There are 8 1/2 teaspoons of sugar in 12 ounces of Dr Pepper

[Oeditpus Rex]

:scared:



Edit: As Spider Jerusalem pointed out downthread, I screwed up the conversion. The header originally said 21 teaspoons. :blush:

[Jcrowley]

1. Imagine

you went up to someone and made the drink right in front of them and you just keep putting tsp after tsp of sugar into the fizzy water. They probably wouldn't drink it. Then hand them a Dr. Pepper.

[Rabrrrrrr]

2. Wow - that's 7 tablespoons!

And that's also about 3.5 ounces of sugar.

[KamaAina]

3. They use real sugar? Not HFCS?

Or is that just the sugar equivalent?

HFCS is really, really bad for you over the long haul. Much worse than sugar. And we're the only country that uses much of it, 'cause we can't get sugar at the world price thanks to price supports that prop up Bush**/Jeb!-supporting cane growers in Fla. :eyes:

[GOPisEvil]

7. There are kosher soft drinks which are sweetened with sugar.

There is also Dr. Pepper bottled in Dublin, TX that is made with Imperial Sugar.

[Oeditpus Rex]

11. I've been meaning to order some of that

To see what it used to taste like. :9

[GOPisEvil]

12. Oh yeah, if your area has access to imported Coke from Mexico, get some.

Not only is it sweetened with sugar, the bottles are glass! :bounce:

[flamingyouth]

13. And it's delicious!

MMMM, sugar! :9

[Oeditpus Rex]

9. It says

"Sugars 40g." I guess "sugars" could mean that which comes from cane, beets and whatever they squeeze out of the gum stuck to the bottoms of desks at corporate headquarters.

I got curious because I saw my doctor today and she said my triglycerides are up. I asked her what could cause that and she asked about my sugar intake. I told her I drink about three Durps a day. But that wouldn't account for the rise, since I've been doing that for years — unless it's a cumulative effect.

:shrug:

[Spider Jerusalem]

14. 40g = 1.4 oz; 1.4 oz of sugar occupies a volume of roughly 1.7 fluid ounces.

Which is equivalent to about ten teaspoons, not 21. Still a hell of a lot of sugar, though.

[Oeditpus Rex]

17. The conversion calculator I used

said 40g = 3.53 oz.

:shrug:

[Spider Jerusalem]

19. 28.35g= 1 ounce (weight, not volume).

And it shouldn't give the volume anyway, since the gram is a unit of mass (if it were volume it'd be in cubic centimetres).

[Oeditpus Rex]

21. Shit, you're right

I fucked up. :blush:

Do I still have time to edit the OP? :shrug:

[Xipe Totec]

31. There you go again,

confusing the issues with facts...

:thumbsup:

[Mutley]

4. Sugar rush!

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[Shine]

5. Yikes!

:puke: I'd rather have chocolate, thank you.

[ghostsofgiants]

6. And it STILL tastes like shit.

:P

[Oeditpus Rex]

10. Sez you!

[hfojvt]

18. more like

cough syrup, without the alcohol.

[Fox Mulder]

8. I drink three 20 oz of Dr. Pepper at work every day.

Next year, I'll be a diabetic.

[elocs]

15. Which is why I drink diet Dr. Pepper at 10, 2, and 4. n/t

[jus_the_facts]

22. I'd rather get diabetes with sugar than alzheimer's with aspartame.....

...it's a lose lose situation regardless...but I'll take the evils of processed sugar over the Monsanto *Rumsferatu* invention aspartame. :nopity:

http://www.amazon.com/Excitotoxins-Kills-Russell-L-Blaylock/dp/0929173252



How monosodium glutamate, aspartame (Nutraweet®) and similar substances can cause harm to the brain and nervous system and their relationship to neurodegenerative diseases such a Alzheimer's, Lou Gehrig's Disease (ALS) and others.

ex-cí-to-tox-in: a substance added to foods and beverages that literally stimulates neurons to death, causing brain damage of varying degrees. Can be found in such ingredients as monosodium glutamate (MSG), aspartame (Nutrasweet®), cysteine, hydrolyzed protein, and aspartic acid.

[sir_captain]

34. Where does that definition come from?

Aspartic acid (more commonly known as aspartate) is an amino acid and the idea that ingesting it would be bad for you is kind of hilarious. Cysteine, which is a dimer of the amino acid cystine, falls into the same category.

[jus_the_facts]

36. The man who wrote the book is a neurologist....

....take it up with him...the book was fascinating and called an internet hoax by the Today Show in regard to aspartame being safe for human consumption...eventhough I'd checked out the book from my local library..they stated all the doctors were made up...yet another reason not to trust what the MSM tells you. :think:

[sir_captain]

37. Well, I will reserve judgement

as I have not read the thing, but it is categorically untrue that ingesting aspartate and/or cystine is bad for a person. We all do it every time we eat something with protein in it.

[jus_the_facts]

41. Here's his credentials....

.....believe what you will...he has a different opinion and he's got a lot of experience in the field...but those with money to make don't want you to know about such things...they go to great lengths to put out opposing opinions to everything studied to keep the masses confused and consuming regardless of the health risks involved.

Russell L. Blaylock, M.D. is a board-certified neurosurgeon who completed his medical training at the Louisiana State University School of Medicine in New Orleans, Louisiana. Afterwards he spent five years of neurosurgical training at the Medical University of South Carolina in Charleston. There he worked with the eminent neurosurgeon, teacher and researcher Dr. Ludwig G. Kempe. Together they published over a dozen scientific papers.

Dr. Blaylock, a clinical assistant professor at the University of Mississippi Medical Center, has written and illustrated three chapters in medical textbooks and a patient booklet on multiple sclerosis. For the past sixteen years he has had a busy private neurosurgery practice. During the course of his practice he has treated many cases of neuro-degenerative diseases.

In March of 1989 his father succumbed to the ravages of Parkinson' disease. This began him on his journey to help others avoid this terrible experience, resulting in the writing of this book.

Russell L. Blaylock, M.D., is a member of the Congress of Neurological Surgeons, the American Association of Neurological Surgeons, Southern Neurosurgical Society, The American Nutritionist Association, The American Society for Parenteral and Enteral Nutrition, and the Society of Neurosurgical Anesthesia and Critical Care.

[sir_captain]

48. Whatever

I'm just a medical student, so I don't have the letters after my name yet, but I am not being fooled by anyone with "money" or anyone else. It's just science. And you won't be able to find any proper peer-reviewed paper anywhere that says it is dangerous to eat basic amino acids. Because it's not. On the contrary, it's dangerous not to. In fact, the two amino acids that you mentioned are both manufactured by our own bodies all the time. So you don't even need to eat them.

[jus_the_facts]

50. I only pasted what the article said....

....if you have some extra readin' time...I only suggest that you might want to read what context he puts it in before you judge if he's right or wrong to make that assertion...from what I understood from reading is that these are being put into processed foods on purpose to whack out your brain chemistry which will in time...ruin your brain's ability to function properly....I'm not a neurologist either and it's been a long time since I read the book...it's all a humongous crap shoot anyway in regard to our *frankenfoods*...and the humongous mistakes that're made in the health care field alone these days....it's all literally a massive crap shoot regardless.

[sir_captain]

51. Yeah, like I said

I'll reserve judgement since I haven't read it. But I do also suggest that when you read things that make claims such as this--take them with a grain of salt. There is a reason that peer-reviewed research exists, and it is the best possible way that we know of to legitimately verify any sort of scientific hypotheses. And if this guy really is suggesting that two of the basic amino acids that make up the very essence of life are somehow bad for you, then that is a silly claim. And I don't need to be a neurologist to know that. It would seriously be like claiming that drinking water is bad. It's on that level. You'll just have to take my word for it, I guess, but I'm really not bullshitting you here.

I do agree with you, of course, about the over-processification of our foods nowadays. All the chemical preservatives and hydrogenated fats and HFCS is terrible for us.

Edit: do you have a reference for the article? I'd like to check it out.

[jus_the_facts]

52. Here's one of many if you google for it.....

http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&newwindow=1&safe=off&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=Excitotoxins+Dr.+Blaylock&spell=1


http://www.life-enthusiast.com/index/Articles/Blaylock

MSG (monosodium glutamate) is a taste enhancing and hydrolyzed vegetable protein. At the time of discovery, MSG was thought to be safe since it was a natural substance (an amino acid). The amount of MSG alone added to foods has doubled in every decade since the 1940's and by 1972 262,000 metric tons of MSG were produced.

MSG is not the only taste "enhancing" food additive known to cause damage to the nervous system. They all share one important property.

When neurons are exposed to these substances, they become very excited and fire their impulses very rapidly until they reach a state of "extreme exhaustion". Several hours later these neurons suddenly die as if the cells were excited to death.

As a result, neuroscientists have dubbed these class of chemicals "EXCITOTOXINS."

Several EXCITOTOXINS are man made,-- others are found in nature-- such as glutamate, aspartate and cysteine - all which are amino acids.

MSG is a modified from of 'glutamic acid' in which sodium is added to the molecule. But the toxic portion is the *glutamic* acid, not the sodium.

Often manufactures will mix MSG with other substances to "disguise" it.

Hydrolyzed vegetable protein also referred to as vegetable protein, or plant protein is a mixture made from "junk" vegetables,-- unfit for sale, especially selected so as to have naturally high contents of "glutamate".

The extraction process of "hydrolysis" involves boiling these vegetables in a vat of acid, followed by the process of neutralization with caustic soda. The resulting product is a brown sludge that collects on top. This is scraped off and allowed to dry and the end product is a brown powder that is high in 3 known EXCITOTOXINS -- glutamate, aspartate and cystoic acid (which converts in the body to cysteine).

It's then added to the food manufacture.

All these chemicals stimulate the taste cells in the tongue, thereby enhancing the taste of food. Another excitotoxin additive is the artificial sweetener Nutra-sweet, 40% of the compound is composed of the excitotoxin "aspartate". Like glutamate, aspartate is a powerful brain toxin, which can produce similar neuron damage.

It is well recognized that 'liquid' forms of excitotoxins are much more toxic to the brain than dry forms, as they absorb faster and produce higher blood levels than when mixed with solid foods.

But the negative effects of excitotoxins are not limited to small children. There is growing evidence that excitotoxins play a major role in a whole group of degenerative brain diseases in adults - especially the elderly.

These diseases include Alzheimer's, Parkinson's disease, Huntington disease, Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis (ALS) and more disorders of the nervous system.

MORE...

LIST OF HIDDEN SOURCES OF MSG
As discussed previously, the glutamate manufacturers and the processed food industries are always on a quest to disguise MSG added to food. Below is a partial fist of the most common names for disguised MSG. Remember also that the powerful excitotoxins aspartate and L-cysteine are frequently added to foods and according to FDA rules require no labeling at all.

Additives that always contain MSG:

Monosodium Glutamate
Hydrolyzed Vegetable Protein
Hydrolyzed Protein
Hydrolyzed Plant Protein
Plant Protein Extract
Sodium Caseinate
Calcium Caseinate
Yeast Extract
Textured Protein
Autolyzed Yeast
Hydrolyzed Oat Flour
Additives that frequently contain MSG:

Malt extract
Malt Flavoring
Bouillon
Broth
Stock
Flavoring
Natural Flavoring
Natural Beef or Chicken Flavoring
Seasoning

Additives that may contain MSG or excitotoxins:

Carrageenan
Enzymes
Soy Protein Concentrate
Soy Protein Isolate
Whey Protein Concentrate

Protease enzymes of various sources can release excitotoxin amino acids from food proteins

Can NutraSweet cause brain tumors, uterine and ovarian cancer?

Research from its own laboratories says it can. In fact, that was why it was first rejected by the FDA for human consumption. This study found that, in all concentrations examined, NutraSweet produced a very high incidence of brain tumors. (The high dose NutraSweet caused a 47x increase in brain tumors over control animals.) Also found were uterine and ovarian tumors.

The number of tumors produced seemed to be dose related. That is, the more NutraSweet consumed, the more likely tumors would develop. It appears that it is a breakdown product of NutraSweet called diketopiperizine (DKP) that is causing the tumors.

Interestingly, with the passage of time more and more NutraSweet breaks down into DKP. This is why the soft drink companies have started to date diet colas. Heating NutraSweet also speeds up this process. This is why using NutraSweet in hot beverages and for cooking is especially hazardous.

There has been an enormous increase in the number of brain tumors reported over the last decade. No other explanation has been given for this incredible explosion of brain tumors. If the early experiments linking NutraSweet with brain tumors is confirmed, we should all be outraged, both at the industry and at the FDA, our federal watch dog.


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on edit...another link

http://www.organicconsumers.org/foodsafety/msgandobesity081105.cfm

The Link Between MSG in Processed Foods & Obesity


But how does MSG cause obesity? Like aspartame, MSG is an excitotoxin, a
substance that overexcites neurons to the point of cell damage and,
eventually, cell death. Humans lack a blood-brain barrier in the
hypothalamus, which allows excitotoxins to enter the brain and cause damage,
according to Dr. Russell L. Blaylock in his book Excitotoxins. According to
animal studies, MSG creates a lesion in the hypothalamus that correlates
with abnormal development, including obesity, short stature and sexual
reproduction problems.

Based on this evidence, Dr. Blaylock makes an interesting point about the
American obesity epidemic, especially among young people: "One can only
wonder if the large number of people having difficulty with obesity in the
United States is related to early exposure to food additive excitotoxins,
since this obesity is one of the most consistent features of the syndrome.
One characteristic of the obesity induced by excitotoxins is that it doesn't
appear to depend on food intake. This could explain why some people cannot
diet away their obesity."

[sir_captain]

56. Thanks

Read through it...have to say, I find it highly unconvincing. Not about all the processed crap--I certainly agree with that part. But there are several basic scientific errors. While it says that glutamate is harmful, it gives no evidence (and that's because there is none, since glutamate is one of the most important amino acids in our bodies. We would all die without it.)

The "definition" it gives of hydrolysis is also totally ridiculous. I have no idea about the brown sludge they are talking abuot, but that has nothing to do with hydrolysis, which refers simply to the removal of a water molecule in any sort of chemical reaction--something I assure you is happening inside of you billions of times every day, and to fine effect.

And finally, it says that aspartame is "made up of" aspartate. That is nonsense. They are two completely different molecules, with completely different modes of action. And again, the idea that aspartate is a neurotoxin is completely ridiculous as well.

It's awesome that you try to be an informed consumer, and you are totally right to stay away from processed food. But you should be as skeptical of these sorts of claims as any other, IMHO.

Anyway, just my two cents.

[jus_the_facts]

60. You should read the whole thing before you make assertions against it.....

....a few snippets isn't enough information to assertain he's totally wrong....I'd be wary of an intern who wouldn't read up on my medical history before diagnosing and treating me. :think:

[sir_captain]

61. That's a false analogy

and I kind of resent your implication that I would be so unprofessional as to not read my patient's medical history. I have not made any personal attacks on you at all (and had no reason to.) I read what you showed me and responded to specific statements contained therein--what's wrong with that?

I have repeatedly said I reserve judgement without reading something, and that remains true. You kindly pasted in some text--I read it and pointed out that there are several absurd statements in it (and that there is no cited evidence for any of them.) This was not an attempt to judge you or even an attempt to argue with you--just adding my point of view on a topic that I have a certain amount of knowledge on.

How you manage to turn that into an attack on my professionalism is beyond me. Real classy.

Cheers.

[jus_the_facts]

63. Truce...

...that was entirely unnecessary....I apologize. :hide:

[sir_captain]

64. Apology accepted

Thanks--I appreciate it.

Ironically, I have to get back to work studying for a nutrition block exam. :-)

[jus_the_facts]

65. Good luck on your exam.....

:hi:

[KurtNYC]

66. Does not appear to be true

- A 1991 report by the European Community's (EC) Scientific Committee for Foods reaffirmed MSG's safety and classified its "acceptable daily intake" as "not specified", the most favorable designation for a food ingredient. In addition, the EC Committee said, "Infants, including prematures, have been shown to metabolize glutamate as efficiently as adults and therefore do not display any special susceptibility to elevated oral intakes of glutamate."

- A 1992 report from the Council on Scientific Affairs of the American Medical Association stated that glutamate in any form has not been shown to be a "significant health hazard".

- Also, the 1987 Joint Expert Committee on Food Additives of the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization and the World Health Organization have placed MSG in the safest category of food ingredients.

So he is alleging one hell of an international conspiracy participated in by doctors on 3 continents and enduring for over 20 years. More likely MSG is safe and he is cashing in on paranoia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monosodium_glutamate

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

54. While I agree with you...

there is a caveat.

Aspartate is not exactly the same as aspartic acid. If you'll remember your organic chemistry, it's the carboxylate ion. Now in foods that's paired with sodium, the MS in MSG. Now sodium does have consequences for many people, particularly with high blood pressure.

[sir_captain]

55. That's true

but nearly all of the amino acids exist in either acidic or basic forms depending on the PH of the environment, so I'd say that's a minor point.

You are certainly correct about sodium and hypertension.

[elocs]

39. I am waiting for them to find something

that does not cause cancer or disease in labratory rats. I'll stick with my diet soda. Isn't having free choice in America wonderful?

[jus_the_facts]

42. Touche'.....

:hi:

[RevolutionaryActs]

16. Mmm sugarrrrr....

:homer drool:

[lizziegrace]

20. That's really scary

:(

[reyd reid reed]

23. Don't

DO that.

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:hi:

[Oeditpus Rex]

24. Check the edit to the OP

It's not as bad as I thought.

[reyd reid reed]

29. Already saw it.

You're gonna take ten years off my life at that rate, y'know...

[lizziegrace]

25. Somebody likes that smilie!!

;)

[reyd reid reed]

28. Heh.

And now for something we hope you'll REALLY like:

[lizziegrace]

30. LOL!

:)

[Oeditpus Rex]

33. Fan mail from some flounder?

:shrug:

[jus_the_facts]

35. "FAN MAIL FROM AROUND THE WORLD...."

....I liked Captain Karl more than Mailman Mike though...."The sea Pee...the sea!" :D





:hi:

[reyd reid reed]

26. Re: edit...

Don't do that, either. You scared the living shit outta me.

(although 8 is still pretty bad....)

[Deja Q]

27. Doesn't a teaspoon of sugar make the world go round?

Bloody hell, Dr Pepper makes the whole bloody solar system go round... then barf. And from the smell and taste of Dr Pepper, fart too. (the diet cherry/vanilla flavor is to die for, however.)

[OnionPatch]

40. I thought it made the medicine go down

I do know a teaspoon of sugar always cures my hiccups. :)

[StellaBlue]

32. Yeah, isn't it AWESOME?!??!?!?!?!?

:bounce: :beer: :bounce: :beer: :bounce: :beer: :bounce: :beer: :bounce: :beer: :bounce: :beer: :bounce: :beer: :bounce: :beer: :bounce: :beer: :bounce: :beer:

Seriously, I LOVE Dr Pepper. Sugar doesn't bother me. High fructose corn syrup does. :scared:

You can buy the original recipe, cane sugar stuff from the Dublin Dr Pepper bottler and in an about-40-miles radius thereof. Otherwise, you're stuck with HFCS. Unless you live in another country. When I was in the UK, the stuff I drank had real sugar (but then the Europeans don't put HFCS in absofuckinglutely everything like we do. Uck.).

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

38. I drink Diet Dr. Pepper.

It tastes just like regular Dr. Pepper.

:thumbsup:

[Oeditpus Rex]

43. So I've heard

But that's another trade-off: sugar or chemicals? :shrug:

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

44. Well, HFCS is practically a chemical.

That shit is insideous and it's in fucking everything. I don't drink much soda, but when I do, it's either diet or stuff with real sugar (not HFCS). HFCS tends to give me headaches.

[donheld]

45. There is NO sugar in 12 ounces of Dr Pepper

It's all High Fructose Corn Syrup. Even Worse :scared:

[Random_Australian]

57. That's sugar.

[donheld]

58. So you've been led to believe

It's not and your body treats it quite differently. Believe me it's worse.

[Random_Australian]

59. Actually, it's not what I've been led to believe.

Sugar is just a class of compounds - and I for one don't expect congruent effects from any but identical chemicals.

Mind you, it does mean I expect the same effects from the sae chemicals.

And that was the other thing - Cr3+ as found in some vitamin tablets seems to be utterly superfluous.

[leftofthedial]

46. that's why I always have a Snickers bar

when I drink Dr. Pepper.

[reyd reid reed]

47. Now, the only time I resort to a Snickers bar

is with a DIET Dr. Pepper.

That's the way it's SUPPOSED to work.

Isn't it?

[NewWaveChick1981]

49. That's one reason I gave up sugary soft drinks.

:scared: I also eventually gave up diet soft drinks too because of artificial sweeteners. But sugary soft drinks are worse than most people realize.

These days, I drink lots of water, unsweetened hot teas, and coffee with stevia (on most mornings, but not always).

[supernova]

53. I gave up sodas a long time a go

I don't want nor need the sugar (cane or HFCS). Ditto the artificial sweetners.

Now I stick to water, tea mostly, some coffee (more likely w/ dessert at a restaurant), just something about coffee and cake or pie. :9 With that I just have a little cream, no sweetner at all.

I still like fizzy water, but now when I want that I drink flavored mineral water. I get the fizz and the flavor without the sugar or chemicals.


If I must use a sweetner, say in plain yogurt, I use agave syrup.

edit: I should add that when I did eat/drink those things... I realized that they just made me hungrier. They didn't satisify me at all. So I ate way more than I needed. Ditto pasta and bread.

[begin_within]

62. There is one Dr. Pepper plant in the U.S. that still uses real cane sugar...

Read about it at:

http://www.dublindrpepper.com/

and you can order it online and have it delivered to you at:

http://www.olddocs.com/

[HughBeaumont]

67. Just sayin' NO to the High FuckedDose Corn Throwup!

Shore up sugar prices, I'll say no to your chemically sweetened drinks, bastards.

Gave soda up this year and don't miss it a bit.

[Jamastiene]

68. I kno-oow.

:woohoo: I'm loaded on it right now. :woohoo: What'cha say? I'm a little shaky and wired? :woohoo: I hadn't noticed. :woohoo: Been too busy wondering why everything around me seems to be moving so slow. :woohoo:

:P

[babydollhead]

69. did anyone ever drink Yerba Mate?

Its such a nice tea. do a search on it, nothing but good news. it's zippy, energizing, releases fat from your fat globs. (and any stored up thc)helps with insomnia. there is no caffinated crash, jitters or addiction. no withdrawal headache. anyone else try this Elixer of Life?