So... abstinence and celibacy are not the same thing?

[redqueen]

Wiki says "Abstinence is the absence of intercourse, while celibacy is the avoidance of all forms of sexual activity."

I did not know that.

[Dr. Strange]

1. It's fucking news to me.

:D

[redqueen]

3. Hah... very good.

:P

[Midlodemocrat]

2. Okay. I'll ask.

Redqueen? Why were you looking up those definitions?

[redqueen]

4. Um... personal reasons.

;)

I've wondered for a while but never looked. Well I looked but not on wikipedia. Wiki knows *everything*.

[Shell Beau]

5. But if you choose to be abstinent, isn't that celibacy?

[redqueen]

6. That's what I thought!

But apparently, no... only abstinent.

[Shell Beau]

8. Weird.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

10. no, i think celibacy is no kissing, making out etc

abstinence is for intercourse specific activities

[redqueen]

12. Hm...

I read it as including masturbation.

If it's just hugging and kissing well then... maybe I am celibate after all.

[REDKING]

7. I did not know that...

makes no differnce to me,cant remember what it feels like anyway hehehehehehe
sad isnt it.....peace rk:+

[redqueen]

9. Nah... it's just life, right?

That woman who sang so beautifully... who has 'shocked the world' by daring to have talent while being unattractive (oooh don't get me started)... she's never even been kissed.

Now that is sad.

[REDKING]

11. I used to sing

in bands.Standing in front a crowd that size and being on tv takes courage.I love to see things like that,always makes me smile...good luck to the lady...good find
peace rk:+

[redqueen]

13. Yeah?

What kind? Rock/country/???

I'm nosy curious.

[jobycom]

37. Hey.

Haven't you been missing for a while? Welcome back!

[TZ]

14. hmm interesting

Well then I'm not celibate.

[redqueen]

15. Hah...

you thought the same thing I did. :)

[AirBaud]

16. which one of those is the same as marriage?

celibacy?

[redqueen]

17. Maybe in *your* marriage. (nt)

[AirBaud]

18. no, mine is abstinence.

[HamdenRice]

19. I thought abstinence was not having sex and celibacy was NEVER having sex

Catholic priests are supposed to be celibate; you never hear it said of them that they are practicing abstinence.

I thought celibacy was being a virgin while abstinence was not doing it for some period.

:shrug:

[redqueen]

20. I'm not sure if celibacy means the same thing as virginity.

[HamdenRice]

21. That's what I thought it was -- virginity

or kind of like (if you can believe this) being "Like A Virgin."

Once you've done it you're never gonna be a virgin.

If you stop completely, even if you did it, you're celibate.

If you take a break, even for a couple 'a days you can say your "abstaining."

:shrug:

[redqueen]

22. You're confusing me now...

Anyway... I definitely think there should be a stronger word for abstinence that last longer than a few years.

[indigo32]

44. this is how I've always kinda thought of it - NT

[Oak2004]

23. So then I was wrong

I want the local trees to take a vow of celibacy, rather than an abstinence pledge.

I don't think they'll do either. They'll just make their flowers and send out that nasty pollen like they do every year, the damned horticultural sluts that they are.

If they have to reproduce, they shouldn't do it in front of my nose and lungs. They should cover it up and grow tubers.

[kwassa]

26. so you screen-name yourself after a tree?

Evidence of masochism.


Yet another preversion.

[Oak2004]

35. No, the trees got mad at me for taking their name

and began to make me sick, after I signed up.

I had no idea they would do that to me. I just needed a screen name, looked around, and saw them out my window.

They are evil, I tell you.

[no name no slogan]

24. Well, whatever they are, I am ROCKING THE SHIT out of both of them

:thumbsup:

[redqueen]

25. Really?

Celibacy = no masturbation.

[no name no slogan]

27. Yes. For you see, I have no arms

:cry:

[redqueen]

28. Carl uses his pool pump.

Get creative!

[no name no slogan]

29. Eh, they don't pay me enough to be creative

Of course, if they DID pay me enough, I could just hire a-- oh, nevermind.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

30. also celibate is forever, abstinence is temporary

[DemBones DemBones]

38. Celibacy can be temporary. Any unmarried person

not having sex is celibate. I think that technically s/he would be celibate even if having sex as long as s/he is unmarried.

[DarkTirade]

31. I always saw it as being that

abstinence is any form of not getting laid, whereas celibacy is when you chose to not get laid. Or something like that.

All I know is I ain't getting laid, so I'm doing at least one of those. :P

[redqueen]

32. Heh...

Same here, hence my curiosity. :)

[unpossibles]

33. sex with real people?

Just wanted to clarify.....

[redqueen]

34. I'm so glad I'm not the only one who finds this vague and unclear.

And to answer your question... I think sex with oneself is the same thing as sex and so it's only abstinence... whereas if you're celibate, you don't even have sex with yourself.

[unpossibles]

41. well, on the bright side...

...I'm having a lot more sex than I thought!

[redqueen]

43. Hahahaha...

same here.

:woohoo:

[DemBones DemBones]

36. Yeah, but Wikipedia. . . Here's a dictionary definition

of celibacy:

1: the state of not being married

2 a: abstention from sexual intercourse
b: abstention by vow from marriage

Chastity is often confused with celibacy but it means:

1: the quality or state of being chaste: as
a: abstention from unlawful sexual intercourse
b: abstention from all sexual intercourse
c: purity in conduct and intention
d: restraint and simplicity in design or expression

2: personal integrity

Yes, they both can mean abstention from sexual intercourse, but they have other meanings. Celibacy refers to being unmarried, chastity doesn't. Anyone can be chaste but only the unmarried can be celibate.

Abstinence, BTW, means:

1: voluntary forbearance especially from indulgence of an appetite or craving or from eating some foods
2 a: habitual abstaining from intoxicating beverages
b: abstention from sexual intercourse

Chastity is the best word to use if you want to indicate abstention from sexual intercourse.

Definitions from m-w.com

[jobycom]

39. Nope. And chastity is not celibacy or virginity, either.

Or not until recent language shifts have made all three words mean the same thing.

Traditionally, abstinence was just the avoidance of something--sex, booze, french fries... Celibacy is a commitment to avoid sex or sexually related stuff. Chastity is the avoidance of unlawful or lascivious sexual intercourse. A married person can be chaste by having sex only within the marriage and usually only for purposes of love and comfort, as opposed to all-out wall-shaking hedonistic pleasure.

A monk took a vow of celibacy to abstain from sex (and other fleshly or material pleasures), not because sex was bad, but because Paul knew his Plato, and "The Symposium," and believed that a virtuous person lived a higher life by focusing on the spirit rather than the flesh. Later Christians, who did not have Paul's classical education, thought he just meant sex was sinful.

A married person is chaste if they only have sex within their marriage.

A virgin never has sex. So a virgin is chaste, celibate, and abstinent, but a chaste person does not have to be celibate or abstinent, and a celibate person does not have to be a virgin.

The things you learn studying the medieval Catholic Church.

[Forkboy]

40. If you go longer without sex than an Albanian sheep farmer who is allergic to wool...

...does it really matter what it's called?

:hide:

[redqueen]

42. It does to me!

I like words and accuracy. :)