L O S T

[graywarrior]

Here is a cool link that connects each character to other characters before the crash

http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index?pn=connection

Click on a face and you'll get a description of how each character met before they got on the plane.

[Kajsa]

1. Thanks for the link, Gray.

So, the cast knew of each other prior to the crash.
This plot gets more interesting as it moves along.

Sometimes though, I get the feeling that the writers
sit in their room, sucking down some bomber weed
and say " hey- you really want to mess with their minds?
listen to this---" and they write and produce it.

Don't get me wrong, I still love this show and I'm
hooked on it.

[graywarrior]

2. I think they had it all down before they even aired the first show...

...rewriting as needed.

[Kajsa]

3. That is one hell of a project!( spoilers)

adding in the episodes recapping last week's show with the
explanations, that's a lot of writing.

Main questions now( among many)

Is Ben dead or isn't he?
Is Locke dead or isn't he?

From my last impression, Locke was alive, again
and Ben wasn't.

:shrug:

[graywarrior]

4. I doubt they wrote each episode in advance

but I think they had the outcome all planned out before they starting shooting the first episode.

[DS1]

5. That's what the writers have said in interviews

however, they also promised everyone that time travel was not involved

[MilesColtrane]

6. Yeah, I think they're bullshitting about having it all planned out.

The explanation of why Ben didn't remember Sayid shooting him during the early interrogation scene seems like CYA backtracking to me.

Old Smoky of the Temple can heal young Ben.....BUT, HE WON'T REMEMBER ANYTHING!

[Goblinmonger]

8. I will give you that the temple memory thing

seems like kind of weak CYA at this point, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and see what plays out.

[Goblinmonger]

9. I remember them saying

that when this is all over, there is something in the first couple episodes that will "prove" it was all planned. Since hearing that, I have believed it is the Adam and Eve couple they found with the black and white stones. I have thought over the seasons that they will turn out to be Sawyer/Kate, Penny/Desmond, Sawyer/Juliet.

[chemenger]

7. Love LOST. Hooked on the show.

But its getting to the point where I'm finding it hard to keep up with all the plot twists, interrelationships between the characters and the timeline.

I'm so confused ... :banghead:

[Goblinmonger]

10. Can't wait for tonight's episode

I think it is going to be some crazy shit.

[charlie and algernon]

11. Desmond kicks so much ass

Could it be possible charlie is THE charlie??? or just named after THE charlie???


Man, I love this show

[Goblinmonger]

12. I thought the same thing...and if you really want your brain to hurt

what if Desmond's child Charlie is Charles Widmore?

[charlie and algernon]

13. man, that'd be fucked up

Penny raising her father as an infant? :brain explodes:


and now what the hell is up with those new losties?

[charlie and algernon]

14. those last five minutes were EPIC

going take some time to process THAT

[Fleshdancer]

15. H O L Y C R A P ! ! ! ! !

:wow:

This was a mind blowing episode! I LOVED the ending! :bounce:

Ben is the most complex, most fascinating character I have ever seen on any tv show or movie. Once again, I think I like him. I'll probably feel differently by the time this season ends (again), but for now, I like him. May he follow Alex's advice.

[charlie and algernon]

16. i agree completely

Ben is the most well written character I've ever seen. Incredibly complex, you go from hating him to sympathizing him to wanting him dead to respecting him to ...

[Kajsa]

34. And, Ben will not kill a woman who

has a young child( who depends on her).

That's why he defied orders to shoot Danielle, came to
"adopt" Alex and that's what saved Penny's life at the end.

But I could be wrong.
We shall see.

Sometimes he's a mensch, other times Ben is a SOB.

[Wetzelbill]

27. I've said before

I think Ben and J.R. Ewing are the two best tv bad guys ever.

[Wetzelbill]

17. See Sayid should have known the island wouldn't let Ben die

Just not possible.

[Fleshdancer]

18. What lies in the shadow of the statue?

:wtf:

Why the secret code? Who is Ilana? Does she work for Ben? Does she work for Widmore? Is she referring to the four toed statue? Why is she taking Lapidus to wherever it is she's going?

For every question LOST answers, several questions pop up in its place.

[question everything]

25. Who are the other two?

We know that Ilana and Cesar were on the plane. But from where did the other two, working with Ilana come from?

[Fleshdancer]

29. I wondered that too

At this point I assume they were sitting in coach when the plane crashed and chose to follow her because she's the one with the gun and authoritative attitude.

[MilesColtrane]

30. Could that be where the H-bomb is?

Maybe they're on a mission to level the place.

[graywarrior]

19. How many more episodes this season?

Ben rocked the house tonight. Desmond kicked fucking ass, baby.

[Fleshdancer]

21. Five hours left

the last two episodes are combined for a two hour LOSTfest like the season premier:

5.12 = Dead is Dead (Tonight's episode)

5.13 = Some Like it Hoth

5.14 = The Variable

5.15 = Follow the Leader

5.16/17 = The Incident

[graywarrior]

32. Jeeze, so much can happen in five episodes

[Fleshdancer]

42. I'm just glad there aren't huge breaks in this season

If some of the finale spoiliers I found are true, then we're in for a wild ride. :D

[Wetzelbill]

20. Ben and Locke are so creepily awesome

They make a good pair of foes. Even when they are seemingly on the same side they both have crazy agendas a few steps ahead of everybody else other than each other.

[Fleshdancer]

23. You know it's a good episode when both these actors are involved

Both men are incredible actors. I don't know if they just really enjoy doing scenes together or if there's some sort of friendly rivalry going on, but they both seem to really step up their game when they're together. They both deserve awards for their performances on this show.

[SoxFan]

38. Tery O'Quinn won an Emmy, and Michael Emerson deserves one as well

Best performances on television, by far. They need to stop rewarding hams like Spader and Shatner and give credit where it is due.

[hibbing]

22. I need more

Hi,
Thanks for that link Gray. I'll have to spend some QT with it. I love the show, but once again am getting frustrated with a lot of these recent episodes. I guess I'm just impatient. I want *some* answers instead of more and more questions. Interesting to see comments from other fans about the episode tonight. I did enjoy the conversation between Ben and John about him killing him.

Peace

[Fleshdancer]

24. What questions are bothering you the most?

I really need to know more about this Jacob person/concept and I also need to know what happened to Claire. I was hoping this season would answer more questions, but most of the answers seem to be from questions presented at the beginning of this season or from the last episode of season 4.

[hibbing]

26. my brain hurts

Hi,
Oh good gosh, I can't even answer that, but it basically comes down to wth is going on??!!!

What was with those two characters they buried rather early, the brother and sister or not brother and sister? Wasn't there something with them moving after they were buried?

I just cannot keep track of who is where when. I guess I need to just relax and realize I will never grasp everything and enjoy it for what it is.

Peace

[Fleshdancer]

28. Lostpedia has helped me....

For anything that has already happened in LOST, I highly recommend using www.lostpedia.com as a source. I would be far more confused right now without it. Just do a search for whatever confuses you. It really does help.

:hi:

[MilesColtrane]

31. This episode was all about Locke's ownage of Ben.

Great moments when Ben looked like he was trying to weasel out of his face-to-face with Smokey, John would help him along...with a big "eat that, bitch" grin on his face.

In the end, maybe death would have been easier for Ben. He really looked totally defeated after he promised to follow Locke unquestioningly.

Scariest moment: when Ben first saw Alex (or whatever that was) underneath the temple. I just knew that she was going to turn into some kind of creature and would attack him and try to eat his face off.

[Kajsa]

35. Smokey was not as bad ass

as I had expected here.

I was expecting a lot of violence and flying bodies
and there was none of that.

[Patiod]

56. I actually thought the smoke effects were cheesey

When they're usually pretty good on this show

[SoxFan]

37. I thought Alex was going to "go Smokey" on Ben

Remember when Eko's brother appeared to him, turned into Smokey, and went apeshit on him? That's what I thought we were in for. Cool twist not going that route.

[graywarrior]

33. Where is Farady?

Where is Rose?

[alsame]

45. And Vincent - he's missing too. That dog knows everything. n/t

[graywarrior]

47. He showed up during the time change episodes

I think he was there for less than a minute.

[alsame]

49. And then just his leash was found during another time flash. I think

he's with Rose and Bernard. Wherever or whenever that is.

[graywarrior]

50. Rose and Bernard are off somewhere having wild sex and could give a rats ass

about the rest of the drama on the island.

[alsame]

51. ....

:rofl: :rofl:

[MorningGlow]

36. "What lies in the shadow of the statue" INDEED

:wtf:

So are we sure now that the statue is Anubis, god of the underworld? That was him having a chat with Smoky in that picture above the Smokey-holes.

(And WTF was it with pulling the plug on that drain?)

[hedgehog]

39. What critical information did Locke give Ben that made him expendable in

in Ben's mind?

Also, I vaguely remember Locke in the hands of the smoke monster in the early episodes. What happened then?

[MorningGlow]

44. He stared it down

And Smoky withdrew. That alone marks Locke as special, IMO.

[hedgehog]

54. Was Locke once grabbed and dragged along the ground by the smoke monster

or was that someone else?


Was it the smoke monster that grabbed the pilot right out of the cockpit in the first episode?

Why can't the smoke monster find people when they hide inside a group of trees?

[MorningGlow]

55. I don't remember whether Locke was ever dragged...

I have great gaping holes in my memory with this show--there's so much to remember I can't keep it all in my cranium. I'll hazard a guess and say I don't THINK Locke was ever dragged but lots of other people were. (But someone else here might recall differently.)

All I remember about the pilot was that he was Greg Grunberg :D--I liked the guy from Felicity and I was hoping he'd actually be sticking around, but noooOOOoo...I should have quit the show right then and there--it would've helped my psyche immensely! j/k I can't imagine not having watched every ep of this show since the beginning--I totally love having my head squoze every week.

Good question about the trees--I don't know the answer to that either. What I want to know is why the smoke monster's movement is usually accompanied by the sound of a chain (except in the temple). What IS that? I originally thought that the smoke was just a distraction, "smoke and mirrors", to scare people and mask an actual mechanism that grabbed people and dragged them away, but that theory of mine has been blown to bits. :banghead:

[wickerwoman]

46. That Eloise was the one he was supposed to speak too.

In the episode, Ben talks John down from killing himself. They're about to leave together and then Locke mentions that he has to see Eloise... she'll tell him how to get back to the island. You can see that's the moment when Ben decides to kill him. Before that, Ben didn't know how to get back to the island.

[hedgehog]

53. Thank you, I didn't have time to look it up.

[Fleshdancer]

52. Eloise Hawking

Ben strangled Locke right after Locke told him about Eloise Hawking.

[1gobluedem]

40. People are really into this show, aren't they

Last night my station launched a random EAS (emergency alert system) test at 9:45p and this morning my emailbox was filled with angry messages from LOST fans who are convinced we did it on purpose.

[graywarrior]

48. You're lucky there weren't pitchforks

[Tommy_Carcetti]

41. I was worried for a little bit that Old Smokey might off Ben.

....and as slimey as Ben is, he is such a great character that the show just wouldn't be anywhere near as good without him. So I'm glad that didn't happen.

[MilesColtrane]

43. Re: Next week's preview

Looks like I'm going to get an answer to my questions about Miles' motivation for staying on the island.

The preview intimated that he is on some kind of secret mission, and that he works with/for Pierre Chang.