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TN al Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 10:11 PM
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My neighbors pit bull dug under my fence today...
...and viciously attacked my German Shepherd. My dog had to go to the vet and get staples in his head. They are keeping him overnight for observation. A different neighbor saw the attack and came screaming over that the pit bull was going to kill my dog. The pit bull's owner called his dog back under the fence but not until damage was done. My wife was home when it happened and took the dog to the vet and called me. I called the police and filed a complaint against the pit bull's owner. The police talked to him and he admitted that the events that we swore out in the complaint happened as we said they did. The neighbor who witnessed it told my wife to be sure to include his name and contact information to the police because he thought the dog was vicious and needed to be removed. The police said that the pit bull owner promised to keep his dog chained in his yard. I told the policeman that that wasn't good enough for me and that I wanted the dog removed too. He said that he would turn it over to the animal control officer who would make a determination but that he would make a note that I wanted the dog out of here. The neighbor has owned a lot of pit bulls over the last six or seven years, I think he may breed them but its not a big operation if he does. A couple of years ago a different one got under the fence and bit one of my sons while he was mowing the lawn. I called the police on that one too and the animal control officer came out and took possession of the dog and told me they were going to euthanize it. The neighbor talked them out of it with a promise that he would send the dog away. Some time later a similar looking pit bull showed up again but I couldn't prove that it was the same dog. The neighbor is paying the vet bill but I don't think that that is good enough. My youngest son, 13 years old, asked why anyone would want to own a pit bull. I told him that they would want one for the same reason that people buy Hummers. Because they have a tiny dick. Your thoughts?
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 10:13 PM
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1. I'm sorry about your dog, but flvegan on this board runs a pit bull
rescue group and he will swear it is the owner and not the dog.

Because this is a pretty sensitive subject, you might want to edit your OP a bit.

Peace.
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 10:22 PM
Response to Reply #1
3. Thanks, Midlo.
From the total queer pit bull (and German Shepherd) lover.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 10:22 PM
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4. I tend to think it's the owners too...
I've know quite a few people who've had pit bulls and every dog was very nice and cuddly....it's how their trained....I mean all the pits I knew would kill for their owner but if trained right, they could be very cordial and very nice to other people.


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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 10:27 PM
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6. It IS the owner.
Otherwise, why wasn't the guy who sodomized the pit bull in this story bitten or attacked?


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=105&topic_id=6072089&mesg_id=6072089
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 11:12 PM
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32. His dog was just MAULED. Give him a break if he doesn't like pit bulls so much. nt
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 10:20 PM
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2. I don't have a dick, nor do I want one.
Pit bulls and German Shepherds are my two favorite breeds.

Blame the owner, not the breeder.
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 10:27 PM
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5. I've known plenty of pit bulls
and they were all very sweet and lovable dogs. Any dog can be vicious with an owner who doesn't care to train properly.
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lyrical di Donating Member (181 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 10:28 PM
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7. don't edit your post
Don't feel censored to edit your post. You have a valid opinion about pit bulls based upon this neighbor's breeding vicious dogs next to you. The owner should be held liable for the behavior and breeding of his dogs. For those of you who are immediately defending the breed, what if this was your dog or your child that had been attacked? If you have never witnessed the sheer power of a pit bull headlock, I don't think you can claim higher ground. The trauma from this is tremendous. I have seen it and I will never forget witnessing a calm animal suddenly lunge and attempt to kill another.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 10:30 PM
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Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 10:32 PM
Response to Reply #7
10. Valid opinion on a breed based upon the neighbor?
One example? So what if the neighbor was black? Muslim? Female?

Went there. Have at it, poster.
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lyrical di Donating Member (181 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 10:35 PM
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11. Two different dogs
Two different attacks. Read the presses of the vicious attacks. Those dont' come from just one owner. Most of those owners swear their dogs arent' vicious and are loving members of their families.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 10:40 PM
Response to Reply #11
15. Two different dogs of the same fucking owner.
Do you get it now?

I can bust out the Crayolas if you don't.

We're looking at one scenario. If you want to drag a complete breed bias into this, then bring it. I'm your huckleberry.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 10:42 PM
Response to Reply #15
17. Flvegan, it's not worth it.
Some people will only believe what they choose to believe, not the actual truth.
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lyrical di Donating Member (181 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 10:56 PM
Response to Reply #15
23. swear?
I guess you are very sensitive to this. I didn't deserve your vulgarities.
Vicious attacks on others?
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 11:05 PM
Response to Reply #23
26. "Deserve" is funny.
Always based in opinion.

Usually wrong.

It's a message board. If you don't want, or can't take vulgarities, then don't pick up a gauntlet that's been thrown down.
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lyrical di Donating Member (181 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 11:11 PM
Response to Reply #26
29. picking battles
You are right. This is a message board. There are rules about civility. I wasn't the one who made the comments relating to size of body parts. I was the one stating I had witnessed a pit bull attack before. That is a fact, not an opinion. I do have an opinion based upon facts. You have your own opinion based upon your facts and your experiences. I believe you may be a long-time poster, but I post infrequently because comments deteriorate rapidly.

I am sorry that TN AL has suffered from this attack. I just think it's funny that you have to throw around vulgarities to make your points for you. Well-reasoned arguments and facts do so much more than playground tit for tats. I'm done with this conversation. Continue to enjoy yours.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 11:14 PM
Response to Reply #29
33. I always enjoy a good strawman.
You begrudge a breed because you witnessed something. You have an opinion based on opinion.

Remind the Court next time jury duty comes up that you carry grudges like they're luggage, k?

Bye.
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TN al Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 11:18 PM
Response to Reply #26
36. You know its funny...
...but I don't recall reading in the DU TOS That flvegan and midlodemocrat are the grand arbiters of what is an acceptable and appropriate topic in the DU lounge. Perhaps you could direct me to the passage that points that out?

It is also my experience that people swear because their vocabulary is not quite large enough to enable them to make themselves understood without the foul language. Of course I have it on good authority that my experience "sucks". And I also have it on good authority, from midlodemocrat no less, that you are lacking in nothing so perhaps I should re-evaluate. Still, how does midlo know so much about your assets?
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 11:32 PM
Response to Reply #36
41. If one wants to attack
vocabulary, one should really (and I mean REALLY) go through their previous posts and make sure they leave NOTHING hanging out there to be attacked, likewise. You know...spelling, punctuation, grammar...

Thanks for taking it all personally, though. I don't recall where flvegan nor midlodemocrat stated they were "grand arbiters of what is an acceptable...topic..." anywhere. Please...enlighten me.

How "does midlo know so much about (my) assets?" Good one. That's rich.
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TN al Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 11:44 PM
Response to Reply #41
43. Hmmmm, insinuations are a wing nut tactic...
...you know, like some people SAY that a certain Democrat is lacking in something that a certain repub has in abundance, but I'm not saying it. I am just reporting what others are saying. You know, insinuations. I think, also, that most studies would agree that swearing is often because of a lack of a vocabulary and not an inability to spell, punctuate, or use proper grammar. So the two really have nothing to do with each other. What were you saying about a strawman?
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 11:53 PM
Response to Reply #43
45. Guess you'd know.
This is classic.

I'm bookmarking this one.

Thank you!
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 12:26 AM
Response to Reply #36
48. Wow, guess what else is really funny?
I don't recall reading in either Midlo's or Flvegan's post that they were the "grand arbiters of what is an acceptable and appropriate topic in the DU lounge."

Please direct me to the passage that points that out.

Let's face it, to condemn an entire breed (of course, "pit bull" is usually used for any bully-type dog) on one bad experience "sucks." I've been viciously attacked by a lhasa apso. Do I hate all lhasas? No. That *particular* dog was insane. My neighbor's idiotic beagle attacked my German Shepherd *twice.* Does that mean beagles can't be trusted around other dogs? No, that beagle wasn't good with other dogs (and dumb for attacking a 95lb Shepherd).

As for what Midlo knows about Flvegan's assets, his work saving pit bulls is quite well known on DU. Perhaps you should look up some of his threads on the "killer" dogs he's rescued.
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 12:47 AM
Response to Reply #11
52. And if you look into the story of "most of those owners" there's a chained-up, abused dog behind it.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 11:46 PM
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44. Headlock?
Did it go after you from the top rope too? They don't have locking jaws. That's a myth.

Another myth is that pitties are abnormally aggressive or likely to "snap." They're actually scored really well on temperament tests, and studies of dog bites almost never put pits or bully breeds generally near the top of the list of dogs that bite, despite their popularity and undeserved reputation.

You know what? I've been bit by one (actually a pit/rottie mix.) I don't think much of that dog or the people that raised him, but I'm not going to blame a whole breed for it. Doing so is rather like claiming that bias against a whole race of people is justified because one person of that race hurt you once. For every aggressive pit or mix I've ever known (a grand total of three, counting the one that bit me) I've known dozens who were lovable and loving, even when their histories were ones of horrific abuse and neglect.
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 12:34 AM
Response to Reply #7
50. What is a pit bull headlock?
Does the dog wrap one of his legs around his target and give it a noogie?

If you're referring to their so-called "locking jaws," then you have no clue what you're talking about. A pit bull's jaws do not lock. Their jaws work the same as any other dog.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 10:30 PM
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9. I am sorry about your dog. Nobody should have to worry about
their neighbors and their animals. "Pit bulls" come in many shapes and sizes, most of them not being the shape and size of a "pit bull" if you get my drift.

"Chained in his yard" is strike one. A dog that's chained 24/7 is going to have issues, regardless of breed.

The neighbor has "owned a lot of pit bulls...and he may breed them" is strike two. Breeders largely don't care. It's money. It's like treating a Chevy Malibu well.

You want strike three? Get his homeowners insurance info. Fuck this asshole. Force this to stop. Sue him/them. Call Code Enforcement, call Animal Control on the carpet for this.

Next up to bat..."tiny dick" comment. You really want my thoughts?

I run a rescue that deals largely in bully breeds. Answer that last question very, very carefully.
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idgiehkt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 10:41 PM
Response to Reply #9
16. wow
you are more badass than me, lol.

I didn't even think about the homeowners insurance thing. Good call.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 10:48 PM
Response to Reply #16
21. My bag of dirty tricks puts Santa to shame.
Mine's bigger.
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 10:36 PM
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12. My Brattie ran into a pit bull at the doggie park
and tried to hump it repeatedly. The pit bull didn't seem to mind. I think it's the owner, too. I've known other pit bulls that were very sweet dogs. I'm very sorry about your shepherd, TN al. I wish him a speedy recovery and you a restful night's sleep. How traumatic for you!

BTW, here's my ferocious Brattie who humps pit bulls and 25# cats:

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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 10:37 PM
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13. If you know who the neighbor has his homeowner's insurance with
make a casual call and inquire if they have any special requirments or exclusion for specific breeds of dogs. Some companies will not insure for liability if they have had problems with specific breeds. Some will tag on a monster surcharge to policies if homeowners breed dogs deemed by the local population to be dangerous.

I don't like to be a dog nazi, because the problem almost ALWAYS rests with the human part of the team, but since you have already had one of this man's dog attack your son, and another attack your big dog, it is something his insurer might want to know about.

Of course he'll pay the vet bill. If he ever got sued, he would be up shit creek. I don't advocate a neighborhood war, but the guy has got two big strikes against him for the same problem. Not pretty to see a small child get nailed by a poorly bred and raised powerful dog that is not properly restrained.

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idgiehkt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 10:39 PM
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14. My thoughts are that your dog is not safe in your yard.
And that completely sucks. And that pit bulls are very strong and can easily break a conventional tether. I would keep my dog in the house when I am not home, otherwise it is a sitting duck. Most likely animal control won't do much unless the dog bites a human. So in the event your dog is attacked again and you break it up, try to get bit, or say you did, and say the dog *charged* you. When it attacks another dog they don't take it as seriously. I know what I might do, but I'm not going to say it here. And it has nothing to do with the specific *breed* of the other dog. I would be mad as hell. You are responsible, your dog was in a fence, on your property, and got attacked. I've bathed and bandaged dogs that were attacked on their owner's property, one in particular that had holes in it's body big enough to put my fist in, that was tethered to a dog house with a chain. In trying to escape the attack he drug his dog house about 30 feet, and he couldn't have weighed more than 30 pounds. He died.

Lol, I just read the part about the breed. I really don't want to get into that aspect of it, but I do feel that any animal that attacks my pet on my property is a dead animal if it shows up on my property again, or if I feel my pet is in danger from it again. I have constructed about ten fences at different places I've lived, and I make them tall, and very sturdy, and either trench them or stake them in the ground, because I am a responsible pet owner and don't want anything to happen to my pets. So far I've been blessed that nothing has. But in the event of an animal coming on my property and attacking one of mine...buh-bye. Get creative...neither you nor your pet should have to live in fear like that.
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Omphaloskepsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 10:43 PM
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18. We used to have a pit bull.
It was a puppy.. We only had it for a few weeks and it tore four kittens apart. My sister found the kitten parts in the yard. When my dad got home he tied the dog to a fence and shot it in the head.

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TN al Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 10:51 PM
Response to Reply #18
22. Interesting...
Edited on Wed Jan-17-07 10:56 PM by TN al
...according to the theory other posters on this thread have championed I guess you are an irresponsible dog owner. Of course I am only extrapolating what they have said and applying it to the situation you have described. Personally I applaud your father for his actions. Maybe somebody else here would have liked to "rescue" it though.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 11:10 PM
Response to Reply #22
27. What's interesting is how
the dog in the post got the kittens. Looks like someone wasn't watching the dog. A dog shouldn't be left alone with children, nor kittens.

Tying the dog to a fence and shooting it is the mark of a real man. A real man that just doesn't get it.

Applaud the revenge all you want. Doesn't make it right.

Aside from any true aggression and damage, considering this was "a puppy" (remember?) a rescue would have been a sound choice. Sad it wasn't a choice made.
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Omphaloskepsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 11:18 PM
Response to Reply #22
35. Ummm... I was six years old..
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 11:12 PM
Response to Reply #18
30. !
Great post. Some dads are just awesome, huh?
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Omphaloskepsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 11:23 PM
Response to Reply #30
38. My mother shot my father for beating my sister one night. I was ten.
I wasn't bragging about my dads love of killing. I told what had happened in the past without commentary. OK you love the breed, great. I get it.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 11:27 PM
Response to Reply #38
40. I suggested that
he might've not "gotten it" and I think I stand uncorrected.

I didn't suggest that your dad loved killing, did I? If I did, please show me where I did.
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 12:49 AM
Response to Reply #18
53. Several things:
Ignoring how your asshat dad handled the situation.

1. Animal aggression does not translate into human aggression.

2. Aggression with strange animals does not necessarily translate into aggression with animals it knows.

3. Dogs shouldn't be left unsupervised.
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TN al Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 10:44 PM
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19. Tiny dick is of course a euphamism...
... but it is my experience that men who own eye-catching cars, such as a Hummer, large vicious dogs, such as a pit bull, or multiple assault weapons, such as an AK-47, often acquire them because of a self-perceived deficiency in some manly quality or other. To employ another euphemism they see a flashy car, mean dog, or big gun as an extension to what they are lacking.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 10:46 PM
Response to Reply #19
20. Did you read what I wrote?
That there is a long time DUer who runs a pit bull rescue here?


You're entitled to your opinion and I am sorry about your dog, but that's not a reason to insult a fellow DUer which you just did again.

And, if you haven't seen a pic of flvegan, you might want to check out the latest pic thread. That ought to put to rest any confusion about what he might be 'lacking'.

:eyes:
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 11:00 PM
Response to Reply #19
25. Then I guess your "experience" sucks
"eye-catching cars" to include fast exotics, classic muscle or a VW van with a kickass paintjob? Some folks dig cars.

"large vicious dogs" to include any other breed of dog you find that you don't like and want to frame as such? Some folks dig those breeds.

"multiple assault weapons" to include military that own them. My dad did. He wasn't violent in the least.

I don't think I "lack" as you've stated.
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 12:43 AM
Response to Reply #19
51. Many people would say that a German Shepherd is a large, vicious dog.
They are much larger than pit bulls and more likely to bite. The two breeds of dogs most likely to bite are German Shepherds and Chow Chows. When pit bulls are referred to in statistics, it actually refers to any dog belonging to a bully-type breed or a mix thereof. This quite understandably skews the statistics regarding pit bulls quite a bit. Pure bred pit bulls actually score higher than German Shepherds on temperment tests.

Before you accuse me of putting down German Shepherds...

This is my Cheyenne (RIP). I miss her crazy self so fucking much.


And this is Jaycee (RIP), an *ABUSED* Shepherd/Pit Bull mix we rescued (sweetest fucking dog on the planet):


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TN al Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 12:59 AM
Response to Reply #51
57. Like these statistics?
According to the Clifton study, pit bulls, Rottweilers, Presa Canarios and their mixes are responsible for 74% of attacks that were included in the study, 68% of the attacks upon children, 82% of the attacks upon adults, 65% of the deaths, and 68% of the maimings. In more than two-thirds of the cases included in the study, the life-threatening or fatal attack was apparently the first known dangerous behavior by the animal in question. Clifton states:

If almost any other dog has a bad moment, someone may get bitten, but will not be maimed for life or killed, and the actuarial risk is accordingly reasonable. If a pit bull terrier or a Rottweiler has a bad moment, often someone is maimed or killed--and that has now created off-the-chart actuarial risk, for which the dogs as well as their victims are paying the price.

Clifton's opinions are as interesting as his statistics. For example, he says, "Pit bulls and Rottweilers are accordingly dogs who not only must be handled with special precautions, but also must be regulated with special requirements appropriate to the risk they may pose to the public and other animals, if they are to be kept at all."

(snip)

There have been many news reports about deaths caused by dogs in the USA. The attention given to the homicides has put the spotlight on pit bulls and Rottweilers. There is a very good reason for focusing on these two breeds: in recent years, they have usually been the number one and number two canine killers of humans. It therefore is correct to single out those two breeds when talking about canine homicides, because those two breeds lately have caused half or more of the deaths -- a disgraceful statistic whether it is regarded as the fault of the dogs, their breeders, their owners, or all three.


There is lots more here: http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/statistics.html

And goodness gracious I have no idea how I could have possibly thought pit bulls could be a dangerous dog.
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 01:03 AM
Response to Reply #57
58. Yeah, I'm well-versed in that site.
"pit bulls, Rottweilers, Presa Canarios and their mixes are responsible for 74% of attacks"

Once again, pit bull refers to a number of breeds and their mixes. And yes, they do attract fucking idiots. It is not the breed's fault. Then, you add in Presa Canarios and Rotties to further skew the statistics. We need tougher animal abuse laws. That is what will crack down on the number of dog attacks (and animal suffering).

Also, German Shepherds and Chow Chows are still the purebred breeds that are single-handedly most responsible for dog bites.
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TN al Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 01:15 AM
Response to Reply #58
62. Gee, what a bad rap these dogs have gotten.
I think maybe I'll go out and rescue a dozen or so myself tonight.


The Pit bull, friend or killer? Is the Pit bull a fine animal, as its admirers claim, or is it a vicious dog, unfit for society?






America has a four-legged problem called the American pit bull terrier. And the pit bull, its ''ridiculously amiable disposition' ' notwithstanding, has a two-legged problem called Man. These two species are not new to each other. They have intermingled for some 200 years, and some say their common history goes back as far as the Romans. But something has happened to the pit bull in the last decade that says as much about the nature of American society as it does about the nature of this aggressive animal. Far from being an aberration, the American pit bull terrier has become a reflection of ourselves that no one cares very much to see. ''They're athletes. They're wrestlers. They're dead game,'' says Captain Arthur Haggerty, a dog breeder and trainer in New York City who owns five pit bull terriers and has trained hundreds of others. ''They will literally fight till they're dead. If you found that quality in a boxer or a football player, you'd say it was admirable. Will to win. That's what a pit bull has.'' Others call it a ''will to kill.''



At least 35 communities nationwide have considered banning the breed from within their city limits, and while such ordinances have run into constitutional problems stemming from the difficulty in defining exactly what a pit bull terrier is, their number is growing weekly. The horror stories involving pit bulls are voluminous. Recent tragedies include the death of two-year-old James Soto, who was mauled in Morgan Hill, Calif., on June 13 by a neighbor's pit bull. The attack rendered the child ''unrecognizable as a human being,'' according to paramedics. Nine days later a national television audience watching the evening news was treated to the terrifying spectacle of a pit bull terrier attacking Los Angeles animal control officer Florence Crowell. The 33-year-old woman survived but spent five days in the hospital. On April 6, a retired surgeon, 67-year-old William Eckman, was killed by two pit bulls on a street in Dayton, Ohio. On that same day, 16-month-old Melissa Larabee of Jones, Okla., was killed by the family's pet pit bull, who bit her in the throat. In June 1986, 20-month-old Kyle Corullo was attacked by a pit bull in Ramsay, Mich., while playing in his grandmother's backyard. The dog, fighting off the child's mother, dragged the boy into a nearby lot and shook him to death ''like a stuffed animal.''



In the last 18 months, 12 of the 18 confirmed dog-related fatalities in the U.S. -- or 67% -- have been caused by the pit bull terrier, a breed that accounts for only 1% of the U.S. dog population. And the maimings are far more numerous. Often it is small children who are the victims of unprovoked attacks. There is no definitive source for animal attack statistics, but pit bull fanciers claim that statistics show other breeds of dog bite more frequently -- German shepherds lead the list -- and accuse the media of publicizing only pit bull maulings.



DOG BITES MAN isn't news, they say, but PIT BULL BITES MAN is. Unfortunately the pit bull, when it attacks, doesn't merely bite man -- or, most horribly, child -- it clamps its powerful jaws down and literally tears its victim apart. ''The injuries these dogs inflict are more serious than other breeds because they go for the deep musculature and don't release; they hold and shake,'' says Sheryl Blair of the Tufts Veterinary School, in North Grafton, Mass., which last year held a symposium entitled Animal Agression: Dog Bites and the Pit Bull Terrier. ''Most breeds do not multiple-bite,'' says Kurt Lapham, a field investigator for the West Coast Regional office of the Humane Society. ''A pit bull attack is like a shark attack: He keeps coming back.'' ''A pit bull,'' says Judge Victor E. Bianchini of San Diego, '' is the closest thing to a wild animal there is in a domesticated dog."



http://www.dogexpert.com/Popular%20Press/Stories/Pitbullfriend.html
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 10:58 PM
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24. My dog was attacked by a pit bull last weekend...
fortunately she wasn't hurt. it's a pretty vicious dog...but the dog's owner is a drunken asshole, which probably reflects why the dog is so surly and vicious.
i have nothing against pit bulls. i love dobermans, too, which some people would think of as vicious. the sweetest dogs i ever knew were a pair of dobermans my uncle used to have...
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idgiehkt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 11:12 PM
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31. I love dobies
they look like big goofy hounds without their ears and tails docked.
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 11:16 PM
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34. I remember my uncle's dog...named dobie...the first time he growled at me...
cause he thought I was an intruder...but when i called out to him, he changed completely, he wagged his tail, and become a friendly loving dog again...just imaging though...if i had been a burglar, i would've been crapping my pants ^_^
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idgiehkt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 11:33 PM
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42. dogs aren't very visual sometimes
I think they use their ears and nose alot more than their eyes. Or maybe like that book 'you'll never believe how much I smell you' or whatever, we smell so bad or so strongly to them they never have to look at us to see who we are so when we are out of smell range they don't know who we are?

:shrug:

my parent's dog did the same thing to me the other day. I purposely didn't call out to him though because I wanted to see if he was aggressive or not, instead he kept barking and backing up and trying to hide (I was halfway down their driveway which is really long). I was relieved he wasn't aggressive because he's so goofy in other ways. But he was so relieved when I called out and he realized it was me. Up until that point he had no idea who it was.
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 11:26 PM
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39. I have a dobie/lab mix.
She looks more dobie. She is just under sixty pounds.

She is the most lovable dog around. She is very smart, and was easy to train. The only problem is that she thinks everyone is her friend. She would probably take off with anyone who offered her a ride in the car.

She does not have docked ears or tail. We got her from someone who had unwanted mixed puppies. I like the way she looks.

Rotties have bad reputations, too. Yet they can be very nice dogs.

I am sorry your dog was hurt. I would be frantic if it was my dog.
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 11:11 PM
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28. Jesus bro, I feel for you
Edited on Wed Jan-17-07 11:12 PM by fishnfla
First your kid gets bit, then your pet. And it sounds like your next door neighbor aint exactly Mr Rodgers. To top it off you are getting your ass chewed off by some hypersensitive DUers for a horrible, horrible insult. :eyes:

Bad victim!
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slj0101 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 11:22 PM
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37. I know you're upset, and I don't blame you.
Sounds like the owner's a real ass. I'll concur with others and say that the dog is a product of its owner, but your "tiny dick" comment shouldn't be edited. You're upset. I'd be too.

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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 11:57 PM
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46. I think you need to mind who you insult.
Edited on Wed Jan-17-07 11:57 PM by LeftyMom
My two closest friends in the universe have rescue pitties. (As you already found out upthread, one of them has a whole hell of a lot of them.) Neither has issues with their genitalia. They just have a habit of taking in the dogs who need them, and the dogs who need them happen to be pitties more often than not.
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 12:09 AM
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47. I'm sorry that happened to your dog.
I hope he recovers soon, and without further trauma.

Best wishes.
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Pithlet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 12:31 AM
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49. I think you can be forgiven just this once
Edited on Thu Jan-18-07 12:33 AM by Pithlet
for comments that weren't even directed at anyone in particular here on DU, seeing as your dog has frigging staples in his head. I can understand how that would upset someone. I'm sorry you're going through this. It must be horrible. I hope your poor German Shepard is better, soon :hug:
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 12:53 AM
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54. Your neighbor is an irresponsible owner. Don't hold the breed responsible.
The man is breeding unsocialized dogs without properly containing them. Tethering them will only add to the problem. He's someone who shouldn't have a dog of *any* breed. If he had German Shepherds, they wouldn't be any different.

Go after him via homeowner's insurance.

The situation really fucking sucks, but it's truly ignorant of you to blame the breed and blame "tiny dicks" for wanting to own a pit bull.
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 12:57 AM
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55. So we should get rid of her?
Edited on Thu Jan-18-07 12:59 AM by DBoon


Is this dog compensation for owning a Prius?

Someone dumped her in our neighborhood. We ended up keeping her. Should we have put her down?
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 12:58 AM
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56. Awww...
she's beautiful.

Good on you for rescuing her.
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 01:05 AM
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60. We made damn sure to socialize her with other dogs
Since she was six weeks old. I've heard its very important for this breed, so we made an extra effort.

She's very playful with other dogs, and is respectful of smaller dogs (isn't more than 6 inches away from them when trying to play with them)
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 01:10 AM
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61. I fostered a pit this summer for awhile.
He was left chained up in a yard for a week when his owners were evicted. Some kids from the local school were hopping the fence to give him food and water. Otherwise, he would have died in the heat. Anyway, the poor thing was all scarred up from some barbed wire in the yard, but he fortunately wasn't taken to be a bait dog (this was in the ghetto).

He was scared to death of one of my cats, because she scratched his nose. I joked that he didn't know he was supposed to be a killer.
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Pithlet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 01:03 AM
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59. I think he's been piled on enough. Can we all give him a break, now?
If my cat had been mauled today and had staples in his head, I'm not sure I'd be all that clear of mind, and I'd certainly hope I'd get some support here even if I was a little vicious in my rant. I'd hope people would understand that I was hurting. He didn't even direct this at anyone here. It was clear this fellow DUer is very angry and hurt and upset and worried about his dog. It's also pretty understandable that he's angry at the owner, and in the rant he may have projected just a little. So what? He's a fellow DUer who's dog has been mauled.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 01:22 AM
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63. Locking
This has become inflammatory.

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