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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 08:59 PM
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Threads to which I will not respond:
Breast Feeding <-- train wreck

Southern State Bashing <-- I like the South, but I hate "southern heritage" posts.

"Let's not talk about Gay rights in order to win an election" < -- You suck.

"Bitch" threads <-- An oldie but goodie.

"Oasis" <-- well trolled, but played out.

"This band is liberal, so you MUST love them" <-- No, I still think they suck.



There are others. Care to add your own?




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greatauntoftriplets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 09:03 PM
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1. TURN ON CNN!!!
And then n/t

:wtf: ?
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 09:09 PM
Response to Reply #1
4. That was OK when I had CNN.
Now, my TV sucks. I haven't even had SciFi for a long time.

:cry:
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greatauntoftriplets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 09:12 PM
Response to Reply #4
9. It sucked when I didn't have CNN back at the house.
Edited on Fri Jun-16-06 09:15 PM by greatauntoftriplets
Now that I do because the condo has cable (part of the assessment), those threads usually appear when I am at work. No cable there.

:shrug:

Think I have had CNN on twice, once when I was still off work after the move and one time after.

Edited for stupid typo.
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idgiehkt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 09:05 PM
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2. Jason Leopold must die.
(hope that one doesn't get your thread highjacked, lol).
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 09:06 PM
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3. Anything by someone who hates me.
:D

Fortunately, there aren't too many of those.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 09:10 PM
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progmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 09:55 PM
Response to Reply #5
18. well i will make sure to avoid any threads you post
Edited on Fri Jun-16-06 09:57 PM by progmom
:eyes:

there are lots more important things than gay rights....your condescension here is disgusting. i thought equal rights for everyone was one of the basic platforms of the democratic party. your post disgusts me.
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txwhitedove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 10:22 PM
Response to Reply #18
22. Progmom, you are looking lovely tonight and you are so right.
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progmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 10:24 PM
Response to Reply #22
25. oh - is that you outside the living room window?
;)

Thanks for your vote of support. I'm glad I'm not the only one who read that post that way. :hi:
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Derailer Donating Member (332 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 10:25 PM
Response to Reply #18
27. except its not about equal rights really
since "marriage" is more or less a semantical term unless you are talking in the religious sense. And I don't suppose many Churches are going to be putting that up for a vote anytime soon.

So excuse me for not giving half a shit whether they get the name in addition to all the recognition and civil benefits of marriage. I'm sure you care enough for both of us anyway
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progmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 10:29 PM
Response to Reply #27
28. I don't give a flying fuck about the semantic term
There are many churches who would be happy to marry a gay couple...so that's not the issue at all, my friend. The issue *is* about equal rights - all the recognition and civil benefits of marriage. I don't care if you call it "marriage" or "salted cod". You might not quite understand the issue...at all.

Half a shit...wow. So what part of the Democratic platform DO you give half a shit about?
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txwhitedove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 10:43 PM
Original message
Psst. Talk to BlueIris. It's Friday night and some people
just like to stir things up, wherever, however.....
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foreigncorrespondent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 03:28 AM
Response to Reply #28
92. LOL
So what part of the Democratic platform DO you give half a shit about?

The part which doesn't have Democratic in front of it? ;)
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 10:49 PM
Response to Reply #27
43. Some of us care. Enough to make up for the fact that you don't.
Happy now?

Redstone
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 02:58 AM
Response to Reply #27
87. But it *is* about equal rights
And "marriage" may be semantic but it not only has religious importance but legal importance. Being legally married bestows 1049 federal rights upon a couple that they would not otherwise have. Civil Unions do not provide the same rights. And it doesn't matter whether or not churches put it up for a vote as people do not require churches to be legally married.


And marriages are just one concern:

Only 14 states afford protection from discrimination based on sexual orientation, and only four states include gender identity as a protected class. Lesbian and gay people in 36 states can be fired from their jobs or denied housing simply because of their sexual orientation.

Fueled by institutionalized discrimination and religious doctrine, physical violence and verbal assaults against lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people,or those perceived to be LGBT, continue at an unprecedented rate. According to the National Coalition of AntiViolence Program’s report Anti-Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Violence in 2002, the number of incidents and the number of victims experiencing anti-gay incidents increased from 2001 to 2002. Disturbingly,the murder rate increased 20 percent from 2001, and the number of attempted assaults with a weapon increased 22 percent.Despite these alarming statistics, legislation to include sexual orientation in hate crimes statutes has been adopted in only 27 states and the District of Columbia, while only four states include gender identity in hate crimes laws. No federal hate crimes statutes include sexual orientation or gender identity.

Myth vs. Reality


Mississippi bans adoptions by gay couples, Florida bans adoptions by all gays as does Utah (which bans adoptions by anyone not married, which rules out gays): http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=health&res=9A03EEDD1330F932A0575BC0A9679C8B63

And 16 more states are working on banning gay adoptions: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5241925


There are states where gays can lose custody of their biological children simply for being gay: http://www.nclrights.org/projects/custody.htm

Etc, etc.



Of course I realize that you don't give half a sh*t. You may lack understanding, empathy or both. If you choose to be that way, however, there's no excusing that.



















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foreigncorrespondent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 03:25 AM
Response to Reply #27
90. Could I have your...
...definition of equal rights, please?

Not about equal rights! Excuse me while I go bang my head against the brick wall!
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 08:37 AM
Response to Reply #27
104. My spider-sense says you DO give way more than half a shit
In which direction, well, that's another question altogether...

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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 11:24 PM
Response to Reply #18
70. I think I'm very glad I missed that post.
I love your response though. You tell 'em!
:yourock:
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Guy Fawkes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 10:23 PM
Response to Reply #5
24. I'm sorry...
I'll go on being a second class citizen while you can marry, adopt children, visit your loved ones in hospitals, over see their estate when they die, get tax breaks, share health care and enjoy all the other percs that you take for granted: all because I was born different by no choice of my own.
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Derailer Donating Member (332 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 10:30 PM
Response to Reply #24
30. I'm not overly versed on the issue but
#1. I think you can adopt children already in many states

#2. Isn't everyone more or less in favor of granting you all those rights a la Civil Unions? I think the people actually against that are a smaller minority of the population than homosexuals are.
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 10:35 PM
Response to Reply #30
33. Are you a democrat?
#1. Is "many" ok? In "many" states we cannot even foster children. We should be allowed to adopt children in ALL states. Are you a democrat?

#2. Apparently not. Since most of the recent amendments voted to state constitutions also disallow civil unions. If ONLY those people were a smaller minority. Are you a democrat?

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Derailer Donating Member (332 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 10:39 PM
Response to Reply #33
36. you have to take what you can get
In regard to #2 the understanding has pretty much always been that a Civil Union law will be instituted at a national level, obviously red states are not your friends on this issue.

As for adopting I'm not sure thats so clear cut but whatever
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 10:40 PM
Response to Reply #36
37. Really? I have to just bend over and accept what I can get?
Edited on Fri Jun-16-06 10:41 PM by Misunderestimator
Holy fucking shit, man... Do you really believe that Civil Unions will be legalized? Really? And that they will carry the same rights as marriage??

And adopting not so clear cut? Whatever? What?
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Derailer Donating Member (332 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 10:48 PM
Response to Reply #37
42. I don't offhand know the law regarding Civil Unions
in every state, but I believe some already have them, right?

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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 10:53 PM
Response to Reply #42
47. And they afford NO ... ZERO.. ZILCH Federal benefits.
Edited on Fri Jun-16-06 10:54 PM by Misunderestimator
A couple married or civil-unioned in one state will not be recognized in another. So, effectively, they are prisoners of the state. And for what? So that the few benefits they receive at the state level, and not the federal level, are STILL not equal to a straight person's. Domestic partner benefits are TAXABLE. Not only are health care benefits for a domestic partner taken AFTER tax, as opposed to before tax in a married straight person's case, but the VALUE of the benefit is tacked onto the person's income and TAXED. WHY? Why should I pay more than you for the same benefit? Why should MY federal social security savings not go to MY spouse if I die? Why should my property go to my family at a judge's discretion, no matter whether I have protected it in a will to go to my spouse? Why should I be refused visitation rights at my spouse's bedside if she is in the hospital at the whim of hospital personnel? You think this is all OK?
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Derailer Donating Member (332 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 10:55 PM
Response to Reply #47
49. I can't change the world
what would you like me to do?
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 10:58 PM
Response to Reply #49
54. I'd like you to stop using RW talking points.
I'd like you to support our equality.
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Derailer Donating Member (332 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 11:02 PM
Response to Reply #54
58. I believe in time you will have
recognition and benefits equal to straight couples. Beyond that I don't see an issue of equality with regard to marriage. Clearly its not happening overnite, but again I'm not in a postion to change that anymore than you are
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 11:03 PM
Response to Reply #58
59. When? After I'm dead?
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Sapphocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 03:14 AM
Response to Reply #59
89. Yes. n/t
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 11:13 AM
Response to Reply #89
107. Yep. And apparently I'm supposed to be grateful for that...
and take what I can get... which is... er... nothing at all.
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Lavender Brown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 11:06 PM
Response to Reply #58
63. How is it ever going to happen, with people like you always insisting
it be placed on the back burner? Your screenname is apt. :eyes:
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 11:45 PM
Response to Reply #63
79. I am sure people made the same arguments with regard to
women's rights and minority rights. Some Democrats are always afraid to take a stand and do the right thing. We don't need incrementalism when it comes to civil rights.
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foreigncorrespondent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 03:42 AM
Response to Reply #58
95. ROFLMAO
Clearly its not happening overnite

Clearly its not happening at all. Period! The right wing and the right wing of the Democrats do not want marriage or civil unions for us homos, period.

Just this past week here in Australia, we have had the Federal government overturn the A.C.T's civil union laws, because they saw it as a marriage. And this is Australia. A country that isn't nearly as wrapped up in religion as the U.S.

Sorry, dude, but it won't be happening any time soon, so long as we have "friends" with attitudes like yours!

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Guy Fawkes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 10:58 PM
Response to Reply #49
55. You can't change the world...
but you can change.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 11:53 PM
Response to Reply #49
81. Perhaps start by not shoving your fellow Americans to the back
of the bus? That's a great start. Giving up the rights of some is opening the door to giving up the rights of all. I've got their backs because, time and again, they have mine. I am almost ( I said almost) speechless.
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txwhitedove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 12:01 AM
Response to Reply #81
82. Thought you were going to bed? Too upset? Haven't seen
D respond lately, and that is NOT the ignore person. For what it's worth, it looks like disruptive tag teams running around DU.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 12:02 AM
Response to Reply #82
83. It's utter B.S. tonight...and like the plague...
I really should go to bed, I just got so keyed up. Ahhhh...well. :hi:
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Guy Fawkes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 10:56 PM
Response to Reply #42
51. Right. Let me name them:
Most of the EU: Great Britain, Spain, Scotland, Ireland, France, etc.
Canada,

In the US:

California,
Massachusetts,
Vermont,
Connecticut.
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Guy Fawkes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 10:43 PM
Response to Reply #36
38. Would you say that to African Americans before Marting Luther King, Jr.?
Edited on Fri Jun-16-06 10:45 PM by Guy Fawkes
"You have to take what you can get" Wow. And I suppose the colonists should have taken what they could get and not revolted from Britain causing the foundation of the greatest country on the planet...?
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RevolutionaryActs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 10:46 PM
Response to Reply #36
40. Wait, what?
"you have to take what you can get"



Are you in some way implying they should be happy with being considered second class citizens? Who don't have the same basic rights as everyone else? Who the hell are you to say such a thing. Gay, lesbian, black, white, green or purple.. as American citizens, we should all have the same basic rights. End of fucking story.


Gays and lesbians should be able have the same rights as a straight couple. They should be able to marry and have the same legal rights as a straight couple, they should be allowed to adopt, in fact it should be praised since they are so many children out there who need good homes with loving parents. It doesn't matter(and it shouldn't matter) if a child grows up with two mommies or two daddies, as long as they are loved and taken care of.
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Derailer Donating Member (332 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 10:54 PM
Response to Reply #40
48. Please drop the second class citizen bullshit
At best its hyperbole, at worst its sensationalizing something because its part of your personal agenda.

And yes "take what you can get". As in, see that change is enacted "incrementally", ya dig? Or to put it in baser terms: you live in The Real World, USA. Gays are not gonna be tossing bouquets tomorrow or the next day, sorry.

It doesn't matter(and it shouldn't matter) if a child grows up with two mommies or two daddies, as long as they are loved and taken care of.

Sure you can say it shouldn't matter, but it DOES on a lot of levels and you know it. Otherwise why would anybody even talk about it? Pretending something is entirely black and white *shock* doesn't make it so
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 10:57 PM
Response to Reply #48
52. Bullshit? Why does it matter? You are insinuating that it matters that
a child grows up with two mommies or two daddies. Why?

As for incremental change... it hasn't worked. Advances made in civil unions have been completely obliterated by the state constitutional amendments. Equality is equality. Fuck incremental equality. I'm sick of waiting for it.
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RevolutionaryActs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 11:04 PM
Response to Reply #48
60. Oh please.
:eyes:


Oh, and by the way it's not "a personal agenda", it's a civil rights issue. As a democratic, I would how thought you would have been for equal rights for everyone.
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Derailer Donating Member (332 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 11:10 PM
Response to Reply #60
65. if its a civil rights issue its certainly a minor one
in any big picture view. But congratulations for being the 1000th poster to chide me for not liberal enough!
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 11:14 PM
Response to Reply #65
66. MINOR? Wow. You're unbelievable.
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Derailer Donating Member (332 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 11:17 PM
Response to Reply #66
67. Civil Rights in the context of drawing allusions to anti-discriminatory
laws put in place in the 1960s?

Yes, this is minor in comparison. Tone down the sanctimonious exagerrated rhetoric a bit, and maybe people would do more than just roll their eyes
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 11:19 PM
Response to Reply #67
68. What? Allusions? How is it minor in comparison? 40 years after
Edited on Fri Jun-16-06 11:20 PM by Misunderestimator
interracial marriages are made legal, we still do not have the right to marry? How on earth do you think it is minor in comparison? It's EXACTLY the same, only four decades later.

Why are you even here? I truly don't get it.
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Derailer Donating Member (332 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 11:26 PM
Response to Reply #68
71. I think there are quite a few like-minded people
who are shouted down by view points like yours that are based very much on emotion and the fact that you are personally invested in this issue.

I imagine they feel unwelcome here based on the fact that they are told their viewpoint is shit and they simply don't live up to some myhtically absurd liberal "standard". I think my opinion is as worthy of being expressed on here as yours.

I realize we are dealing with a subset of people on DU who feel they are wholly more enlightened than the general populace and thus have to forcefeed their enlightenment on the country in the sense you give a dog his medicine or the like.

Only problem is, even if you are right in that you haven't been particularly successful have you...?
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progmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 11:31 PM
Response to Reply #71
76. you're posting on a liberal board
There is an assumption here that you're up for the challenge of reading about people feeling entitled to equal rights.

There is no forcefeeding. You appeared to be wholly ignorant about the details regarding the difference in rights awarded to people allowed to marry versus the rights that come with civil unions, and the unwillingness for many/most states to recognize even the limited rights awarded to gay couples who are allowed a civil union in the FOUR STATES that allow them.

Personally, I only recently became aware of how egregious the discrimination is, so GOSH....forgive me for assuming your ignorance might not be willful.
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Guy Fawkes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 11:40 PM
Response to Reply #71
78. Sorry for my personal involvement.
Once again, I find myself apologizing for caring about the things that affect me directly. But no, I don't "think viewpoint is shit," and I don't think you're missing a liberal standard. But there are certain things that I expect from people, and being informed is one of them. If your going to make an argument, against gays and lesbians, about gay rights... you should probably read up first. The facts about the gay rights movement could shock you more than anything I say.

I would recommend a reading list, or a movie or two that you could see. But few people like yourself care that AIDS/HIV was originally called "GAIDS" and welcomed as a "gay plague." And few care that loving families are broken up every day in the US because the parents happen to be a same-sex couple. I could dig out a list of the 1,000+ rights that are specific to marriage, but you wouldn't care... Because you aren't "personally involved."

The other thing I expect from people- here more than anywhere- is acceptance. I've spent my entire life being told how "evil" gays and lesbians are. I don't need to come to a website that I love and be told the same thing. You, sir, can go to hell for all I care. People who are unwilling to support gay rights have no place in my political party.

-Guy Fawkes
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Duncan Grant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 04:19 AM
Response to Reply #71
100. In your ignorance, you seem to forget one thing.
"Only problem is, even if you are right in that you haven't been particularly successful have you...?"

It was the right-wing who began this political drama (do the research). Your insult lands a bit flat.

BTW, when did you first notice this overwrought contempt for gay people? I think it's important to note your sense of powerlessness:

I realize we are dealing with a subset of people on DU who feel they are wholly more enlightened than the general populace and thus have to forcefeed their enlightenment on the country in the sense you give a dog his medicine or the like.

Seems you have a few emotions invested in this argument, too.
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1gobluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 11:29 AM
Response to Reply #71
109. I am not personally invested in this issue
I am a heterosexual woman. But, I can't for the life of me understand how people who pay their full measure of taxes to this nation should not be eligible for the same benefits to which I'm entitled. That's discrimination just as much as race was in the 20th Century and can't be explained away no matter how much you try.

Furthermore, I just don't understand how any law-abiding person's private life is anyone else's business. How can ANYONE have the unmitigated arrogance to decide what is best for people they've never met.

I know a woman who has a very well-paying job she's been had for over twenty years and who is the daughter of a well-off attorney. Her husband married her because her family has money and has spent the six years of their marriage not working and bleeding her health insurance dry through a succession of back surgeries after which he disregards all doctors' advice and causes himself myriad complications. He is a worthless boil who contributes nothing to their marriage, yet he is eligible to receive all her benefits. In contrast I know two gay couples who are committed, loving, tax-paying property owners, and hard working citizens who can't even visit if one of them is intensive care because the people of Michigan fell into the conservative trap last election -- that same-sex marriage will destroy our country. THAT's not discrimination? Puh-LEEZE.
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 06:10 PM
Response to Reply #71
113. You aren't talking about "them"
Edited on Sat Jun-17-06 06:13 PM by sui generis
you are talking to "them".

And we're not taking handouts. We will be married, legally, sooner or later and there is NOTHING you or anyone else who has a problem with it can do about it. At all. You really are helpless.

The worst you can do is inconvenience us. The whole long rest of the day, we're still paying taxes, we're still Americans, we still drive down the road next to you, fix your busted ass in the emergency room, write your paychecks, rule on your divorce, investigate your burglary and fight and die out of duty to our country in places like Iraq. You better damn well believe we are going to be married and treated equally like any other American.

Nobody, not a republican, not a democrat, not a conservative or a liberal or even just plain old ignorance can take away from that. And tomorrow, regardless, we will still be gay, we will still live together and raise families together, and will still pursue happiness for ourselves and a better life for our children and the generations to follow, just like everyone else.

This "subset" of people you're referring to: we ARE the people. The same people. You don't get to make rules about our lives, any more than we get to make rules about "your" lives. You can certainly have a viewpoint, but those of us whom it impacts, and that is not JUST gay people but anybody who really believes in equality, we don't want to hear it. Not on DU.
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Duncan Grant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 03:52 AM
Response to Reply #67
98. Pardon me, but who do you think you speak for?
Sanctimonious exaggerated rhetoric? That was used in a particularly contemptuous manner. Next time just say "uppity" - it's a more economical insult.

What, may I ask, is minor about my civil rights? Under what justification must I continue to endure bigotry, violence, discrimination and the wrath of the most powerful institutions on the planet? What, pray tell, grants you the authority to define my concerns as minor? The arrogance!

How is it minor when the Government of the United States seeks a constitutional amendment not only to explicitly limit my civil rights but to implicitly show me my proper place in this society? How is it minor when the Pope says that I'm a participant in an "ideology of evil"? By what definition are these examples minor?

These are matters of some urgency to me. I would appreciate a more well informed argument.
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 11:49 PM
Response to Reply #48
80. It only matters because some people are bigoted assholes
and make a big deal of it. Most enlightened people know that there are all kinds of families, gay, straight, single parent families, grandparents raising grandchildren, you name it. They are all OKAY. Nothing wrong with any of it. Families are not just June and Ward Cleaver and Wally and the Beav. It never was that way. It never will be that way. People who have a problem with it are the ones with the problem. It makes them uncomfortable because they are BIGOTS.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 12:20 AM
Response to Reply #48
84. Care to explain why it matters?
Because the fact that a bunch of intolerant right-wingers have a problem with it doesn't mean they have any genuine or worthwhile objections that could withstand intellectual scrutiny.

So if it does matter, perhaps you can explain why.

Otherwise, I think you should stop spreading disinformation on this subject. You are clearly uninformed, and yet when people point out your mistakes, you simply say "hey, take what you can get," rather than admitting to having and presenting inaccurate information. That's pretty weak.
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Sapphocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 03:26 AM
Response to Reply #48
91. "BULLSHIT"?
OMFG.

Please drop the second class citizen bullshit...

At best its hyperbole, at worst its sensationalizing something because its part of your personal agenda.
I just had to quote you, because I needed to re-read it again, just to convince myself you actually said that.

Well, thank you for letting me know you think my life and my distress over being skull-fucked is "bullshit," "hyperbole," and my "personal agenda."

As for the rest of your post, I won't address it, as I am trying very, very hard not to get tombstoned.
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foreigncorrespondent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 03:52 AM
Response to Reply #48
97. Really?
Edited on Sat Jun-17-06 03:53 AM by foreigncorrespondent
At best its hyperbole, at worst its sensationalizing something because its part of your personal agenda.

And what personal agenda would this be?

As far as I can see it isn't the gay community who has the personal agenda. It is those people who like to rob others of rights for their own entertainment that has the personal agenda.

On edit: typo
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Duncan Grant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 04:39 AM
Response to Reply #48
101. Contempt and condescension do not win an argument.
This is a pitiful excuse for a rebuttal. It's nothing but cheap insults aimed at someone who deserves more respect than this.

Not to mention that the last sentence completely refutes your other failed argument that gay civil rights are minor.

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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 08:28 AM
Response to Reply #48
103. Answer Misunderestimator's question, Derailer. HOW and WHY does it matter?
We're waiting. Yes, youy're perfectly free to ignore and dodge the question, just as we are free to follow such hypothetical ignoring or dodging on your part to its logical conclusion.
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foreigncorrespondent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 03:48 AM
Response to Reply #36
96. Hmmm!
you have to take what you can get

Really? And what rights are you currently missing out on?
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RevolutionaryActs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 10:37 PM
Response to Reply #30
34. I think that's the most ignorant post I have ever seen,
Wow, just wow.
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Guy Fawkes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 10:37 PM
Response to Reply #30
35. How about this:
1. Many states *don't* allow gays and lesbians to adopt, and even if there isn't a law against it, may adoption agencies ban gays and lesbians. Read "The Kid" by Dan Savage if you want to learn more about gay adoption.

2. Would you rather have a marriage or a civil union? Think about it for a while, don't just say "they're the same thing."
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Derailer Donating Member (332 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 10:45 PM
Response to Reply #35
39. thanks for responding without flaming me
or all the "I'm up here, you're down there" shit. I'm pretty sure I could care les where in the democratic "pecking order" some random thinks I rank

My first point was merely to say its not as though there hasn't been progress on that front.

My second point was along the lines of Civil Unions are coming, albeit slowly. And I really do think they're the same thing other than semantics, since last I heard that was the definition.
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Guy Fawkes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 10:52 PM
Response to Reply #39
45. Not exactly...
Most of the progress on the adoption front has been made by groups like Focus on the Family- conservative coalitions that hate gay parents and seek to get gay adoption banned everywhere.

As for "Civil Unions," as long as democrats are unwilling to support even civil unions, they will never come. Constitutional amendments banning gay marriage and civil unions have passed easily in many states, and many more are on the way this november. Even Wisconsin, the first state to make discrimination based on sexual orientation illegal is considering a bill baning gay marriage and civil unions.

The only places that are making progress on the gay marriage front are... (ready?)... in Europe.
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Derailer Donating Member (332 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 10:58 PM
Response to Reply #45
53. So, no offense intended, but this goes back to my original point
this issue has very little momentum, is incredibly divisive, and will lose if pushed in its present form.

That doesn't mean you should give up, but it certainly means someone needs to come up with better ways of advancing this cause and also a more realistic set of short term goals
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 11:00 PM
Response to Reply #53
57. "Let's not talk about Gay rights in order to win an election" -- You suck.
Edited on Fri Jun-16-06 11:01 PM by Misunderestimator
Thanks Blue-Jay... it's pretty damn simple.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 10:52 PM
Response to Reply #30
46. Deleted sub-thread
Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Sapphocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 03:01 AM
Response to Reply #30
88. Uh...
Isn't everyone more or less in favor of granting you all those rights a la Civil Unions? I think the people actually against that are a smaller minority of the population than homosexuals are.
In a word: NO.

And if you want to be my friend (although, I admit, not many people do), you will stop using the word "homosexual" as a noun. It offends me.

If you really care that much, ask why.
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foreigncorrespondent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 03:36 AM
Response to Reply #30
94. Many doesn't make it EQUAL!
a la Civil Unions

Could you be any more condescending?

Hmmm! Spoke to soon!

...smaller minority of the population than homosexuals are.

Using the H word as a noun can really offend a lot of people, myself including. So yes, you can get even more condescending.



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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 09:10 PM
Response to Original message
6. Maestro is such an arrogant ass
I really hate those threads.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 11:26 PM
Response to Reply #6
72. Yes, we say that a lot.
:hi:
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 10:05 AM
Response to Reply #72
106. I don't know how I got that rep.
;) :hi:
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wildhorses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 09:11 PM
Response to Original message
7. kudzu threads
see enough of it already
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 11:27 PM
Response to Reply #7
73. There are threads about kudzu?
Edited on Fri Jun-16-06 11:27 PM by ThomCat
Somehow I've managed to miss those. :)

(even though I know a lot of cool people post on those threads, I just can't get into the monster sized threads.)
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 09:12 PM
Response to Original message
8. Threads about "Threads to which I will not respond"
Wait ... Oh -- Damn!! I screwed up!! x(
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 11:27 PM
Response to Reply #8
74. Doh!
:rofl:
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Floogeldy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 09:14 PM
Response to Original message
10. Threads with titles that do not end with prepositions.
;)

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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 09:18 PM
Response to Reply #10
11. Or threads which
contain insults followed by the "winkie" smiley, used to deflect asshole-ish responses.

Know what I mean, Vern?
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 09:41 PM
Response to Reply #11
12. Yes
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XNASA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 09:45 PM
Response to Reply #12
14. .....Featuring Rick Wakeman. nt
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Beware the Beast Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 10:19 PM
Response to Reply #11
20. Indeed.
What a fuckstick. ;)
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 10:21 PM
Response to Reply #20
21. Stop winking at me, fuckstick.
I'll herk you in the herk for that.
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Beware the Beast Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 10:22 PM
Response to Reply #21
23. FUND DRIVE!!!!! BRAZILLION JOKES!!!!! FUND DRIVE!!!!!
:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 11:22 PM
Response to Reply #11
69. Deleted sub-thread
Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 02:19 AM
Response to Reply #10
86. And the hits keep coming
Go bag some groceries
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 09:43 PM
Response to Original message
13. I usually don't respond to music
threads because I know so little about a lot of music stuff. I can discuss some 60s-80s stuff, but not a lot, since I was never into music as heavily as some people (I was a TV kid) and I suppose that being a huge fan of the Monkees, Paul Revere and the Raiders, Neil Diamond, John Denver, Don McLean and other such kind of makes me a wienie in the eyes of a lot of music lovers. Now I listen to a lot of New Age and Classical, and have very few songs I actually know or understand out right now.

I usually don't respond much to threads on children unless I'm directly involved in some way, and I don't respond to alcoholic related threads mainly because I don't drink.

That's about it for me.

The threads I DO respond to most, though, are TV threads, RRR threads and travel threads. :)
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 09:46 PM
Response to Original message
15. Wait just a damn minute here! There are threads you must answer!
:popcorn:
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 09:51 PM
Response to Reply #15
16. :poopcorn:
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 09:55 PM
Response to Reply #16
17. Have some popcorn.
:popcorn:
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Beware the Beast Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 10:18 PM
Response to Original message
19. Any threads with "herk" or the popcorn smilie.
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gkdmaths Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 10:25 PM
Response to Original message
26. Any post having to do with politics.
Cant stand that political shit.

:evilgrin:
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 10:29 PM
Response to Original message
29. OMG!!! Did you hear what Ann Coulter just said!?!?!?!
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 10:31 PM
Response to Original message
31. I try to avoid threads with the phrase "nice guys" anywhere in the OP.
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 10:33 PM
Response to Reply #31
32. Good call.
"I'm a nice guy" threads tend to end in ridicule and heartbreak.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 11:29 PM
Response to Reply #31
75. There are no nice guys.
Everyone is evil. It's just a matter of how evil. :evilgrin:
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 10:47 PM
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41. k...
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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 10:49 PM
Response to Original message
44. Cats.
Oh, cats. And cats.

Cats!

CATS!

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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 10:55 PM
Response to Original message
50. Addendum:
"Let's not talk about Gay rights in order to win an election" <-- Seriously, You suck harder than a million sucking things with no purpose other than sucking. My OP was meant to be a tongue-in-cheek fun thread. Don't interpret my stance as mere levity however.

Suck-O.

People with Tourette's frighten me.

FUCK! SHIT! ASS!
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progmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 11:32 PM
Response to Reply #50
77. ...
:toast:
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 11:00 PM
Response to Original message
56. I have learned, just tonight, threads that purport to know what is rude
versus what is not. :hi:
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 11:04 PM
Response to Reply #56
61. We've all seen rude, eh?
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Duncan Grant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 11:05 PM
Response to Original message
62. "Am I a Democrat?"
It goes like this:
I'm trying to figure out if I belong here at DU. I've always thought of myself as a mainstream Democrat but...
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 11:08 PM
Response to Reply #62
64. That's a good 'un!
Sure sign of a troll in our ranks. Not a very smart one, either.

Another sign is "I own a book store; Look at my taint!"

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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 01:20 AM
Response to Reply #64
85. . . . sniff . . .
My boy I say you're unaware of
Things that I am unaware of
The things they say behind one's back
That you suspect but aren't quite sure of
Don't say you haven't noticed

The smell of money is all about me
I just can't rid myself
Of it's overpowering bouquet
My inner beauty cursed with obscurity
By a scent that can't be washed away

I don't know who you think I am
But if I'm who I think I am
Then there's no cranny I've examined
Taints the air where ere I am
But don't say you haven't noticed

The smell of money wafts all about me
It neutralizes any other odors I convey
Best friends won't tell me
They know I'm suffering
With a scent that can't be washed away

The stench of money
Is reeking off of me
A mix of cheap cologne
Weasel pheromone and rotted grave
Thank dad and mommy
I'm filthy, stinking rich
So I can say to you "Piss off"
I bathe, I bathe


thank Todd.
dp
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Sapphocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 03:32 AM
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93. Circumcision.
My thanks go to the long-gone Dookus (with whom I butted heads many times, which is a great part of the reason I miss him), for making me realize that since I was not born with a penis, or a penile foreskin, I have no right to an opinion about circumcision.

Of course, that opens up a whole 'nother can of worms I won't get into.
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 03:55 AM
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99. Animal threads.
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Runcible Spoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 11:48 AM
Response to Reply #99
110. WHAT??!! Even Oscar threads?
those were the golden days...the Oscar days....:cry: I showed people who had never been on DU the Oscar threads and everyone agreed that something very special happened during that time...timeless, hilarious, magical Oscar....
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 02:17 PM
Response to Reply #110
111. That's MIXED animal!
Differnt.

Oscar says thanks for the good words.
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Anarcho-Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 07:16 AM
Response to Original message
102. Threads with the word "Israel" and "9/11" in the title
You can always see where it's heading.
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seaglass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 09:30 AM
Response to Original message
105. Oh, I have a huge list!
1.) Any thread bashing a Dem Senator or Congressperson

2.) Any thread insulting women about their looks/apparel/age - including RW women

3.) Any thread about a current criminal case, missing woman etc. (excluding political corruption)

4.) Any thread rehashing the 2004 election (no matter how innocent the OP pretends to be) - and this one is hard!

5.) Any thread about who the 2008 Dem Presidential candidate should be that's posted before the 2006 midterms

6.) Any thread that states that the Bush admin is going down this time (after the first 40,000 threads, I'll believe it when I see it)

7.) Any thread about Ann Coulter especially now because it gives her what she wants

8.) Any thread that predicts we will win the 2006 midterms that is based on feelings, not analysis.

And that's just a start....no wonder why it's taken me almost 5 years to get to my lowly number of posts.:-)
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 11:23 AM
Response to Original message
108. DLC
Cuba
Chavez
9-11
third-party votes
nascar
confederate flag
the TO mess
anything having to do with the NBA
and of course, Laura Branigan ("I KNOW what it take to make a great record, and so does Laura Branigan!")
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 04:35 PM
Response to Reply #108
112. Well, booger. All these great fights going on and I missed out.
Gotta pay better attention, I do.

Redstone
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JackDragna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 06:45 PM
Response to Original message
114. "I did (insert inane thing here). Ask me anything!"
I've always wanted to respond "Okay. Why the hell do you think that's interesting enough for us to ask you a question?", but I've thought better of it.
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