, far more so than other primates. Not only are we all the same species, we are all the same sub-sub-species, if you follow me.

There is so much similarity in human DNA, in any random matching an "African-American" might have DNA more similar to a "European-American" than the "European-American" would to another "European-American." There is virtually no diversity in the human genome. We are all apples - no oranges.

There are very real cultural differences between people, and some people correlate color of skin or religion with those cultural differences. To each his own, but I never use the term "race" because it doesn't exist in human terms.

[dr.strangelove]

70. Science or Reality

If science tells us that there is no difference at the molecular level between the races, but for 10,000 years of recorded history race has indeed been a significant issue in the world, I think science at the molecular level may not be the best base for couching a racial discussion.

You may believe the term race does not exist in human terms, but I think you are very wrong. Another wonderful field of science is the study of behavior. I took a wonderful class on animal behavior for my Bio-Chem BS. Human behavior was not offered in the sciences departments, but the sociology department had it. I took it as an elective.

Race exists. I don't know many scientists, and I work with quite a few, that would seriously argue that "race" does not exist. Race influences culture, and vice-versa.

Sure we could have all the races on earth mate each other out of existence. We would be a people of one skin color. But race is more than skin color, it is also culture. Is it scientifically possible? Sure. Do I want a gray world? No.

[achtung_circus]

98. The analogy is breeds of dogs.

A chihuahua and a Great Dane are genetically identical. There are physiological differences.

[Socialist Dem]

45. Thats the way some orthodox Jewish groups feel

If you are a Jew, and marry a gentile, then you're actively destroying your heritage.

"Fiddler on the Roof" demonstrates this. The father is able to compromise on everything except when one of his daughters marries a gentile. He struggles with the decision, but turns his back on her in order to stay true to tradition.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

54. I still can't swallow it

The impression such actions give me is some people love the "tribe" more than they love their own children. I find this abhorrent.

OK, so my daughter comes home and says she's in love with a nice young man. He happens to be Jewish/black/Japanese/whatever. SO FUCKING WHAT? I'll judge the fellow on his merits.

Mankind HAS to grow out of tribalism.

Edit: grammar.

[dr.strangelove]

71. Why would we want to grow out of tribalism?

No one is telling you to feel any way at all about you daughter's potential spouse. You can feel however you want. However, if I feel my culture will be injured by my daughter's decision to marry outside our culture, and that does not always mean outside her "race," than I am trying to explain why I don't feel my encouraging her to consider the impact on her culture as a racist action. I think forcing my daughter to marry anyone is a whole different issue, but discussing the value of tribalism is not racist.

I don't know why you are so opposed to tribalism.

[nicolemrw]

102. so don't.

no ones asking you to.

i assume your white, as am i. theres always gonna' be white eurpoeans (baring some totally unforseen global catastrophe), theres just so many of us. so it doesn't make sense to worry about losing that by a little intermixing.

but there may not always be, for example, montauk indians. (in fact, technically, they are gone.) and i think thats very sad. i think its almost as sad when a culture dies as when a species becomes extinct. diversity is a beautiful thing. its always a shame to lose it.

[arcane1]

16. but, don't we have to protect the white race?? from, er, something...

that seems to be the closest thing to an 'argument' that I've ever heard...

oh, and that it "ain't natural"

:eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes:

[sniffa]

21. yes

it may encourage more of those moraLLy, outrageous, monday night footbaLL promos.

[DelawareValleyDem]

22. No, and anyone who feels

there are legitimate reasons is free to date only people of their own race but has no right to prevent those who wish to from doing so.

[realisticphish]

24. Yes

our proud Aryan fathers will be ashamed of us :eyes:. ironic, cause the majority of "white" people are NOT really aryan. im slavic, mostly. I know one girl who likes a black guy, but won't date him, because her father will disown her. its insane, i thought we got through this LAST generation. sadly, personal experience proves otherwise




:hippie: The Incorrigible Democrat

[NewJeffCT]

27. I think family pressure prevents a lot of inter-racial dating

I'm sure my late grandfather would turn over in his grave if he knew I had dated some of them "colored folks", even though he was Sicilian and probably had a lot of discrimination to overcome in the 1920s & 30s...

I am also pretty sure that peer pressure prevents some of it, too.

[realisticphish]

34. definately

not so much where i am, on a college campus, but in other areas; the suburbs, white parents go apeshit, and in some urban areas, black parents go apeshit. (i know im generalizing, sorry) and, the same thing goes for freinds in those areas.


:hippie: The Incorrigible Democrat

[NewJeffCT]

37. the two times I heard things...

Only twice have I heard negative things when I was dating non-white women. One time was at a movie theater with a black woman and we got some comments from some black guys, and then other time was when I was with an Asian woman (not my wife) and heard some muttered comments from some white women. Nothing more than that, though.

When I was in China, we got tons of stares but no comments. But, I think that is more because of how unusual foreigners are there, even if "international" cities like Shanghai. Of course, the few times I was on my own there, I practically had women lined up to help me...

[Wallflower_Liberal]

25. Errr, no.

I've never heard a legit argument against it yet.

[pdx_prog]

28. yes, there is!

It makes the racists, the self righteous, and the fundies uncomfortable if they have to walk close to an interracial couple....they don't know weather to look at the ground, look away, or look at them.

Oh please, for all that is holy, do not put these lovely God fearing people in that situation.....just say no...

[DrWeird]

40. Sounds like a positive to me.

nt

[UpsideDownFlag]

29. uh.....what do YOU think? nt

[SnowGoose]

31. Depends on how much hot curry your partner uses...

and how much of a wus you are.

Or am I just projecting my own life on others again?

From my limited experience with genetics, I'd expect offspring from such a mixed union (assuming 1: the relationship is het, and 2: leads to offspring) to be better specimins than a more inbred strain of human from genetically similar parents.

But what do I know?

[Dukakis88]

33. Interracial dating makes ugly children...

Just take a look at genetic mutants like Jennifer Tilly, Halle Berry, Lisa Bonet, Mariah Carey. There ought to be a law against these abominations against nature. They is too sexay to live! They put sinful thoughts in my Christian brain and thus answer to Satan's call.

[skygazer]

80. Well, in the case of Mariah Carey

She is rather unfortunate looking, IMO. As a matter of fact, I think I'll go add her to the "People everyone but you think are hot" thread. I think she's butt ugly - okay body but not a pretty face.

[LoZoccolo]

35. I heard a black woman on /Donahue/ or something...

...(that's how long ago this was) say that since the black male is endangered they shouldn't be dating white women. I don't agree with this, but there you have one.

[Mark D]

36. Hmmm...

I think interracial dating is cool; I can't see why someone would get all worked-up about it. I can see some hiccups with cross-cultural dating, as accepted norms, body language and even humor, can be really different and possibly tension building... But I don't think that should stop someone from dating or marrying someone from another culture.

[AlanAdam]

38. No big deal anymore

I'm a Caucasian American dude married to a Chinese woman. Here in Wichita nobody gives us a second glance. Sunday at launch at a restaurant the couple at the table next to us were a black dude and white woman. There are so many white man/Asian woman couples here in Wichita that people don't seem to notice anymore. It seems to me that the only people who have had a problem with Bih-Jau and I have been older people. When BJ and I were considering marriage we talked to several American/Asian couples. They all told us that the our most difficult problems would have little to do with cultural differences, but would derive from the same personality differences that every couple experiences (and boy were they right).

[NewJeffCT]

42. "da shi qing, ma shi ai" & welcome to DU

ni hao - have you learned about that above phrase yet?

[AlanAdam]

48. No, tell me

I took to classes in Chinese at our local university, but I think I'm just too old to learn it. I could remember more from my 20 year-old high-school German than from a week-old Chinese lesson. Plus I could never master the tones.

[NewJeffCT]

50. well, I will make it short

But, we got legally married 3 years ago tomorrow, but we didn't have a formal wedding ceremony until May of 2002 as my wife's parents were not able to get a Visa in time for 11/24/01.

Anyhow, after marriage but before the wedding ceremony, I had noticed over time how Chinese wives or girlfriends always seemed to be yelling at their husbands/boyfriends and also hitting or kicking them. So, on the day of our wedding ceremony, I asked my wife about that and she told me about "da shi qinq ma shi ai", (or ma shi qing, da shi ai?) which roughly translates from Mandarin into "beating/hitting is intimacy, yelling/cursing is love" Luckily, my wife is so slim that she hurts herself more than she hurts me when she hits me!

FYI - qing is pronounced "ching" if you want to talk to your wife about it. Hopefully, you at least know that ai is love, as in "wo ai ni"

[sir_captain]

39. Man, I'd be really screwed

seeing as I'm a person of mixed heritage, it's pretty much impossible *not* to be in an inter-racial relationship!

[KamaAina]

41. It makes fascist bigoted nazis' heads explode

oh, wait, that's an argument for inter-racial dating and marriage! (as practiced here in Hawai'i by hundreds of thousands)

[UdoKier]

43. Sort of.

I'm married to a Japanese, so I'm well aware that there are MANY difficulties in sustaining such a relationship that as a young, lovestruck person you might not think of. I won't get into it here, but it truly is a huge challenge, especially when one partner's entire family is living on the other side of the ocean.

If my son were to start dating a person of a completely different cultural group, I would probably give some resistance, but if it was a nice person, and my son felt very strongly about it, I'd relent.

In a way, I think parents' typical resistance to their kids' entering into a mixed marriage may be a good thing. It provides a first hurdle in what will surely be a lifetime of challenges. If you don't love the person enough to overcome your parents' objections, then maybe it's not all it's cracked up to be.



That being said, I would never "forbid" my child to see anyone, except for criminals, republicans, or all-around mean people.

Ohmigod, I don't know what I'd do if my kid married a republican. I'd freak. Or if he became one himself! I shudder at the thought. Seriously.

[NewJeffCT]

46. my wife's entire family is overseas, too

she's trapped here with me, our daughter & my family! ;=)

[Champ]

44. There isn't a single one out there that is stopping me

I can't think of one either considering not all black people are the same, not all white people are the same, etc. So with any race you will encounter people you get along with and those you don't, if your relationship is strong, cultural differences, in-laws, etc won't matter.

[Monte Carlo]

47. I've heard that redheads are set for extinction

... because red hair is a recessive gene, and that given enough mixing of the gene pool, those who carry the gene will be too sparse.

I guess this is a very-long term issue.

[hippiechick]

51. Oh no ! I better get to reproducing some redheaded babies !!!

Any volunteers ? :evilgrin:


:hippie:

[KG]

95. me!

:hi:

[dr.strangelove]

53. My wife and I will carry the gene forward

I come from a red-headed celtic family. I have a red beard and red/brown hair. My wife is a stunning red head. Both of my sisters are red heads and married red headed guys too. We are doing our best to keep red-heads alive and strong.

[yellowcanine]

56. As long as there are people attracted to redheads (Yeah!), there is

no chance of losing the redhead gene - or redheads (Yeah!).

[yardwork]

69. Actually, recessive genes tend to hang on

precisely because they are recessive. They just keep hiding and turning up, generation after generation!

[sui generis]

72. everybody in my family is redheaded

except me. I'm a natural calico. Musta been adopted.

[no_hypocrisy]

49. The respective families of the couple perhaps.

If members of the family of the couple are antideluvian and have a real problem with interracial dating/marriage, those individuals will make the lives of the couple miserable. Even when there is no issue of interracial pairing, families conspire how to break up "undesirable" partners of their children.

The couple can face being ostracized if not outright disenfrancised from their families.

Also the couple may face the prospect of their children being refused recognition as family. That can be painful.

If the couple can overcome that real challenge to their relationship or if they can prevail despite it, then they should go for it. Love doesn't necessarily conquer all, but it has to be there and strong in order to get by the rough times.

[xpunkisneatx]

57. I once dated a guy who is Vietnamese...

And the only person that has a problem with it was his mother. My family was cool (except for my grandfather who is just way old fashioned). His mother would not let me in the house and even though she spoke perfect english, she would only speak vietnamese in front of me.

I was thinking about this...and the only thing I can see against interacial dating is that these communities have not been mixed for thousands of years. There is alot of genetic variation that occurs in these communities, and by mixing the gene pool we could have an increase in genetic disease. For example: The amish are an isolated community that only marry within their own group. Therefore, they have many genetic diseases that are more prevalent in their community. Occasionally, there are people who leave the amish church and go on to marry someone else. This causes the mutations within the amish genome to be expressed in other genomes, thus causing an increase in genetic disease. Same with Sickle cell...if we mix races enough, the incidence of sickle cell anemia will go up. Thats the only problem I can see.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

62. Actually, most of those genetic defects are recessive and

therefore are more likely to pop up when groups are inbred, like the Amish.

[xpunkisneatx]

73. Yes they are recessive...

But they are more common in those groups...therefore you would have a higher chance of finding someone else with the recessive haplotype if the races mixed. They would become more common.

[Piltdown13]

87. Actually, outbreeding would *help* this situation

It's really only a problem if you carry a certain recessive allele -- if you know, for instance, that you're a sickle cell carrier, then you might want to have genetic counseling before having children with an individual from one of the populations with a high frequency of sickle cell trait. In most cases, the chances that both individuals will be from different "racial" groups with similar genetic risk profiles is fairly slim.

As far as recessive alleles themselves becoming more common -- well, that will happen when carriers reproduce successfully, regardless of whom they reproduce with. I suppose the *frequency* of the allele might rise, as fewer individuals with two copies of the recessive (and presumably lower/zero reproductive success) are born when populations mix, but as far as deleterious effects, that's really only an above-average risk in inbred populations.

Edited to add: Not to mention, if a heterozygous carrier mates with someone from a different population, only about half his/her children would be expected to be carriers. With inbreeding, that person has a greater chance of mating with another carrier -- and from such a mating, about 75% of the children will also have at least one copy of the recessive allele.

Of course, all these risks are, for the most part, relatively small in any given mating, except in a few very high-risk populations.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

58. None

You may run into cultural differences, but you can run into that with two varieties of Europeans just as well as you can between people of different skin colors.

Besides, aside from outward appearance, race is a scientifically dubious concept. When it comes to things like DNA patterns, people whose ancestors came from opposite ends of the globe can be more genetically similar than people who look similar.

The ONE time I agreed with Dr. Laura (the ONLY time, I must add) was when I happened to hear her radio show (my mother had it on), and a woman called in and complained that her son was engaged to a woman of a different race. The caller was worried about "how society would treat them" and that "their children would suffer."

Dr. Laura's answer was, "You worried about how society will treat them, so you're going to treat them badly too?"

[sinkingfeeling]

60. Great timing. My son (35) called last night to tell me he's in love

with a black woman. I was taught that we're ALL one race...the human race.

[Spider Jerusalem]

61. No...I can think of quite a few in FAVOUR of it, but none against.

Bottom line: Exogamy is a GOOD thing.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

64. Made Me Think Of This Public Enemy Song...

I don't agree with the sentiment but it's a great song to listen to:

Pollywannacracka

Shocklee - sadler - ridenhour

She wants a lover right now
But not no brother
Her man gotta have a lotta money
To get under her cover
Now she’s a fine sister
But up here she’s missin’ it
She says she wanna learn about life
No old black bull shit
At the age of 15 a brother gave her a baby
She’s 19 now and it drover her crazy
And now everytime
She turns around
All the people in the neighborhood
Look and get mand and sing

Chorus

Meet mr. succesful
I guess he’s blessed yeah
But he happens to be a brother
Who only wants blue eyes and blonde hair
Now this young mister
He don’t like sisters
He couldn’t find that special one
He know why he missed her
He says sisters wasn’t good enuff
They only wanted his green stuff
That’s why everytime he turned
Around all the people
In the neighborhood
Looked and got mad
And sang

Chorus

I try to tell my people
There should not be any hatred
For a brother or a sister
Whose opposite race they’ve mated
No man is god
And God put us all here (yeah)
But this system has no wisdom
The devil split us in pairs
And taught us white is good, black is bad
And black and white is still too bad
That’s why everytime I turn around
All the people in my neighborhood
Look mad and sing....

Chorus
Top 5 — Public Enemy Lyrics
:

[kick-ass-bob]

66. I think bi-racial children are the most attractive

overall.
So the "think of the children" thing?
:shrug:

There should be much more of them.

[ZoCrowes]

74. I'll agree with that

There is a girl I know whose mother is Korean and father is South African. She is absolutely 100% SMOKING hot.

[NewJeffCT]

90. agreed with that

I used to work with a woman that I always thought was Greek (hubby was Greek & she took his last name) - but, she was really Korean & French Canadian. Did not look either, but was drop dead gorgeous. Nice woman, too.

And, I know this inter-racial baby is a future beauty from her Halloween pic...

[Brewman_Jax]

75. I don't have a problem with it...

since I'm a product of one. :party:

[Cuban_Liberal]

77. None that I can think of, offhand.

Since I'm multi-racial to begin with, like almost everyone of Cuban descent--- Caribe Indian, African, Spanish and God only knows what else--- I can't conceive of a good argument for being against it.

[GOPisEvil]

82. As the son of an American father and Japanese mother, I would say not!

[wyldwolf]

84. the only argument a sane person could make...

..would be that any children would be ostracized - and even THAT doesn't hold as much weight anymore with society being a bit more tolerant and with many famous figures being bi-racial (Halle Berry, Mariah Carey, Tiger Woods, etc.)

Just for the record, I'm a white male and have dated African American women (2) and I'm married to a very Italian-looking Italian-American. Yeah, I know that isn't really interracial but in college we were told by a College Republican that we were an interracial couple and were going to hell.

[Iris]

85. In the late 80s, when the Caeserean rate was through the roof

I read somewhere that part of the problem was people married outside of their ethnic groups, so sometimes babies fathered by men from groups that were larger were too large for a woman from a genetically small group's pelvis.

I don't think I really believe this, but it was offered as an explanation. Of course, it could come from a doctor like Bush's buddy who advises women to read scripture to cure PMS.

[complain jane]

89. Funny timing

I (a white woman) was just observing an African American man I work with, thinking that most of the African American men I know have the nicest bodies and smiles.

What the hell's wrong with it? I don't think I see race the same way some others do. I see it like a feature. Blue eyes, brown eyes, light skin, dark, who the hell cares it's all beautiful.

[donheld]

91. It's all racism sadly

:evilfrown:

[Pacifist Patriot]

92. Not a one.

[belladonna]

93. Only if you're a racist

Those assholes can argue all day about it

[Bat Boy]

96. Plenty of arguments...

Not a one of them legit.

[bliss_eternal]

97. Another IR marriage, here! Hi NewJeffCT...we should form a

DU group for IR married people, if there's enough of us...

No, I don't think there is a legit reason ever. Of course I am completely biased given my marital status, lol. But I've heard it all. My mil (who dh no longer speaks to) tried to act like she was so 'with it.' Yet my first few gifts from her had an 'ethnic' theme.

We also got the following kinds of comments from her:

When dh proclaimed he wanted to marry me- "Well, I worry about the challenges you will face..."

When dh told her that her friends had acted out in a racist manner toward us- " Well, surely you had to expect this sort of thing when you decided to have this kind of marriage..."

I've never been happier than when dh chose to move on without her and her bigoted offspring and their wives.

Another of his bros. has married IR but doesn't even get what bigots his family are. So sad to me. They had a child this year and don't even see the way they are treated--it's right under his nose. I had hoped he would get a clue by the time the kid came along, for her sake.She shouldn't be subjected to their ignorance, but he refuses to see how stupid they are. So it didn't happen unfortunately for the baby.

[Left Is Write]

99. No, there's not. (nt)

[PatsFan2004]

100. Since I am Asian and my wife is white, I have also considered

this issue.

Being cognizant of the societal issues, the two issues that we had to face was the effect of discrimination on our children and the hindrances to our goals to help others in our church and community. A mixed couple often finds that doors are closed to helping others in need because of prejudice, culture, or religious beliefs.

[Phentex]

101. No. Just plain no............... nt

[Maestro]

103. I married a Mexican-American and now

my kids are 1/4 Mexican. My relationship is interracial and I have no problems with it.

[nicedream815]

105. no

nuf said