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GURUving Donating Member (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 09:40 PM
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True or False?
"Every form of addiction is bad, no matter whether the narcotic be alcohol or morphine or idealism." - Carl Jung |
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onebigbadwulf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 09:41 PM
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1. True
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 09:41 PM
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2. Addiction yes, frequent controlled use, no
:D
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LiberalVoice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 09:42 PM
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3. False
I think being addicted to the truth ain't such a bad thing. In fact I think its high time our government "shoot up".
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 09:42 PM
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4. I defer to Jung
Freepers should too
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 09:55 PM
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13. LOL! Straightforwardness is a virture that freepers don't possess
Have ya ever noticed how freepers support slavishly every opinion or suggestion of a superior?
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 09:43 PM
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5. False.
What's wrong with idealism?

Jung was VERY cynical when he said that.
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 09:44 PM
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6. idealism is an addiction?
:wtf:
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GURUving Donating Member (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 09:47 PM
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8. It creates in the mind the same emotional responses
idealism seems, in ones mind, to be crystal clear. There is a need involved, a need for others to not only understand, but also become involved in the "obsession".

?
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 09:48 PM
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10. of course it is
:beer: mmmm this idealism is good.
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 09:46 PM
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7. False
Tautalogical because addiction implies malignancy. It's the equivalent of saying "bad is bad, no matter what." So what you're left with is, in itself, an ideal rather than any actual testable conclusion. I say False not because Jung is wrong, indeed he could be right in certain circumstances, but the statement casts too broad a net.

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onebigbadwulf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 11:00 PM
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19. You can't dismiss
the argument unless you provide an example as to when it is wrong.

Broad net isn't a logical fallacy.
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 03:34 PM
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21. ok
Some people have an addiction to reading. In fact schools teach reading habits (or try).

Some people may even be known to possess "un soif de savoir", a thirst for knowledge. These people often have about them a compulsive and obsessive manner.

Furthermore, what is "bad?" And bad to whom?
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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 03:41 PM
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22. But couldn't a compulsion and obsession about learning -
be a negative? If the person experiencing it neglects his or her health, welfare, stability, and those who depend upon him? Everybody knows "chronic students", and it's not hard to imagine one whose pursuit of knowledge leads to hardship, both for him/herself and others.

Compulsion is compulsion, even if the subject of the compulsion is a noble aim.

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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 04:42 PM
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26. certainly
but Jung isn't saying "IF the person experiencing it neglects his health, welfare, stability" . . and so on, he's casting his broad net and stating all addictions lead to such things.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 09:47 PM
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9. False
Carl Jung is one of my favorites by the way.
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 09:53 PM
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11. Or Love?
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GURUving Donating Member (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 09:54 PM
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12. Great answer!
That's got to be the number one addiction!
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 10:04 PM
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14. I tried it, I liked it...
And I keep going back for more...

Peace and Love this holiday season.


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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 04:48 PM
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27. And the most harmful
I've squandered fortunes, self respect, health, all in pursuit of "love"...
Not sure I'll ever be cured....
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Cat Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 10:13 PM
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15. I disagree.
Edited on Fri Dec-19-03 10:13 PM by Cat Atomic
If I hadn't become addicted to my line of work in my early/mid twenties, I never would've made it in the field. I don't live it and breath it now like I did back then, but the addiction got me established... and now... I can just sail... (figuratively speaking)

:)
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gate of the sun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 10:17 PM
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16. most US citizens are addicted
wether it be the obvious choices above or shoppping or image seeking or being a workaholic. It's the ban of our time and the problem is at least in my opinion is seeking happiness outside ourselves which is something our culture encourages. Also I don't think our culture is one that creates inherently happy people. that's just me. The problem is way bigger than being an addict. Look for the reasons why people are so addicted. Being Free and not needing anything would obviously be alot easier and make us happier.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 10:20 PM
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17. Yah...
... "obsession is just a word lazy people use to describe the dedicated"

Oh yeah, we're talking about addiction :) I'm addicted to all kinds of things (not drugs) and I have no plans to give any of them up. I don't spend a great deal of time trying to draw people into my idealism, so I have a hard time seeing how it hurts me.

For all the great insight into the human psyche that some "scientists" have given us, there has been a fair amount of total shite also. IMHO.
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aQuArius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 10:49 PM
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18. False.... I am addicted.....
but not to anything bad.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 11:11 PM
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20. True
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gpandas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 03:42 PM
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23. addicted to love
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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 03:45 PM
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25. Might as well face it...
;-)
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 06:52 PM
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32. Oh yeah

Good luck getting that out of your head tonight.
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 03:44 PM
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24. I'm addicted to computers
turned it into a really nice career.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 04:50 PM
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28. Ever see someone who "kicked" drugs and took up Jesus instead?
Same behaviors. Scary...
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 05:10 PM
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29. "Once, I Was All Messed Up On Drugs"
"But now, I'm all messed up on the Lord!"

- Cheech & Chong
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 05:46 PM
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30. Sounds like he's addicted to nonaddiction.
"Do everything in moderation- including moderation."

-George Burns
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Character Assassin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 05:57 PM
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31. True.
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 07:33 PM
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33. Everything in moderation
you'll live longer.

Addiction is bad, moderation good.
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populistmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 08:21 PM
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34. Anything has potential to be harmful depending on the degree
That being said, I've never met anyone "addicted" to idelaism. It's more of a belief state, not something that in any way could alter your psyche or physical being (like drugs, tobacco, alcohol, gambling, or sex can).
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Spirochete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 08:25 PM
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35. The word addiction
suggests something compulsive that there is no control over, therefore it is always bad, because no choice is allowed.
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FloridaJudy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 09:02 PM
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36. There are worse things than addiction
I've cared for my dying mother-in-law, and my mother.

Pain is worse. My mother-in-law died in agony. The poor woman had pancreatic cancer. I called her oncologist and asked for a prescripton strong enough to ease her pain. The SOB refused to prescribe anything stonger than aspirin, because he didn't want to "turn her into an addict".

Give us a break! The woman was eighty-seven years old, weighed less than a hundred pounds, had incurable cancer, and was too weak to get out of bed. So what if she died a junkie? She'd be no threat. There is NO way she'd have held up Seven-Elevens to support her habit. The poor woman died screaming in pain, because her doctor was too cowardly to prescribe adequate analgesia.

My mother had the sense to call in Hospice when she knew she was dying. They honored her wish to die free of pain; they blissed her out with long-acting narcotics. She died peacefully.

Not all drugs are bad.
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 09:08 PM
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37. What's the point?
You are leading to what? My agreement with Jung's opinion is moot, here. But you don't ask for agreement. You ask for absolute, metaphysical certification (True or False?). My answer: maybe, maybe not. Let me have a drink and think on it.

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scottcsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-03 12:10 AM
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38. Too black and white for me
What if you're addicted to reading books written by Jung?

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