"A Charlie Brown Thanksgiving" just caused an argument in our house -- I need input

[LostinVA]

I've never noticed that Woodtsock eats turkey at the very end. Woodstock is a BIRD and he ate TURKEY -- I declared that horrible and twisted. Haruka insists it's no different than my eating another mammal, like a cow. I think it's more like me eating a chimp or another higher primate.

Your opinion:

1. Is it sick that Woodstock eats turkey?

2. And, is it comparable to a human eating a cow or a primate?

[ulysses]

1. hey, he wins the wishbone pull.

What's not to like?

[LostinVA]

3. I missed that -- I was too freaked out

[hippywife]

2. Many birds are omnivorous.

Some of the large raptors will eat other smaller birds.

[LostinVA]

5. But Woodstock is a Beagle Scout -- not a falcon (Haruka agrees with you, btw!)

[Lady Freedom]

4. My parrot use to eat turkey.

He even flew across the room just to take a big bite out of my turkey leg one year.

[mopinko]

11. my parrot loves it, too.

chicken, turkey, meat in general.
the very notion of cannibalism is something that only humans (some of them, anyway) even begin to have a problem with.

[noamnety]

42. same with my parents' parrot

he loves little drumsticks he can hold in one hand while nibbling on them.

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

6. Wow!

You guys have too much time on your hands :)

[The Sushi Bandit]

7. Did you notice that Woodstock said...

tastes like chicken!

[LostinVA]

8. Peppermint Patty also complained alot for a freeloader

[Dukkha]

55. I thought he said

!!! ! ! !! ! !!!! ! !! !! !!! !!!! !!! !!! ! !!

[Rhythm]

9. Depends on what kind of bird Woodstock actually is...

It's indeterminate, but if he was, per se, a raptor of some kind, then eating a fowl type would be o.k.
Eagles and hawks eat doves... seen them catch them in mid-air before.

[KamaAina]

10. Humans actually do eat primates, called "bushmeat".

Not a good idea, for both health and ecological reasons, but they do.

Of course, they also eat mayo and mustard. :puke:

[LostinVA]

12. Good point -- that's how some diseases/viruse spread

[quakerboy]

40. darn tootin.

Mayo is bad news.

[harmonicon]

43. and don't forget mayo and mustard mixed together!!

Yum!!

[flvegan]

13. How do I put this...Woodstock is a cartoon.

But, in the interest of the conversation, I agree with Haruka. So, don't have another cow, man.

[LostinVA]

15. WTF are you talking about???

Next you'll be saying Santa doesn't exist.

:eyes:

[Midlodemocrat]

32. Way to ruin Thanksgiving, Hitler. Can't wait to see what you have in store for Christmas.

[flvegan]

36. The Grinch is a cartoon as well, WalMart

[Midlodemocrat]

38. I *thought* this was a progressive site. I don't even know DU anymore.

:cry:

[LostinVA]

86. I can't believe you weren't TSed during the Primaries

[Fire Walk With Me]

14. You're only just catching on to the subtle messages of hate in the Charlie Brown "universe"?

Teachers are portrayed as being unable to even speak a language recognizably from our planet, and force youngsters with developing lungs to clap chalk-dust laden erasers in exchange for emotional favoritism. The psychotic canine hates Germans and fantasizes destroying them personally with rapid-fire weaponry, often terrorizing them from the sky, where they stand no chance of escape. Lucy takes advantage of Charlie Brown's addiction by constantly tormenting him to kick the football. Their baseball field often floods to astonishing, life-threatening levels, and no adult is to be seen, either to save the endangered children, or to note the situation and install a "warning, floods" sign. Schroeder has a piano which exists in the fourth dimension, often presenting a complex "horizon perspective" when seen on stage with the rest of the children. No one notices. Lucy keeps enticing Linus into pre-adolescent snogging and no adult is supervising, much less educating them in the pain of relationships. Birds and dogs communicate in spite of entirely differing written languages. Charlie Brown is obviously clinically depressed yet no one offers him recreational drugs. One child is obviously abandoned and cannot manage to keep himself clean, to levels matching the homeless. No adults are present to do a thing.

This bunch is worse than the Scooby Doo! gang, by a long shot. This is what happens to the unsupervised. It's like Lord of the Flies.

[LostinVA]

18. Jesus. there's no way I can watch "A Charlie Brown Christmas" next month

[Fire Walk With Me]

24. Where do you imagine the War on Christmas began?

With The Great Pumpkin, seducing generations of our children away from God and Country.

:rofl:

[LostinVA]

26. The Religious Right has been RIGHT?!

[Fire Walk With Me]

27. The entire time.

Now pardon me while I watch back-to-back episodes of Spongebob Squarepants in order to prepare myself for pimping my body to other men.

[harmonicon]

45. you're just seeing snippets of their lives

Trust me: Charlie Brown and Linus take LOADS of recreational drugs. Why do you think they spend so much time standing on a bridge and looking at the water?

[Fire Walk With Me]

46. You have a point.

Those shows were made in the days before you could show recreational drug use among consenting 'toons. You had to read between the lines to "get it". I'm glad that we now live in a society where 'toons are free to inhale, and not have to be euphemistic about it.

[pokerfan]

72. They used to show them smoking dope on the bridge

but those scenes are cut these days to make room for more commercials. In ACBC, when they are dancing on the stage, they're actually all raving on MDMA. And, of course, the source of Snoopy's Red Baron fantasies? LSD.

[begin_within]

51. Not to mention the pagan religion

Worshipping the Great Pumpkin

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

75. It's like an animated Chick tract

[Mad_Dem_X]

83. !

"Charlie Brown is obviously clinically depressed yet no one offers him recreational drugs."

:rofl:

[petronius]

16. Assuming that Woodstock is a canary, I'd say that taxonomically speaking

it's the same for him to eat a turkey as it is for us to eat a cow. Birds are Class Aves, but Woodstock is order passeriformes and a turkey is order galliformes. Cows and humans are class mammalia, but cows are order artiodactyla and humans are order primates. So, it's pretty much the same relationship.

However, for a family friendly cartoon in which a bird is a bird is a bird, it's kinda sick...

(And is Woodstock a canary? What the fuck is Woodstock?)

[LostinVA]

22. OMFG -- I SWEAR Haruka said almost the exact thing

And, what IS Woodstock??? He's like a canary, but he's wild. Is he an escaped canary???

[pitohui]

23. we assume that he is a canary but it is never made explicit

maybe he is a gloster canary with his cute little crest

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

25. Shrikes are passerine birds, and they are carnivorous.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrike

They impale their prey (including small birds) on thorns and then eat them. Maybe Woodstock is a shrike.

[Crunchy Frog]

28. Crows and ravens are too, and they eat pretty much everything.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

29. True, but shrikes are creepier. They *impale* their prey.

Little avian Vlad the Impalers. :scared:

[petronius]

34. Woodstock seems a bit cuddly to be a shrike; I can't see him impaling anything

That is a really creepy/awesome behavior, however - I've always wanted to see a shrike do that in the wild...

[pitohui]

41. there is no way that woodstock is a shrike EOM

,

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

44. Could he be a pitohui?

:hi:

[Crunchy Frog]

37. Yeah, shrikes are pretty cool. I wish I could have one as a pet.

:evilgrin:

[Midlodemocrat]

17. Peppermint Patty is gay.

[LostinVA]

19. God, you're a homophobe

It's all just gay, gay, gay with you.

[Midlodemocrat]

31. God's will, Freeper. Well, him and Fred Phelps.

If memory serves, you know all about Fred Phelps.

[datasuspect]

20. woodstock is a tool of global corporate fascist gangsters

[pitohui]

21. it is not sick, it is comparable to you eating a cow

we don't know the species of woodstock but he is clearly a passerine (a higher songbird species, let us for the fun of it say that he is a canary)

a turkey is a primitive bird, you are more closely related to that hamburger you ate than woodstock is to that turkey drumstick

there is nothing sick about woodstock enjoying the turkey

my parrots don't mind a good turkey casserole, in fact, i believe they're eating a nice chicken pasta right at that moment -- and parrots are not so taxonomically advanced as the passerines (not that they're anything close to poultry either)

if you were a shark, would you refuse to eat fish? i don't think so!

[Midlodemocrat]

33. Whoooooooosh!!!!!!!

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

47. I missed her posts in my time away from DU

Haruka :loveya: pithoui.

[YankeyMCC]

30. Not as bad as the talking

M&M's eating M&M's on those commercials :)

[Fire Walk With Me]

35. Raisins sing and dance, to get us to eat them.

-Benny and Joon

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

76. OMFG -- I never thought of THAT!>?

[harmonicon]

39. Haruka is right (nt)

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

48. I always am

[harmonicon]

74. great!

So am I! What a coincidence.

[crim son]

49. Gotta side with you on this one.

Gah. I never noticed that but haven't seen the cartoon in decades. Obviously it's vile and perverted. :D

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

59. Woodstock, whatever the hell he is, is no more related to a turkey

Than you are to a cow. Personally, I think eating a cow is disgusting, but that's another argument.

[crim son]

62. As deeply as I respect you, *cough, cough*

you cannot deny that Woodstock is an abominable bird and though he may deserve to be eaten himself, when he eats turkey he becomes DESPICABLE. And how did you find out about my husband's family?

[OmahaBlueDog]

50. We had the same discussion. It is bad and wrong

[LostinVA]

91. Glad to know SOMEONE agrees with me

[ileus]

52. woodstock isn't a turkey...hawks eat birds.

Buzzards don't care if they eat birds.

Chickens sure don't care to peck and eat other dead and live chickens.

[Fire Walk With Me]

53. Birds are just small dinosaurs. They'd eat us if they could.

Cats too. They try to hide it, but they aren't perfect liars.

All of the time.

[ileus]

54. Owls are just cats with wings.

[Fire Walk With Me]

56. Really creepy cats with wings. Good point.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

57. If Woodstock ate another bird of his kind, I'd say it was twisted...

But this is like buzzards eating carrion, or hawks eating sparrows.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

61. Exactly

And, for the record, I used to have parakeets and a cockatiel. They'd eat chicken & turkey.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

63. They need the protein...

Besides, it's not as if he hunted the turkey down and chopped his head off.

[LostinVA]

87. NOT THAT WE KNOW OF

[Dukkha]

58. I look forward to the next special about McCain

[MountainLaurel]

60. How funny -- Mr. Laurel was commenting on the same thing

And I definitely think it compared to us eating another primate.

[Gormy Cuss]

64. I say

don't argue with your wife about this. You two will NOT agree here.
:hi:

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

65. I'm adding it to the list of things we'll never agree on

It's now up to three.

1. Guns (she's a gun-grabber :eyes:)

2. Death Penalty (she's thinks it's "murder" :eyes:)

3. Woodstock eating turkey (she is just flat out wrong here :eyes:)

[pokerfan]

66. Maybe it's Tofurky

[Tom Kitten]

68. You're probably right

The real turkeys are those who actually read this whole thread...

[MarthaMyDear]

67. I just saw it, too...I thought it was GROSS! ack-y!

[LostinVA]

88. THANK YOU!!!

[Orrex]

69. Lots of birds eat birds

For all we know, Woodstock is a tiny hawk.

And sure it's comparable to a human eating a cow or primate.


Incidentally, of the triad of canonical Peanuts holiday specials, this one is the definite stinker. In addition to Snoopy's often cruel treatment of Woodstock, the whold thing just plods its way through, desperate to recapture the earlier magic and never coming anywhere near it.

The best line is between Linus and Patty, when Linus reflects that the day's situation is much like an historical episode from centuries earlier.

"This isn't like that at all," snaps Patty.

[Hardrada]

73. There also exists a Valentine's Day Peanuts episode.

I suppose this involves some interminable tripe about the "little red-haired girl."

[Lucian]

70. Yeah, Woodstock is a cannibal.

He ate his own kind, so that means he's a cannibal.

[Kali]

71. Watson, the blue and gold that owns us eats chicken.

and steak and pork and pizza and just about any damn thing he can except bugs.

[SeattleGirl]

77. But, but,

I love you BOTH!!!

I can't decide which of you is right!

Please don't make me! :cry:

:)

[hobbit709]

78. I guess you've never seen what free range chickens eat.

Anything that moves that they can swallow. They'll eat bugs and any small critters they can catch.

[Beer Snob-50]

79. woodstock is a bird with human tendencies.

thus it is not sick he eats turkey. if it were tweety eating turkey, it would be akin to a human eating another human.

[LostinVA]

89. Okay, I can accept that logic -- except I want to add that I HATE Tweety Bird

[baldguy]

80. Like eagles eating pigeons?

[bigwillq]

81. It's not sick.

It's comparable to a human eating a cow or another animal. I never had primate so can't tell you on that one.

I agree with Haruka on this one. :P ;) :)

[Deep13]

82. Cartoons can eat whatever they want.

Falcons eat other birds.

[Hissyspit]

84. It always bugged me when I was a kid.

[Parche]

85. was pigpen gay?

:shrug::rofl: :hi:

[LostinVA]

90. No, but I think Squidward is

[Parche]

92. squidward?

who?

did you make that up?

:hi:

[LostinVA]

93. Spongebob's nemesis -- and neighbor