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TNLib Donating Member (683 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 07:14 PM
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Any Advice for a Newbie Vegetarian
I recently decided to start a vegetarian diet. I am manly doing it for health reasons. I'm very overweight and see it as an opportunity for a healthier life style and hopefully loose some weight, also I just don't care for meat as much as I use too.

Any Advice would be appreciated.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 07:23 PM
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1. Check these guys, and good luck!
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TNLib Donating Member (683 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 07:45 PM
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2. Cool Thanks for posting the link
:)
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 09:54 PM
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5. Those guys are idiots.
:hide:

:rofl:
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kentauros Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 12:14 PM
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20. Well-said by the man that admits to driving like an idiot!
:hide:

:P
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pink-o Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 07:51 PM
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3. Hi, TN....
I've been a vegetarian for 34 years, never missed eating meat, and I can tell you some basic things:

1) You can still be overweight as a veggie. I sure was, and it came from eating processed food. Technically, most packaged food does not contain animal products, unless you count gelatin here and there. It's either botanical or some chemical compound no one can pronounce. But processed sugar, corn, hydrogenated oils are all in the plant category, so I used to tell myself it was okay to eat pounds of potato chips or cookies. It isn't, you're better off eating fish, poultry or lean meats than anything that comes in a box or a bag. And as for sweet stuff, bake it at home and you'll know exactly what you're getting!

2) If you feel deprived or unsatisfied, you're not gonna stick with it. The real secret to loving veggie cuisine is the spices and sauces you can use with it. That's why ethnic food, like Indian and Thai is so much tastier than some bland, steamed vegetables or overcooked pasta. And some things that are supposedly "fattening" are really excellent for your health. Like avocados and about 4 oz's of raw mixed nuts a day. The latter actually lower the bad cholesterol. I have a skinny friend who had dangerous cholesterol levels: she ate nuts, sprouted bread and Olive Oil instead of butter and got her levels down in a couple months.

Listen, it's gonna be slow going, you're gonna get impatient. We're always looking for the Magic Bullet, the thing that transforms us overnight into what we want to be, but real health doesn't work that way. I tried every stupid diet under the sun when I was in my 30s, but finally lost the weight when I started bicycling and running on a treadmill. The hardest step is the first one, but you've already taken it, so congratulations!
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 09:48 PM
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4. Get at least 50 to 100 mcg of vitamin B12 per day.
The official RDI for B12 is 9 mcg per day, but you could easily get a severe deficiency if your intake is just 9 mcg per day. If that happens, nobody will be interested in the fact that you have been getting the officially recommended intake and developed a deficiency as a result. Instead, you will be told that you are deficient and that someone who is deficient needs 50 to 100 mcg of B12 per day.

Note: mcg = micrograms
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 09:57 PM
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6. Hi there.
Vegan personal trainer and sports nutritionist here. What would you like to know?

Congrats on the new veg diet, btw. Good to see you.
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handmade34 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 01:15 AM
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7. excellent move...
get healthy, save money, protect the environment, etc...

veggie diet isn't of itself healthy, eating whole, unprocessed food is. It gets very easy (and delicious) as time progresses... go to the vegetarian group and they will guide your every move... :hi:
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denbot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 02:49 AM
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8. Try the veal...
Edited on Tue Feb-15-11 02:51 AM by denbot
I keed, keed.. I don't veg, but my favorite non-meat meals are Indian (Asian) food. Great sauces, the fitter thingies that I think are made out of garbanzo beans. Coconut curry curd stuff, flat breads, lots of flavor, lots of spices.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 04:45 AM
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9. First, memorize Pink-o's post above.
He's right, you have to eat healthy, and it's easy to not do so as a vegetarian. Pizza, pasta, bread, chips, cheese fries, cokes, french fries, and most junk food is vegetarian, and here's the biggest problem. When you're starving, if your main criteria is that you don't want meat, then it's easy to grab a bag of chips, or a veggie burger, fries, and large soda. You won't lose any weight that way. If you are doing it for ethical reasons, you'll probably be happier, but if it's primarily for health, you'll be frustrated.

So, my advice is to grab a comfort zone. Find a handful of recipes you love that are healthy. Healthy means whole grains, vegetables without added salt or sugar, beans without added fats... You know the stuff. The closer to the way it grows, the healthier it will be. Even so, you can find foods that are fattening, like avocados or nuts, but as long as you don't overdo those, they are still healthy. Also, don't take that to mean you can't ever eat a pizza again--you can eat less than perfect foods as part of a healthy diet. Just switch priorities--instead of junk mixed with a little health food now and then, eat healthy with occasional indulgences. How many just depends on how much and how fast you want to lose weight.

So, set up your basic healthy standby recipes, and make sure you have the ingredients to make them. Then build on your recipe base. Try out new stuff, keep what you like, change out standbys when you want. Just always have something you can make quick that will be healthy and will satisfy you, and that you eat when you can't think of what else to make. The healthier you make these standbys, the faster you'll get healthier.

Be sure to add a new recipe or two a month to your list, to fight off boredom. Boredom is the biggest diet killer, but there is so much out there you can try that you shouldn't get bored unless you just quit exploring. Yeah, once in a while you might grab a cheeseburger, feel bad about it for a few days, maybe even go on a meat binge for a couple of weeks. That's not bad, as long as you have your goals in mind. People who don't have those new recipes and that sense of adventure with new foods are the ones who give it up.

Try different ethnic foods. Ethiopian, Italian, Indian, anything you can think of-ian. Read websites like happycow.com if you run out of ideas. (There are others, that's just the cutest name, so I remember it more quickly). Buy some cookbooks, and read them for inspiration and for future recipes you want to try. Fight boredom, in other words, but have a fallback plan for those times you don't feel creative.

And come up with some favorites to cover all your cravings. Comfort food, protein gorge (fake meats or beans are good for that), pizza jones, light fare, heavy and unhealthy dessert. Don't keep your pantry and freezer full of junk to fill up on, but have things you can pick up when you are hungry.

And don't try to do it all at once. Weight loss, I mean. Don't count lost pounds, count the number of days you've eaten healthy. If you focus on the healthy eating (and exercise, too), and think of that as the goal, you won't get as frustrated when you plateau or when you lose weight more slowly than you want. The first couple of weeks you won't lose much--you might even gain a little as you reduce fat in your diet--but after that you will drop the bigger numbers, if you stick with it. Don't set your idea of success on weight loss, set it on how healthy you can eat, and then just smile when you do see the weight disappear. Make the journey more important than the goal, in other words, and make the journey a lifetime trip (and forgive yourself when you step off the path--everyone loves to eat bad now and then).

Okay, way more than I planned, but I'm too tired to edit. Get some books, maybe get some friends, and stick to it.

I'm reading a good book right now. It's called "The Engine 2 Diet," by Rip Esselstyn. He's a triathlete and firefighter here in Austin, and his father is a heart specialist who has also written books on heart disease and vegetarian diets. Rip is famous in Austin for helping train Lance Armstrong, and also for getting his whole fire department shift to go vegan, mostly because one of his co-workers was having serious problems. It focuses on the health side instead of the gory "How can you eat animals when they go through THIS!" side. Lots of good recipes, too. That, or any number of books people will recommend, is a good way to start.
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JustABozoOnThisBus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 05:56 AM
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10. Beer is a vegetable
nature's perfect food.

Bon apetit.

:hi:
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 09:42 AM
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11. Book list must have: "Laurel's Kitchen", and anything by Molly Katzen.
"Laurel's Kitchen" has a wealth of nutrition tables in addition to wonderful recipes. We went vegetarian in 89 and my three daughters (15, 17, 19) are lifelong vegetarians who always checked out as healthy as could be.

It can be a little frustrating at first, especially when trying to eat out. Beware of cream sauces - they are often made with a chicken broth base. Start with the simpler recipes and experiment with foods you never really ate before. With time, the recipe books become less of a "how to" and more of a quick reference, if needed at all.

If you experience "the urge", MorningStar has some excellent products out there that zap up in a flash in the microwave. Cookouts are less of a problem now with Gardenburger (and MorningStar, but we like Gardenburger better). Personally, I find Boca to be rather disgusting. MorningStar used to make "hot dogs" that were great for cooking on a stick over an open fire. They grilled nicely, too. They disappeared from around here about a year ago. SmartDogs are similar, but don't hold up as well.

And most importantly, revisit foods you've hated since you were a kid - beets, brussels sprouts, asparagus, squash, etc. I grew up in the late 60's/early 70's when pretty much every vegetable had to be boiled until it was mush. No WONDER I didn't like some things. Then there were the women's magazine recipes EVERYONE used - like filling the cavity of acorn squash with butter and adding about two tablespoons of brown sugar to each. :puke:

Finally, if you have the space even for a small herb garden, start one. Begin with the herbs you know you like and experiment with others over time. You can use window boxes if need be. The yield is far less and they won't winter over (except for chives), but maintenance is much easier and it takes less space.

Good luck, and please report back on your progress! I'm always open to private messages on this subject.

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stuntcat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 10:25 AM
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12. yah revisiting foods
I'm learning to cook turnips cabbage parsnips and rutabaga, things I hadn't eaten since I was a kid & visiting relatives out in the country.
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 10:47 AM
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13. Parsnips are really easy to grow and REALLY sweet right out of the garden.
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stuntcat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 11:06 AM
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14. ah ty!
I'm afraid I live in the wrong place to grow them but I do want to try this year since I'm expanding my veggie bed.
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 01:09 PM
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21. They grow anywhere that carrots will grow - just add sand to the soil.
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GoCubsGo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 11:19 AM
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15. Also, "A Diet for a Small Planet" by Frances Moore Lappe
Besides providing some yummy recipes, it also discusses the environmental benefits of vegetarianism.

I agree with revisiting "hated" veggies. I am on roasting kick these days, and I can't say enough about trying your veggies roasted. Just coat them with a little bit of olive oil and stick them in a 425-450 degree oven until they're tender. I haven't tried with cabbage, but Brussels sprouts are great this way. So are cauliflower, asparagus, and broccoli, as well as both summer and winter squashes.

And, I'm not a vegetarian, but I love those Morningstar Farms products. I prefer the breakfast sausages over the real thing. No grease. Great for those of us who are watching our weight. BTW, MSF and Boca both have lots of recipes on their web pages.
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 01:25 PM
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22. One of the first I read. Also "Diet for a New America" by John Robbins (heir to Baskin Robbins)
John Robbins gave up the entire family fortune because he had decided to become a vegan. His book is pretty well evenly divided between ethical and health aspects of animal product intake.

Hey, if you like BLTs, those MorningStar breakfast strips are a snap in the nuke-ya-wave and are better in my opinion. Try a breakfast strip, red leaf lettuce, cheddar, mushroom, and tomato on toasted seeded rye bread. That will knock your socks off.

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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 11:20 AM
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16. I'll be honest, I know several overweight vegetarians
The biggest mistake people think is somehow vegatarians live these healthier lifestyles and lose weight like nobodies business.

Two of them were overweight when I met them and the 3rd switched to vegarian and actually gained weight and saw her cholesterol go up. Mind you these were not vegans, so diary products were definately allowed and one just loved cheese.

You don't have to give up meat to lose weight and be healthy. You just need to keep your meat choices smart and learn size portions. I will never give up meat - I enjoy chicken and fish way too much and I especially love venison (which is a very lean, healthy red meat).

It's not the food you eat but learning portion control.
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 11:23 AM
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17. hot dogs are okay, they really don't contain any meat
:)
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 11:37 AM
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18. Don't forget your milk and eggs
You will need the protein. Not too much, but enough to go veg without starvation.

If going vegan, consult a vegan nutritionist. I don't know about you, but even here in the bay area, quality healthy vegan food is the exception, not the norm.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 11:47 AM
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19. For the most part, don't try to make an "American" diet vegetarian
If you eat the meat-and-two-veg without the meat, you will a very unhappy camper.

Also, while vegan pizza and veggieburgers can be really good, don't try to eat like that every day.

Move towards Asian food, Mexican food, a broader Mediterranean diet, and other "ethnic" foods and you'll be a lot happier about what you're eating.
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