Are you interested in seeing the Babes of Sorry Everybody?

[The Sushi Bandit]

Poll question: Are you interested in seeing the Babes of Sorry Everybody?

http://www.sorryeverybody.com/ is a great site.. I have spent many moments looking at everyone's photos.

Then it hit me!

How bout a "Babes of Sorry Everybody"? I mean there a lot of very good looking ladies there!

Tell me what you think...Its all public domain... right??

[madison2000]

1. What about the hottest available guys on Sorry Everybody?

[The Sushi Bandit]

4. I dont think of guys as hot

.. but if you want to do one I think it's a great idea too!

Go for it!

[RandomKoolzip]

2. How about the "Babes of Werenotsorry.com?"

Oh, wait the hot chicks on that website are all cut and pasted from softcore porn sites. The only people who actually posted their pictures on there were ugly, dispeptic males with guns and outsized persecution complexes.

[The Sushi Bandit]

6. LOL... there are only 4 pix on that whole site

lame asses!

[purduejake]

203. Uh, not anymore.

There are tons.

[ET Awful]

3. Those two look more like babies than babes :)

Are they even old enough to vote? :) :) :)

[realisticphish]

5. go for it

but prepare to duck and run; there have been some skermishes heralding another gender war

:hippie: The Incorrigible Democrat

[Kire]

7. there are some hot babes on apologiesaccepted.com, too

[The Sushi Bandit]

8. I noticed some dup pictures between those sites

[imenja]

9. What are you a pedophile?

that girl looks about 14.

[The Sushi Bandit]

13. How old are you??? 80?

Your reference point is all wrong!

and remember you can vote at 18!!

[imenja]

16. 43

and proud of it. There is no way she is 18.

[The Sushi Bandit]

17. It looks like she goes to Stanford..

You should have voted for "Are you a Pervert or something?"

[Endangered Specie]

10. Wow that Marie girl is fine!

:D:D

[The Sushi Bandit]

15. Here is another!

[obreaslan]

11. Absolutely!

Here's one to get started with...

[RagingInMiami]

12. beautiful

[The Sushi Bandit]

14. Thanks! I already have 122 so far!

[JohnKleeb]

18. its fine with me

but I know some fine ladies who voted Kerry, and plenty more who would have.

[The Sushi Bandit]

19. 17 vrs. 7 think it's a good idea!!

Progressive women are sexier than repuke slugs

[donheld]

20. Are there any "babes" who are not 12?

These girls look far to young for those kind of thoughts. What would you say of one of us gay guys posted pictures of boys this young? :spank:

[realisticphish]

21. young for you, perhaps

but all these girls look at least 17, and since im 19 its all good


:hippie: The Incorrigible Democrat

[The Sushi Bandit]

24. I must assume they are all old enough to vote!

[Abelman]

22. Wow

Those are some cute young ladies.

[The Sushi Bandit]

23. It's 22 positive to 10 neg.. but I need more feedback!

[Ian David]

25. It's perfect

A calendar called "The Hot Chicks of Sorry Everybody."

Because nothing goes together better than guilt and masturbation.

[The Sushi Bandit]

28. LOL!!

[jobycom]

26. Nothing like subverting a powerful political statement on one of the

most horrific events of our time into a purile sexual fantasy.

Men. Sometimes I'm ashamed to be one. Othertimes, it's fun.

[BiggJawn]

27. Hey, even Warriors get "rotated off The Line" SOMETIMES!

So we look and drool and then it's back to "go getting those Bush Bastards!"

[jobycom]

29. Yes, but while the warriors are on the line

shouldn't their best efforts at waging the war be honored, rather than used as masturbation material?

[RagingInMiami]

30. I think the fine ones should be in a playboy spread

[jobycom]

34. Well, as long as they get paid

I'm not against anyone getting tons of money for their patriotism. Beats the hell out of a Republican getting it.

[noiretextatique]

45. one of the fine ones might knock your fucking teeth out

for making that suggestion. or maybe her boyfriend, brother or father would do it. YOU DO realize that suggestion might not be flattering to a woman, don't you?

[The Sushi Bandit]

31. masturbation material? thats not the intent!

Appreciating a lovely lady who is also a caring progressive is the intent.. get you mind out of the gutter!

[jobycom]

36. Get your mind out of the Nile

C'mon, I'm a man, not your girlfriend. I've used that same line often enough. Nudge, nudge, wink, wink.

I'll stick to appreciating their lovely patriotism and their caring souls, as they intended when they submitted their photos, regardless of what they look like on the outside.

[FizzFuzz]

64. exactly! That sleazy bag O' weasel words will only fool some people.

Mostly the immature or desperate women guys who rely on that crap like to rub up against in meat markety bars. Or subways.

Thanks for your excellent awareness, jobycom! You articulate the issue perfectly! :hi:

[SemiCharmedQuark]

98. Beautifully put.

Thanks.

[BiggJawn]

42. As long as it's in private, what does it matter?

So it was wrong for Betty Grable and the rest of Hollywood's "Pin-Up Girls" to pose in WWII?

Next you'll be calling me "sexist"
I gotta remind you, Homee don't "play" PC....

[jobycom]

49. Pin up girls were posing to be pinned up

That was their intention. It isn't the intention of the people on sorryeverybody.com to be used as pinups. If they want to pose for Playboy, cool, I'll look at them their. But it should be their choice.

What pisses me off is when someone who is trying to make a statement or just live her life is suddenly pinned up because of juvenile sexual fantasies that have nothing to do with what she was trying to do.

Let's hound our own into the ground, why don't why? Let's take all the cute babes who actually identified with our cause and tried to be taken seriously and make a political statement that should be made, and let's turn them into hotties for our male enjoyment. Let's spread their images all over the web as the objects of desire so fat old men can live some fantasy whacking off to them. That's the best way to get people involved in our cause, isn't it? That's the best way to show that we hold all people to be equal, that we believe in equal opportunity for all, that we respect the rights of others. What better way to respect another person than to use her without her will to jack off?

Play PC, homey. It'll make you a better person, even if you have to work a little harder and make more sacrifices to do it. You can live up to your ideals, and show the world what you believe, or you can live for your own pleasure like a goddamned Republican, not giving a shit about others. Your choice.

[realisticphish]

53. look

i am not "whacking off" to these pictures. i think, wow, our side has a lot of attractive young women, and move on. thats it. are we supposed to ignore attractive people now, just because they are liberal?


:hippie: The Incorrigible Democrat

[jobycom]

70. We are supposed to treat people as people

regardless of whether they are attractive or not, women or men, or whatever. Why are you a liberal if you don't get that?

If you think they are attractive, fine. The issue is whether you take their political statements as seriously as those of the others, or whether you single them out for physical admiration and objectification because of their looks. What does that say about your opinion of their statement. She says "I am passionately opposed to our political role in te world today." You say, "Hey, you're hot! Let me stare at your face for a while!" You don't see the problem there?

And for that matter, what does it say about your opinion of the others who posted there? "You aren't cute, so I don't honor your opinion?"

The site wasn't put up for eye candy. It was put up for political statements. Use it that way. There're plenty of "attractive young women" presenting themselves for your inspection in magazines, television and the movies.

[HalfManHalfBiscuit]

94. Give it a rest

They are all making the same political statement - basically "we are sorry" - so the issue of taking one person's statement more "seriously" than another's does not apply. You either take the statement seriously or you don't.

As for compliling photos of attractive women (or men), I am not a prude about it. People know that when they post their photos on the internet they may be subject to downloading or photoshopping among other things.

[jobycom]

99. No, I won't

This is personal to me, so I won't give it a rest, and thank you for deciding that my opinions should be given a rest.

As for being a prude, I'm not either. THis isn't about compiling pictures privately, it's about compiling pictures on a public, international forum meant to represent the views of a certain political spectrum. Part of my views is that such a compilation is sexist and antithetical to my views. So I'll keep stating that, thank you.

[ContraBass Black]

148. Do you find it innapropriate to give physical complements at all

to people who only came to make a political statement?

For example, what did you think and feel when peole told Elizabeth Edwards she was pretty?

[jobycom]

166. Yes, actually

I don't know exactly what incident you are talking about with Elizabeth Edwards, but I don't like hearing a woman's looks commented on when she is there to talk about something else. People don't tell Bill Clinton he's lovely every time he sits down, why they should fawn over a woman in the same situation? If she's there to talk about politics, she should be asked about politics.

If the conversation has something to do with appearance, then go for it. People commented that John Edwards had the babe factor. That was a legitimate issue, since people are influenced by a candidate's looks. But if every time John Edwards sat down to talk to Tim Russert, old Tim said, "John, you look very lovely this evening," people would start to question Tim's sexual orientation. Why? Because that's not an appropriate comment to make about men. So why is it appropriate to make about women in the same situation?

[ContraBass Black]

169. What about in casual situations, when meeting a person,

Or when appearance has not already been mentioned?

[jobycom]

173. Depends on the situation

If it's a social occasion, you act social. If it's professional, you act professional. If you can't separate the two, say for instance a company picnic, you act professional, especially towards people who work for you.

There's nothing complicated about it. When in doubt, ask yourself if there is a possibility someone will not welcome comments on their looks, or will misunderstand your intention. If so, then don't do it. Common respect, common decency, should take over.

Read this thread, you'll see that it offends many people. You don't have to understand why. You just have to understand that it does.

[ContraBass Black]

182. I do understand that it does, and understanding why and whom

Will help me relate to people better.

Often, upon meeting me or seeing me dressed up, people will call me handsome, especially my friend's mothers or ladies in church or at school or speaking events. This has always pleased rather than bothered me. I expect that exactly the same behavior would be less accepted by almost everyone if directed towards a woman by men. Is all of this proper?

[jobycom]

233. Power differential

As a man you don't belong to a group that makes 60% less than the opposite gender for the same work. You don't belong to a group that is told you have to be subordinate to your spouse, you don't belong to a group where violent crimes are perpetrated on you simply because of your good looks, you aren't held back from promotions because of your gender because people are afraid you'll get pregnant and leave or because you turn down too many advances or conversely accept too many advances.

When you make a woman's looks an issue in a situation where they are not supposed to be an issue, for instance on sorryeverybody.com where the political message is supposed to be the issue, then you switch the focus from her contributions to her looks, and all of the above issues-- all at least partially related to men treating women as sex objects rather than as people-- come into play. It may be harmless the time you do it. But the overall weight of that attitude towards women in society is what causess the problem.

Of course, use judgement. I've told female coworkers I liked their new hairstyle, or a handbag or outfit they were wearing, usually when it was obvious they were proud of it. And always in a context where it was obvious I was complimenting their choice or their taste, not their looks. And always in a situation where I could compliment a man and not feel awkward. "Cool tie, Scott." "Love the haircut, Julia." But never in a way that I couldn't compliment a man. "Wow, you look hot in that little skirt, Cheryl," would be out of line. Basically, if you wouldn't say it to a man, you shouldn't say it to a woman in the same circumstances.

In a social situation where such interaction is expected, it's a different story. If you go too far in that situation, a woman can tell you to shove off with worrying about hurting her career or family or reputation.

[RagingInMiami]

237. That's bullshit to genarlize the two genders like that

Some women make much more money than men. Don't take out your frustrations on every man out there.

[jobycom]

247. Sorry, you're wrong

Even Bush's Department of Labor stats show that women make less than men in the same jobs with the same experience. I'm sure Britney Spears makes more money than you, but that was obviously not my point.

[CTLawGuy]

189. why...

" You don't have to understand why. You just have to understand that it does."

... does this remind me of Fox News?

[jobycom]

236. No

FOx News doesn't want you to understand, they just want you to accept it. I do want you to understand, but if you don't, you can still see the consequences of your actions. If your intention is to upset people and treat them rudely, than pay no mind. If you prefer to respect people and treat them accordingly, then whether you understand it or not you can see what angers people, and respond accordingly. For instance, I don't personally understand why spitting in the face of Republicans and calling them babykillers is wrong, since they are, but since that offends too many people, I limit that reaction as much as possible.

[CTLawGuy]

154. "We are supposed to treat people as people"

and everyone knows "people" have no attractiveness...

and only "objects" are sexual...

[Name removed]

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Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[jobycom]

107. I will certainly apologize

If you show me one place I personally attacked you.

I have no other response except to suggest you read the post again, more carefully.

As for my post being personally insulting, that's not the same as a personal attack. If you were insulted, sorry I wasn't more PC, but nothing I said was aimed at you specifically.

[noiretextatique]

44. what you said

"subverting a powerful political statement on on the most horrific events of our time into a purile sexual fantasy" :eyes:
:shrug: who cares about your political consciousness? shoe us your tits and spread for us in playboy :puke:
thanks, jobycom :hi:

[FizzFuzz]

32. sadly it appears that there are DU men no different than freepy fucks

Banner on NotSorry-- about gay hating, unless they're two hot chicks.

As usual, when it comes to women, poontang is all that matters.

Fuckability quotient.

When black people here call out racist remarks, it gets taken seriously and everyone engages in heartfelt, respectful discussion.

When gay folks here point out homophobic attitudes, self-reflection and appologies are forthcoming.

When women are, once again, reduced to life support systems for tits and ass, its a joke. "OOOH buddy, watch out you're gonna start the gender wars again. hyuk hyuk"
I don't care about that little bitty brain. Or who you are. Or what your rights are.

Give me pussy!

Or give me death.

:nuke:

[RagingInMiami]

33. Our penises don't follow politics

[FizzFuzz]

38. sexual maturity and fitness to participate in society as an adult

depends upon one's ability to react responsibly to physical sensations or urges.

I want to puke on men who whine about the the supremacy of their penile quiverings.

[RagingInMiami]

39. What are you talking about?

We're looking at pictures, not stalking or raping these women. We're alive, not dead.

[FizzFuzz]

41. what am I talking about? I already said it in my first post,

Your response was to make excuses for your wee wee.

I'm bi and, I aint dead and I know what a turn on is. But being a woman, I also know the difference between setting aside a physical urge and remembering that women are human beings worthy of respect.

and remember, this focus solely on tits and ass is something women put up with all day long everywhere. It gets tiresome. We get sick of men never willing to reflect on how their trivializations make women feel.

[RagingInMiami]

43. it's not just tits and ass

it's a pretty smile, nice eyes, silky hair -- it's the whole package. And just because we find a woman attractive, doesn't mean we are dispespecting her or any other women in our presense, unless, of course, it is our significant other.

EDIT: I responded that way because you compared the men here to the freepers just cause we are finding certain women attractive. You can call me a dog, but don't call me a freeper.

[noiretextatique]

46. right...

keep telling yourself that.

[The Sushi Bandit]

47. I noticed that your gender is Undeclared

so I dont expect you to understand the different levels of men's apreciation of beauty.

[noiretextatique]

48. please...i understand you boys and your weenies perfectly

surely you don't think you are the first adolescent boy to post your masturbation fantasies here, do you?

[The Sushi Bandit]

60. LOL.. give it a break! your toooo serious!

it's just about pretty girls! nothing more.

[noiretextatique]

63. sure...isn't this a political site?

like that one? it's an interesting political statement...oh never mind :eyes: way too serious...continue with your masturbation fantasy...

[Kire]

175. no, it's not

this is the Lounge

besides, there are a ton of posts about Hot men here

[noiretextatique]

209. this is the lounge of a poltical site

and you can bet...i never posted or commented in a hot men thread here either. there's playgirl...and then there's playboy, hustler, penthouse, and all the rest, ad nauseum. so do not pretend it's all equal in the objectification department between the genders...cause it's no where near equal. and...i was also referring to the political site from which the oogler got the pictures.

[RagingInMiami]

214. This may be a lounge of a political site

But that only means were are all left-leaning people. It doesn't mean we have to talk politics in every damn forum. That is why they call it the lounge.

[noiretextatique]

220. the personal is political

haven't you heard? i don't assume everyone here is left-leaning...many say they are, but there is a wide range of opinion here. there are lots of political posts in the lounge...just the nature of the beast.

[Kire]

226. From 'The Rules'

Posts that are unrelated to politics or public policy belong in the Lounge or the Meeting Room.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules.html

[noiretextatique]

244. uh huh

no rule against poltical discussions in the lounge.

[FizzFuzz]

75. Give it a break--You're too wedded to your turn ons.

you're a white boy, aren't you?
Bet you interrupt women when they talk. Bet you have no problem with women occupying second class status.
Bet you make fun of fat chicks, or any female not babealicious enough for you.
Bet you think you're virtuous for being a politically socially aware democrat.

Here's what its about, from a previous post which you clearly couldn't be bothered to read:

well christallmighty I've seen threads here with men remarking on their inability to listen to anything women say because all they can do is think of hot naked chicks.

It affects every aspect of women's lives. Jobs. Pay. Social interactions. Judicial system. Education system. Walking about attending to one's daily life. Viagra ads everywhere.

Do you have any inclination to cease the perpetual dick-stroking and try to empathize?

[jobycom]

61. My gender is undeclared too. So now we have to worry about gender

as well as post counts.

Sushi, if you need proof that you are wrong, look at how much trouble you are having to go through to argue that you are right. You are basically arguing that you are right because your male urges make you right, and others are wrong because they are just females who don't understand. That's as undemocratic as you can get, and it does make you sound like a Freeper. If that label insults you, you should attack the cause of the label, not the person wondering if you are one.

There's nothing wrong with being attracted to who you are attracted to. I'm as lusty as the next man, probably more so. It's not about lust, it's not even about sex, it's about context. Women posing nude in Playboy are cashing in on your urges. They are allowing you to use them. WHile I have a problem with the cultural implications of nudie mags and what they teach us to value, at least the women are there for you to oogle by their own choice. What you are talking about is taking women who are trying to make a political statement and oogling them. That's little better than mirrors on your shoes or cameras in restaurant bathrooms.

Maybe you just aren't old enough to grasp that. But look at the reaction here from the women who have bothered to post, rather than simply skipping your thread in disgust. That should tell you more than it apparently is telling you.

[The Sushi Bandit]

66. Give it a break! your (also) toooo serious !

Did I say Playboy? No
Did I say Masterbation? No

it's just about pretty girls! nothing more.

I am very comfortable in my skin.

[Name removed]

73. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[FizzFuzz]

77. I've seen plenty of sad remarks concerning dead girls--"oh how sad. and

she was so pretty" I've seen it here and elsewhere.

now that's tragic. Only pretty girls matter.

[jobycom]

90. Ah, but don't you get it, these are completely harmless desires

We aren't talking about masturbating or Playboy, here, we just like to look at pretty girls, and that has absolutely no deeper repurcussions in our society and our culture. Right?

These kids who want to just stare at pretty girls should wander to the police station and look at pictures of missing persons. They can find all the pictures of pretty young girls they want down there.

[The Sushi Bandit]

110. Hey! check out this thread!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=105&topic_id=2120037#2121231

[CTLawGuy]

157. How are the women harmed

when we say how attractive they are?

[jobycom]

167. How are African Americans harmed

when people tell them how articulate they are?

[The Sushi Bandit]

170. You really going out on a limb with that!

Don't see any relevance for that position in this discussion.

[jobycom]

174. Then try harder

When you do see it, maybe you'll understand.

Look, you don't even have to understand. Just read this thread. Your suggestion offended a lot of people. Whether you understand why isn't the issue anymore. You absolutely refuse to accept that anyone who is offended has the right to be offended. That's the issue. Their opinions are dismissed because they are the opinions of women. If that doesn't make you examine your assumptions, then... I just don't understand why you are on DU, I guess. There are plenty of sites just for oogling.

[CTLawGuy]

187. that is based on what

"Their opinions are dismissed because they are the opinions of women"

Can you find any statement made by the poster that validates that accusation????

Otherwise, please don't make assumptions about people's motives.

[smirkymonkey]

235. You know, just from reading your threads in this post, I naturally

assumed you were either a teenager or guy in his early 20's. Imagine my surprise when I saw your photograph in the gallery.

You are being intentionally obnoxious and obtuse and if I had to take a guess, I would say you are single, right?

[CTLawGuy]

186. they're not

NT

[SemiCharmedQuark]

188. Oh really? Because there are studies that suggest they are.

These studies show that blacks perform worse on tests if they are asked their race than if they are not. This suggests that in their minds, people are aware of the stereotypes that come with race and gender and it affects them in their performance.

To make it even more clear: A person of african american persuasion who is quite skilled verbally will do WORSE on a test because of the constant repetition of the idea that blacks are bad at grammar and pronunciation.

[CTLawGuy]

190. if they are not asked their race,

how does anyone know which test taker was of which race?

and to clarify... The poster asked me how AA's are harmed if they are called ARTICULATE,

NOT INarticulate.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

193. Because it was a scientifically controlled experiment.

They took two groups of blacks. The first was given a test where the first question asked them their race. The second was just given the same test sans the race question. Consistantly the first group performed better on the test than the second group. And of course, the experiment was repeated and continues to be with the same results.

And that is NOT what the poster asked. Reread:

"How are African Americans harmed when people tell them how articulate they are?" This suggests stereotypical comments. Perhaps you misread it.

[CTLawGuy]

199. how articulate am I SUPPOSED to think they are?

I think many of them are very articulate, such as Al Sharpton, Martin Luther King Jr., Jesse Jackson. I interpreted the situation as a compliment.


I dont think I'm the problem here........

[CTLawGuy]

201. also, your "experiment"

would tend to the conclusion that we should abolish the concept of race. It showed that if black kids dont think of themselves as "black" then they do better. maybe we should work to abolish race as a social concept.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

204. Not MY experiment, perhaps you should look into it yourself if you want

the specifics about it.

The poster who brought up this concept was speaking about the general world, not you. If you think without race being a factor, that's brilliant. I don't know anyone else in the world that can do that. You really should share with the world your secret to success.

[noiretextatique]

205. LOL...why am i not suprised

abolish white privilege, you know, the benefits white folks bestow upon themselves and their whiteness, and black kids won't learn that there's something "wrong" with being black, as this culture teaches them.
hmmm...same thing applies to women. could it be that some folks need to give up their entitlements and privileges? :eyes:

[The Sushi Bandit]

191. Don't see any relevance for that position in this discussion.

we went from attractive progressive ladies to black stereotypes?

[SemiCharmedQuark]

194. That is all that you see because you are blind to other opinions

that shatter the illusion that people agree with you. But this is not the first genderwar that you have started. Therefore, it leads me to believe that you either like getting people aggravated or you don't care.

[noiretextatique]

208. the privilege of privilege

one might say :hi:

[smirkymonkey]

252. Ding, Ding, Ding!

We have a winner. Right on both counts.

[jobycom]

239. They are both stereotypes

You are furthering gender stereotypes. You seem to understand, unlike some posters, why calling a black man articulate is bad. It's the exact same stereotypical approach that you are applying to women. When yousay "He's articulate for a black man," or the shortened, "He's articulate," you are implying that this is to be commended in a black man because it is rare. The insult isn't necessarily to the man you are talking about, it is to everyone else.

Same with this. "These women are hotties." More stereotypes. You place the emphasis on looks rather than on what their original purpose was. You take away from the contributions they make to the site, and you simultaneously imply that those who are not hotties are not as good, based not on their contributions, but on their looks.

The worst part is, this is a value system that women have fought to overcome for centuries. In America it is still a series problem, and as a liberal, you should get that. This value system which allows or encourages women to be thought of only in terms of their looks creates the inequalities in the work place and in medicine and in the judicial system. It makes women targets of stalkers. It causes or furthers the problems that Democrats are generally concerned with overcoming.

That's the issue. I can't help but think that you are willfully trying not to understand it. I can't help but wonder what you are doing with threads like these. They appear, to me, to be attacks on feminism, much as I would expect a Freeper to do. Not a Democrat.

Racism, mysogeny, homophobia are all different aspects of the same type of bigotry. That's how race crept into this discussion.

[ContraBass Black]

230. How are whites harmed

when people tell them how articulate they are?

Please explain your post further. I seem to be missing the point.

[noiretextatique]

207. ask your sister, mother, girlfriend, etc

about how it feels to get unwanted attention and comments about their bodies. of course this situation is a little different, but...ask some women you know, and see what they say.

[RagingInMiami]

212. When my mother posts a picture of herself on the internet

and complains about how all these guys are ogling her, I will tell her she had it coming.

[noiretextatique]

213. typical...ask her about her life, sonny

ask her about being a young woman walking down the street. and if your mother posted a picture on a poltical site, if you think "she had it coming"... :wtf: you are one callous bastard.

[RagingInMiami]

215. I don't know why the hell do you have to bring people's mothers

into the conversation, especially if you don't me from adam. And if my mother posted a picture of herself posed in the provocative manner that these girls did, you goddamn right I will tell her she had it coming.

[noiretextatique]

217. those pictured could very well be of someone's mother

and didn't you recommend the fine ones for a playboy spread? since when is a woman sitting in a car, or (it looks like) reading somehing considered "provacative?" :eyes:

[RagingInMiami]

218. I've already apologized for the playboy comment

so let it go. You really got some issues. I'm done with this bullshit. Later.

[noiretextatique]

219. "provacative"....please answer that one

a woman sitting in a car...a woman who looks like she's reading something :shrug: what's "provacative" about that?

[smirkymonkey]

76. Then find another site - there are plenty of them devoted to just

this kind of thing.

[The Sushi Bandit]

40. So I must ask... dont you enjoy looking at a good looking man??

[FizzFuzz]

50. what I enjoy looking at wasn't the point of my post.

My point was the continual refusal of men to respect women when we say "this insults us" This society is misogynistic as hell, the constant focus on women as nothing more than TandA ...well christallmighty I've seen threads here with men remarking on their inability to listen to anything women say because all they can do is think of hot naked chicks.

It affects every aspect of women's lives. Jobs. Pay. Social interactions. Judicial system. Education system. Walking about attending to one's daily life. Viagra ads everywhere.

Do you have any inclination to cease the perpetual dick-stroking and try to empathize? Women are usually quick to empathize when men have a complaint, but the reverse is rarely seen. And as I said a moment ago, any other minority group here can expect to be listened to respectfully when they speak up on issues affecting them. But anytime women say this constant twatification pisses us off, oh well then its time for a gender war.

[The Sushi Bandit]

56. Speaking of Gender Wars.. here is the video game I produced

in 1996. women vrs. men... it was a lot of fun!

[jobycom]

37. Amen. nt

[realisticphish]

51. did we SAY

that is all that matters? NO. For christ's sake, we think women are attractive. bottom line. and just because we think a woman is attractive does not mean we are knuckle-dragging drooling monkeys saying "ogg want wo-mahn." NOWHERE in this thread did anyone disrespect women, that I can see. we dont KNOW what their personalities are. so visual is what we have left. when someone passes a person they find attractive, THEY LOOK AT THEM. they dont think, well gosh, i better not look, cause then i wouldnt be taking their personalities into account. my whole life, i have respected women. the ones i like above all others are smart, funny, and sarcastic (for some reason). but that doesnt mean i cant think that a woman is pretty


:hippie: The Incorrigible Democrat

[noiretextatique]

54. really...someone suggested "the fine ones" should pose for playboy

do you think that's some kind of compliment? if you do, i'd like you to meet my lovely friend felicia...beautiful, and a kickboxer.

[RagingInMiami]

58. I would love to meet her

Is she single?

[noiretextatique]

why don't you ask her?

and suggest she pose in playboy. tell me if you still have your teeth afterwards :D

[RagingInMiami]

71. I would never suggest that to a woman I am actually seeing

[noiretextatique]

74. i see

just to other women :eyes:

[RagingInMiami]

78. Look

I'm sorry that comment offended you so much. As a guy writing from my house, it's hard to remember that I am actually conversing in a "lounge" filled with mix sexes.
If most men are honest, they will admit they act and talk differently when they're with "the guys" as opposed to being with mixed company.
My comment was just that. As if I'm sitting around with a bunch of my guy friends watching football and admiring the cheerleaders.
If a woman walks into the room, our attitudes change.
I'm sure women act differently too when they're "with the girls".

[The Sushi Bandit]

82. Very well said!

[FizzFuzz]

83. if a woman walks into the room, your attitude doesn't change.

You just ACT AS IF you haven't been rating the twat. Twat so kindly provided for your delectation on good old family values TV.

Bet as soon as she walks out of the room, probably to bring you a beer, you good ol' guys complain about her fat ass.

[RagingInMiami]

84. What can I say

I have no "morals".

[nickgutierrez]

123. Talk about sexist...

:eyes:

[noiretextatique]

86. you didn't offend me

i understand where you're coming from, and i think you know that some people might be offended by the presumption that DU is an all-male locker room, when it is a public forum frequented by all kinds of people, including women.
however, i do think you know your suggestion might very well be offensive, particularly to the women you'd like to see naked in a magazine. and since this isn't a locker room, you aren't insulated from my perspective.
thanks for your honesty and the clarification.

[jobycom]

109. Ah. Just to women you're looking at? But wait

why wouldn't you suggest it to someone you are seeing? Are you saying you have a problem with a woman you are seeing posing for Playboy, being oogled by men such as yourself? Or are you saying that you would be afraid she would be insulted?

Because if you wouldn't want someone you are seeing being treated the way you are suggesting treating women you aren't seeing, then you prove the point others have been trying to make to you.

[realisticphish]

59. of course its not

that person is a douchebag. my bad for not seeing it. so one guy think s that. well then, we must all think that, musnt we?


:hippie: The Incorrigible Democrat

[noiretextatique]

62. of course not....

but you did say there weren't any disrespectful comments in this thread...just pointing that one out to you.

[realisticphish]

68. im glad you feel good about that nt

[RagingInMiami]

65. "You need people like me so you can point your finger and say

'That's the bad guy.' So what does that make you, good? You not good, you just know how to hide, how to lie. Me? I don't have that problem. Me? I always tell the truth - even when I lie. So say goodnight to the bad guy. It's the last time you're gonna see a bad guy like this."
Scarface, 1983

Yea, so I'm the douchebag because I suggested "the fine ones" pose in a Playboy spread. As if Playboy hasn't featured girls from Wal-Mart and Target and universities across the country and paid them well.
If a woman wants to pose naked in Playboy or anywhere else for that matter, it's her choice. Isn't that what being a liberal is all about?

Tell me, who is acting like the real freepers here?

[realisticphish]

67. sorry

i didnt actually see your post, as i said. and i dont see anything really terribly wrong playboy. however, it does present a rather misogynistic view, and i was trying to point out the fallacy of assuming we are pigs. no personal insult intended


:hippie: The Incorrigible Democrat

[noiretextatique]

79. don't be so hysterical and touchy

it's not all that serious, is it? all in fun, right? didn't you say they SHOULD pose in playboy? just pointing out to you that a woman might find that suggestion offenive, as you already know, which is why you'd never suggest it to someone you know. if a woman chooses to pose for playboy it's her choice, sort of. you SHOULD choose your words a little more carefully if you can't defend them.

[ContraBass Black]

145. We should be careful to direct our outrage at such responses

To teh people making them.

[noiretextatique]

210. my comment was directed a

the person who said there were no offensive post in this thread. "we" need to read all the posts before commenting.

[noiretextatique]

52. LMAO

you have a real way with words, fizzy :D

white people get to decide what's racist
men get to decide what's sexist
straight people get to decide what's homophobic

that's the truth of the matter here, as in any other place...there really is no difference, trust me.

[RagingInMiami]

55. And women get to decide what's offensive

[noiretextatique]

57. if YOU offend me, i get to decide

you're got damn skippy.

[jobycom]

85. It isn't only women offended by this attitude

There are some men speaking against it, too. It is interesting that I haven't seen a woman defend this idea, yet. So the only pure gender split seems to be with men arguing it isn't offensive, not with women arguing it is.

As a long-time DUer, I can assure you that there are a lot of men and women who hate these types of threads but just don't bother fighting them anymore.

[FizzFuzz]

87. I too get sick of the same old inflexible attitude.

Its bizarre to me, how these guys who will righteously defend democratic values can't see past their hormones. As a woman, I get so sick of the objectification and the insistence that its ok and men have a right to it, no matter when or where. (Unless their girlfriends are watching!!!!!!!!)

And I feel so sad for young girls who learn that their only chance to get noticed is to play the "ooo baby fuck me" game. I know, I was a teenager and got the same message. As a girl, the only thing that mattered, that gave me self-worth was my ability to attract boys. Any other aspect of my personhood would recieve blank stares.

Wonder what these manly men here will teach their daughters?

[jobycom]

96. Who knows what they'll teach their daughters. It's more sad to realize

what they'll teach their sons.

I have two daughters-- eleven and five. That's a very real issue to me.

[ContraBass Black]

151. Do you find it innapropriate to give physical complements at all?

For example, what did you think and feel when peole told Elizabeth Edwards she was pretty?

[The Sushi Bandit]

106. Then you havnt seen the *sista* thread!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x2120037

[jobycom]

111. So you've been parodied.

You probably don't even understand that.

[The Sushi Bandit]

112. I do.. and its FUN!

[jobycom]

122. Then you don't

I'm sure you know what the word parody means, but I don't think you get that you've been punked by that thread. It wasn't meant to be a "sister thread."

[DS1]

143. You didn't make that your sig image did you?

I hope not, for a number of reasons.

[Misunderestimator]

146. See my post #142

and thanks for your comments on this thread...

[noiretextatique]

223. yeah...imagine that?

each PERSON gets to decide what offends him or her...what a concept!!! of course, that's difficult to do when you are not a part of the dominant group that believes it is entitled to decide what is and is not offensive. then you are:
hysterical
too serious
pushy
spoiling all the fun
uppity
claiming "special rights"
reverse discriminating
misunderstanding intent
etc, etc, etc,
i told you: the personal is political

[FizzFuzz]

69. Hey!

:D

Geez, I just love the way certain posters ignore every clarification or explanation, and merely continue to fondle their position.

fondle away, baby. you're cute when you're clueless.

[noiretextatique]

92. kismet...i was just saying that cluelessness

is a chief privilege of any dominant group.

[smirkymonkey]

80. Thank you - You have boiled it down to the essential crux of

the matter. I am sick of adolescent boys telling grown women what we should and shouldn't put up with so they can indulge in their purile fantasies in public.

[noiretextatique]

88. it's the awful truth

unfortunately. classic case of lopsided power dynamics and the privileges associated with being the dominant group. (the ability to be clueless being the chief privilege)
grown woman here too :hi:

[jobycom]

100. True, but I'm a Democrat because I had always beleived we were here

to change that power dynamic.

The cool thing is, it may change from without. Me and my white male compatriots are becoming a minority, and we will wake up one day screaming because we are being treated the way we treated others. I'm kinda looking forward to that day.

[noiretextatique]

102. LOL....some sure do fear that

that fear, in part, led to the creation of the KKK....the fear of payback. funny thing is, i think the fear of payback is stronger than the desire for payback. i think most people truly just want real equality, without the usual biological, historical, or cultural equivocations. btw, :loveya:

[jobycom]

103. Still hope

:loveya: back at ya!

You're right, there is hope still. Even the Republicans have to give lip service to equality in order to win, even towards their gay/lesbian boogeymen. Equality is what people want, they just don't understand what it really means. That's my real hope as my group becomes a numerical and increasingly a cultural minority (not there yet, but it looks inevitable). Perhaps that will create an understanding. That hope balances my fear that we are moving towards an Imperial phase of history specifically so the Republicans can maintain white male minority rule. They are intent on destroying elections altogether, and so far the American people aren't stopping them.

Getting a ways from the original topic, aren't I?

[noiretextatique]

113. it's all connected, isn't it?

i think you're right on...the 'boys' need to learn the world isn't their locker room...that's a privilege of white, male minority rule. sexual exploitation/objectification is a privlege the captains of the universe hold for themselves, and extend to others who have the same genitalia, and its high time all of our allies connect the damn dots. so...it's perfectly REASONABLE to discuss the poltical ramifications of indulging in various privileges no matter how "normal" and sacred some consider them. isn't THIS a part of why we are where we are...because the captains are so expert at convincing some that they are the cultural majority, or rather SHOULD BE culturally dominant?

i have two teenaged nieces, and i absolutely shudder to think of what they go through on a daily basis, simply because they are young and female...and considered "attractive." i wish some of the oglers had an idea of what all their attention does to a girl's self-esteem...and a woman's. it's no coincidence that very physically attractive women often have self-esteem problems.
contrary to some popular opinion...not every female likes that kind of attention all the time.
i pity the fool who messes with my nieces when i'm around...

[jobycom]

121. Yes it is

This is why you've been one of my favorite DUers from the days when we used to pick on poor Carlos. You get it, and you turn a phrase with the best. Well said.

[The Sushi Bandit]

108. Hey - check out this thread!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x2120037

[noiretextatique]

114. copycat thread...the purpose of which is generally to point out

the idiocy of the original thread.

[The Sushi Bandit]

116. Satire is the best form of a complement!

[SemiCharmedQuark]

117. So when Swift wrote "A Modest Proposal" he was complementing the English?

[The Sushi Bandit]

118. Dont know that one

Hey... cute Icon!

[CTLawGuy]

160. all these things

"white people get to decide what's racist
men get to decide what's sexist
straight people get to decide what's homophobic"

-----------------


have objective definitions. It's not about who decides...

[smirkymonkey]

72. Exactly, that's one of the reasons that I sometimes have to stay away from

DU. It's not only the sexist attitudes, it's the absolute inability of certian men on this board to actually HEAR their fellow women DU'ers point of view on subjects like this. I, for one, am sick of this piggish attitude.

It's not about sex - it's about the message it sends to women on this board - reminiscent of a frat house or a locker room. This type of stuff is now forbidden in offices and many other public places as it has been recognized as creating a hostile atmosphere toward women. (not to mention the litigation factor)

Tell me something guys. I have nothing against men appreciating the opposite sex. Women do it too. However, why is it necessary to bring this into an arena of liberal sentiment shared by members of both sexes. If you want to ogle and post pictures, there are THOUSANDS of websites and blogs dedicated to just that. Why bring it here.

It seems to me that it is not so much about "appreciating women" as many of you say, but as an attempt to silence or intimidate the women on this board. Or to somehow "prove" one's virility and masculinity to other male members on this board.

This is nothing less than a power play. Get a magazine, go on a site that caters to this stuff, go to a porn film, whatever gets you off. I really don't care what you do in your private time. But I am tired of DU being used as an outlet for adolescent sexual fantasies and ogling. And if your response is to call me a prude or anti-sex or any of that other bullshit that many men like to trot out to silence female criticizm - don't even think of it. SEX and SEXISM are two ENTIRELY different things.

[ContraBass Black]

147. Do you find it innapropriate to give physical complements at all?

For example, what did you think and feel when peole told Elizabeth Edwards she was pretty?

[Misunderestimator]

149. Bad analogy... How about... if people told Elizabeth Edwards she was a hot

babe and should be in Playboy?

I'm just amazed at the desperate rationalization and justification going on among some people on this thread. People who seem to contribute rationally to other subjects... weird.

[ContraBass Black]

150. That's not what I'm talking about.

I'm not making an anlogy. I'm not defending anything said here. I am asking if another situation is offensive, so that I can better understand the limits of acceptable behavior.

I see no room to question whether the Playboy comments are offensive.

[Misunderestimator]

153. Then if you really meant it so simply... there is nothing wrong with ...

saying that a woman is pretty in the right context (certainly NOT when introducing a woman to someone in a work situation - other than, of course, the entertainment industry or most public people... how many times have we heard John Edwards described in that way). Never an easy answer to that, but pretty darn easy to tell when it's appropriate.

[ContraBass Black]

155. Yes, that is how I meant it.

I felt it necessary to ask because some of the other posts appear to rail against all vocal appreciation, rather than that which is specifically offensive, as dehumanizing objectification.

In a casual setting, I will tell a woman she is attractive, but I won't mention any sexual componet of that attractiveness (the difference beteween, "You're pretty" and "You're hot").

[Misunderestimator]

156. Excellent... exactly the right perspective.

:thumbsup:

[ContraBass Black]

158. Ah, well, there is an exception.

I have mentioned my sexual attraction to my girlfriend at the time. Never disrespectfully, but admiringly, reassuringly, and in private. I think that entirely appropriate, and so does she.

[Misunderestimator]

159. LOL

Yep... definitely appropriate. Cute way of putting it. :)

[smirkymonkey]

234. No, I think there is a respectful way to do it and a disrespectful

way to do it. It's subtle, but most mature people know the difference. It's the difference between "He/She is really handsome/pretty/good looking, etc. VS. "He/She's "Hot", "Nice Rack", "I would do him/her in a second" etc.

For instance, I have thought certain male political (dem of course) or media figures were "hot", but if I made mention of it at all, I would say he's handsome and leave it at that. I wouldn't drool all over him on a public board (but I might if I was sitting around w/ a bunch of straight women or gay men, because hey, I'm human too.)

I do have those thoughts, however. I just see that there is a distinct power element that comes in to play when I choose when and where to express them, if you follow what I mean.

I think men might understand the better if the analogy were women coming on to DU and posting pictures of really wealthy men along w/ their assets (physical and material) and talking non-stop about how much they wanted a rich man, how much they only valued men with money and made it absolutely clear that the only measure of a man's worth was the size of his bank account.

The sex analogy doesn't work so well when genders are switched because this society devalues men who can't or don't "earn" or have wealth and it devalues women who aren't young and beautiful.

[RagingInMiami]

238. You're right

But if the women on DU started posting pictures of wealthy men, they'll be ousted as freepers. Besides, from a visual standpoint, knowing you're likely not going to meet the person in the picture, how much enjoyment can one get from looking at somebody just cause he's rich. How many women actually enjoy looking at Donald Trump.
On the other hand, the appreciation of beauty crosses all gender and political barriers.
The other day, some women started posting pictures of Jude Law, raving about how hot he was, and there was nothing wrong with that. No outcry from males, nothing except maybe a few "you think he's hot" comments to ourselves.
The bottom line is, men are always going to be men, no matter how much women try to castrate us. We will always admire a pretty woman on the streets and we will always admire pretty women in pictures. Gay men are the same way except they substitute a hot guy for a hot girl.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

242. No, that is taking the easy way out.

"Well, it's too hard to change and I don't wanna so Im just going to say all men are this way, always have been and always will be."

Being a human is about using one's higher thinking abilities to empathize with groups to which one does not belong. An animal can feel pain, and feel lust but it does not empathize with another animal just because it feels an injustice has been committed. Humans can. The question is, do they choose to.

So please don't degrade men by saying that "well, that's just how they are" because some men actually do make the effort to see things from the point of view of women. These men are not castrated, they are the better men, and indeed better humans, for their efforts.

[RagingInMiami]

243. But deep inside, no matter what they tell you

And no matter how much they try not to look at another woman when they're in your presence, they still can admire a beautiful woman.

[Guaranteed]

216. THAT is offensive.

I'm more than just a pair of testicles and testosterone.

I'm an intelligent, thinking HUMAN BEING, and I expect to be treated like one, not wishfully pidgeonholed in with the fascists simply because I HAVE A SEX DRIVE.

You have a very thin perspective on life if that's as far as you think.

Sick.

[The Sushi Bandit]

35. It's now 30 positive to 13 neg..

[Rabrrrrrr]

202. Well, there's an invitation that could lead a bishop astray

Rowrrrrrrrrrrr!!

[fleabert]

224. count me as a negative. n/t

[The Sushi Bandit]

81. Well.. it's 33 positive vrs. 15 neg votes

and 3 really negative people!

[noiretextatique]

91. how to lie with statistics

did it ever occur to you that men proably outnumber women here, ergo, your "results" mean very little? i can also tell you that some people are so digusted by the lounge, in general, they never frequent this place. and finally, some probably think this thread is so _________, that they simply don't bother voting.

[The Sushi Bandit]

105. Its' 36 to 18 now...

with 105 postings...

you have to admit... this isnt a dull topic!

[noiretextatique]

115. no...i think that's why it hasn't been deleted

because it's actually turned out to be a political discussion.

[regularguy]

89. Not offended by your idea, but I think the site as whole makes

quite a powerful statement (Nothing, aside from my wife, helped me get through the election disaster more than this site), and I can see where some might find the idea of skimming through it for "hotties" a bit, y'know, yucky. OTOH, I'd be lying if I said that I didn't notice how many fantastically attractive liberal ladies there are out there!

[The Sushi Bandit]

126. Thank you for your kind words!

[SemiCharmedQuark]

93. I think it cheapens the sentiment.

The people on sorryeverybody.com had a specific purpose in mind when they sent their pictures in. That purpose was to let the people in the rest of the world know that not all Americans are scum. It seems kind of wrong to take that great sentiment and cheapen it by reducing them to great bodies and faces.

[FizzFuzz]

95. I agree--I'm saddened too by the girls who posed in cheesecake

positions. It also cheapens the point of the site, but speaks volumes about how girls are indoctrinated in their role as sex object. I work at a college and I see too many young women who seek attention that way. They get it, but sadly, they apparently get no messages that they are worthy beyond the size of their chests or the poutyness of their lips. Just look at network TV and the rest of mass media to see this message reinforced ad nauseum.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

97. It's a circle...some girls do it and some guys defend it.

Many of those girls are making a political statement. But it doesn't matter...what really matters: Does she have a hot ass?

[ronnykmarshall]

104. Don't forget the the *sister* thread!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x2120037

[slutticus]

119. That first girl looks like she's 12!

There's got to be older (and better) ones than that!

Don't be lazy...keep looking.

I can wait......

[St. Jarvitude]

120. No, she does not.

First of all, she writes "So sorry", from "Stanford."

Secondly...... no twelve year old girl looks like that. Period. I would know that, seeing as how my 12 year old sister has 1657 friends over every day. Plus it was only 4 years ago... and believe me, I would remember anyone who looked like that :o

[slutticus]

125. Shit....

...maybe I'm just gettin' too old... :shrug:

[The Sushi Bandit]

124. Ok ... here is another!

[Ian David]

130. The Hot Girls of Sorry Everybody

Dear World,

I'm really sorry, world. Our country is full of haters. The good news is...

Wait....

What are you DOING???



Yeah, you... what are you doing?

Stop it, that's gross!

Mom!

Dad!

I was trying to tell the world how sorry I was about Bush, but now some guy is holding me in one hand and...

Oh, now you're in for it. My dad is coming.

Yeah, that's him, Dad. Right there.

No, Dad! THAT one!

The one with his pants around his legs!

Make him stop, Daddy! Make him stop!

[The Sushi Bandit]

132. ROTFLOL... good one!

I sure am enjoying this thread!

[HalfManHalfBiscuit]

131. Finally Paris Hilton makes an intelligent statement

You go Paris!

[nickgutierrez]

127. Good idea, but get everyone's permission first n/t

[The Sushi Bandit]

128. How do you do that when they are posted anonymously?

there is no copyright on the site and no legal statements.

[nickgutierrez]

129. Damn. Good point.

I forgot that they were all anonymous.

[The Sushi Bandit]

133. 67% agree that this is a good idea! (3:30pm Pacific time)

[Ian David]

134. The Hottest Pussies of SorryEverybody.com

Meow meow sorry....




Meow meow is that yarn?

[Ian David]

135. How can I make it up to u?

Thank you, you just did.

[The Sushi Bandit]

140. What a great political statement!

[The Sushi Bandit]

136. Toooo Cute.. here is my pix

4 more years...

NOT!!

[Ima]

198. funny

[noiretextatique]

221. you are an idiot

i simply have to say this, even though the moderators will delete it.

[Bouncy Ball]

137. Eh

:shrug:

[The Sushi Bandit]

138. Is that all you can say???

Did you VOTE?

[Bouncy Ball]

139. Yeop

I voted "eh"

LOL! Just messin with ya! :hug:

[The Sushi Bandit]

141. 51 for to 25 against.. with 141 posts - ITS MY BEST POST EVER!

[jobycom]

177. Bush got the most votes, too. Doesn't make him right, either. nt.

[RagingInMiami]

178. Yea, but Bush rigged his election

[jobycom]

180. Well, then, his IWR vote. nt.

[RagingInMiami]

181. IWR?

[Misunderestimator]

142. Thank you, jobycom, for saying all the things I would have said...

This game is really getting old... it always seems to be a tiny group of boys who just cannot seem to understand sexism. As for you... :yourock: Your daughters have a great role model in you.

[slutticus]

172. Well...I think the admins have a different definition of sexism..

...because this subject has been beaten to death repeatedly...and the same conclusion always arises.

Posting pictures of pretty girls (or boys...or boxturtles)...is not sexist. Some of the replies to the OP may be...but the concept is not.


You wanna see some sexist, misogynistic shit? Check this BS out if you haven't already...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x2123679

[jobycom]

176. Question of degrees, imo

The big difference between this thread and that one is how much men think their women should be allowed to get away with. He just has a shorter leash.

It's not about posting pics. Read through the thread again if that's all you got.

Whether it's sexist enough to be banned--I'm not in favor of banning much. Discussion is healthy.

[slutticus]

179. Well...I haven't read through all of it...

...and like I said, there are certain to be some very sexist replies to the OP. Anything that crosses the line should be alerted and deleted, of course.

I agree that discussion is healthy...the problem is, these types of threads always seem to turn into flame-fests when certain people show up (i won't name names...), thus getting the thread locked. Maybe that is these people's intent...to destroy the thread, but whenever someone shows up in a thread telling people they have "small weewees" or whatever (tell me how that's not sexist!)...you will not get healthy discourse.

We'll see what happens to this thread.

[Misunderestimator]

183. Hmmm...

Well, I assume you're not referring to me since I NEVER address men's "weewees"... but I WILL show up on threads that reak of sexism... though you'll note that I waited all damn day to reply, even though I had been reading it all along.

[slutticus]

184. lol

Was it painful waiting all day?

[Misunderestimator]

185. Yes... yes it was...

;)

[ContraBass Black]

196. Those posts did make me feel rather insulted and assaulted.

[The Sushi Bandit]

195. Very well said!

my thoughts exactly

[Catch22Dem]

200. Mmmmmmm box turtles....

SO friggin HOT!!!!

[Misunderestimator]

144. Ok, fess up...

You're about 19, right?

[The Sushi Bandit]

161. LOL I'm 53 with 3 grown-up daughters!

and a very lovely wife who has enjoyed reading all of this thread!

[Misunderestimator]

162. Cool! Is your wife a hot babe as well, and does she dream about

being a Playboy centerfold?

[RagingInMiami]

163. Crucify me, not him

I was the pig that made the playboy comment.

[The Sushi Bandit]

164. I think she is hot.. and you might agree...

but what is this Playboy stuff all about??

When did I ever mention Playboy??

[ContraBass Black]

165. You didn't. Someone else did.

Check your aim before you fire, everyone.

[slutticus]

171. Do doubt!

This is the lounge, not GD....

No napalm allowed!

[jobycom]

168. And where have you posted their pics, so we can see for ourselves?

Please do so, especially your hottest daughter's.

[The Sushi Bandit]

192. You are sure into baiting people

... your not very happy, are you?

[ContraBass Black]

197. Don't do thils. You'll make things worse.

[noiretextatique]

206. pot, meet kettle...

if you only had a mirror :nopity:

[jobycom]

241. Not into baiting people. Where have I done that?

You are convinced it is a compliment to women to post their pics and discuss their attractiveness. I'm calling you on it. If that is your genuine belief, live up to it. Post the pics of your wife and daughters. Let us judge them. Let us see what they look like and decide if they are hot, if we appreciate their smiles, and their eyes, and all the virtues you want us to appreciate in someone else's daughters and wives.

The fact that you refused to respond to such an obvious request-- one you had to know would be made as soon as you mentioned your wife and kids-- with an attack on me, an no response whatsover to the request, hints that you won't do it. That for some reason you consider your women off limits. Why are they, when others aren't? What gives?

And again, I want to know, seriously, and specifically, where you get the idea that I'm into baiting people. Every post I have made in this thread has been a sincere response to a previous post, and a direct answer of questions posed in that post. I am not into baiting. I have not attempted to do so. I would like to know what you base that accusation on.

[The Sushi Bandit]

250. These people voluntarily posted their pix in the Internet

I have my picture on the Internet and so do my girls... (Blogs and personal websites)

Bottom line... if its on the internet then the whole world can see, copy, change and do what ever they like. Thats the freedom of cyberspace. No Rules!

If they are legally copyrighted, then thats a different story.

[noiretextatique]

211. let's say you daughters posted at this site

how would feel about some man posting their pictures, without their persmission, on another site...for sport? how would you feel if some other guy at that site opined that they were fit for a spread in playboy? i find it hard to believe you would be singing in the "hot babe" chorus if these were pictures of your daughters. ask you wife about this too.

[Glenda]

152. What about the dudes on the "apology accepted site?"

Makes me want to move overseas

[GingerSnaps]

222. 15 or 16 years old

The two "Girls" in the pictures are a couple of kids.

[St. Jarvitude]

227. No, they really aren't.

First of all, the first one says sorry from Stanford. I don't know too many people who go to Stanford at age 15 or 16 :shrug:

Second, I'm 16. And there is no way these women are under 18. They might even be over 20.

[GingerSnaps]

228. Some of the people that I go to College with are 17 years old

They are very pretty girls but they look really young. I still get carded for drinks.

[imenja]

225. Why aren't more people voting pervert?

This is a minor girl. Get it?!

[JanMichael]

229. So much for Liberalism

This is a stupid thread, and should be locked.

And you need to grow up.

[Ian David]

231. We're sorry

And my daughter is sorry, too.

Hey, stop looking at her like that, you perv.

[noiretextatique]

248. hello? you said a mouthful

it's juvenile and makes DU seems like a site for horny frat boys and their fathers.

[The Sushi Bandit]

232. Good Morning! it's 68% for and 32% against with 106 votes..

and over 230 replies to the thread... not bad!

[JVS]

240. Heh heh, there are 69 votes for it heh heh heh

[Stella_Artois]

245. Sorry i made it 70 :)

Oh the horror. Pictures of good looking people on the Internet !

I blame Bush...no, not *that* Bush :P

[Name removed]

246. Deleted message

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[JVS]

249. Welcome to DU

[SemiCharmedQuark]

251. Wow, that's not at all offensive.

I'm sure those in support of this idea will greatly appreciate how much you have advanced their cause.

[Moderator]

253. Locking.......

Sex threads are not allowed.



DU Moderator