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FourStarDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 11:02 PM
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Any teachers in the house? Looking for jobsearch advice..
Hi..I've worked consistently as an elementary substitute teacher since the fall of '2003, in a high-end region, where full time classroom jobs are hard to come by because of so much competition. I've worked (subbed) consistantly in almost all the general ed classrooms of this district, and also (but less frequently) in special education positions (inclusion, resource room, self-contained classes) This district, Principals, teachers are overall happy with me- no complaints. I also work for a second district at a much lesser extent. I get called in every day to eith of those districs, however, most of the principals don't know me that well. I'm also pursuing a second certification in special education. I've mailed several resumes out to other districts, because the one I work for seems to bypass me for longterm job offers, full time postions, etc because they tend to hire people who are well-ingrained already in their system, with family and friend connections.

I got called in for an interview for a substitute longterm leave- replacement position with a new district. The position is a special education teacher who enters into regular classrooms, with fits with some of my substitute teaching experience. This involved substituting on a day to day basis for special educators (although primarily I'm in regular classroom- but the interviewers are most interested in my special-ed substituting) The are also impressed by my pursuance of a second masters in Special Ed, my knowledge of issues in special ed, and my volunteer work within the special education department at my children's schools. The interviewers were very happy with me, and now would like me to obtain 3 references of my supervisors to call. They did not want to look at older refeernce letters from my student teaching and college days. I told them that I have NEVER been formerly observed when teaching, so I cannot not get him a 'formal' reference. The principal said no observation is alright, He'd just like to call a few people/supervisors, or even teachers to check up on me, to make sure that I'm 'reliable'.

So, here's my dilemmna: which ones should I call: Here are the choices as to whom to ask this principle to call for my reference. I need to pick three.

Choice 1. Principle A- she knows I'm in her school often, but is not involved with any employees personally that much. She appears to like me. I've only had one conversation with her in almost two years. She is not generally aware of which teachers I sub for, but she will probrably say something positive.

Choice 2. Principal B- she is happy with my teaching and knows me and is "friendly and personable on the surface, but when I asked her for a reference last year, she said " oh I cannot do that because I've never formerly observed you." She appeared to be annoyed by my request, and directed he callers to place me in other schools in the district for the remainder of the school year in 2004. I also have the most substitute experience in special ed at her school. I could ask her again, since I'm back working there again this year, but I am afraid that she could be a backstabber..

Choice 3. Vice-principal C --she values my work and I'm sure she would have kind things to say about me, but I have mostly General ed teaching experience at that school, not special ed.


Choice 4. A general education teacher at Principal A's school. I have worked for her and all the other teachers in her grade level several times. She would have some nice things to say about me, if she agrees to be called. I did not do much special ed work in her class, but was the classroom teacher- and she does have students with disabilites in her class. I don't know her extremely well, but know her better than most teachers. (I do not know the special education teachers in this school or district well enough to ask them to be called, unfortunately)

Choice 5. A Principal at a district that I less freqently work at. She is very impressed with me, however I've only taught at her school 3-4 times, and it was with regular classes, not special ed.

So, which of these 5 choices would your recommend that I pick 3 from? I'd like to hear people's thoughts..Thanks.



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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 11:11 PM
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1. They just want to know if you are reliable?
Which ones will say you show up when you are supposed to and do what is expected? That's what reliable means. So it wouldn't matter what you taught.
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FourStarDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 11:14 PM
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3. That's true, but the caller might also ask them if they recall
my special ed work there as well, so I am a little concerned about that.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 02:10 PM
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10. I really believe they will be lots more interested in
whether you show up on time or not. There is such a shortage of special ed teachers, they can't be too picky about those qualifications.
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 11:11 PM
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2. Not a teacher, but nosy. I say 2, 3, and 4.
3 seems to be the safest one--and you seem to feel good about 4, and as you mention you did some special ed work there (even if it was just a few students sometimes).

With two good refs, 2 doesn't seem to be such a risk. Plus, she may surprise you and say something great (perhaps the reason she seemed bothered before had nothing to do with you?). And as you've mentioned, you've done the most special ed work there, so I'd try just for that reason.
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FourStarDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 11:37 PM
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9. Good points about #2 Yes, 3 & 4 do seem like the best choices so far..
It's the last one, between # 1, 2, and 3 that I have to make a decision on..not an easy one..
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 11:14 PM
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4. I was a teacher but it's been quite a while
since I have taught. I would eliminate the first two, the second one for sure. I can see that wanting to observe your teaching would be a factor so could you ask for an observation? Talk to one of the others and tell them that you need the references and if they don't feel that they know your teaching that well invite them in to observe. It would tell them right off that you were open, confident and valued their opinion. Also have you subed for anyone that you know might be retiring, that teacher could put in a request for you to come in more often if she likes the way you handle her/his class. Teachers nearing retirement often have accrued days that they could be taking in the spring.
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FourStarDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 11:27 PM
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6. Fortunately, the interviewer understands that I haven't been observed..
and he isn't requesting a formal reference that includes an observation, so I think I can go with choice number 1, since it's basically a call to find out that that I have been employed at her school and that I am reliable. I still don't trust choice number 2, but I have half a day to ruminate over asking her... I have to get three names in by tomorrow!
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AwakeAtLast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 11:25 PM
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5. One teacher's perspective:
Teacher B only wants to keep you as a sub. Good subs are hard to come by, especially for Special Ed., so this person is making it harder for you to leave.

I'm going to say 3, 4, and 5. Teaching is teaching, whether it is in Special or General. It also does not matter whether they have seen you once or a thousand times, they will have a good idea of how you teach.

Good luck finding a position! :hi:
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FourStarDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 11:32 PM
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7. I hope you are right .. I'd love to ask her 'cos she really likes me ...
I'm just a little afraid that it might be inappropriate since I've only worked at her school a few times. I am tending to go with choices 3 & 4 so far though. Thanks for the well wishes. :)
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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 11:36 PM
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8. 5, 4 and 3, in that order
Those with good vibes must come first.
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liberalitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 02:28 PM
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11. Use all but #2....
Shame you don't teach social studies.... two positions open at Phoebus High next year
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liberalitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 02:36 PM
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12. If none of this works... try this....
get involved with the Alternative Education in your system (GED, Adult Basic Ed. Night School, At Risk kids, a Charter school.... establish a rep there then go to a transfer fair (in your system or another nearby) use relationships that you've built there to get your foot in somewhere else.
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FourStarDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 04:07 PM
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13. Thanks for all the advice..Update: I asked references from 1, 3 & 4 !
..And they were all thrilled to give me their references today. They were really kind. So, I submitted their phone numbers to the principal interviewsing me, and now I have to wait and see.
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liberalitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 04:09 PM
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14. Best of luck!
You'll be great the kids are gonna love ya! :-)
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