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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 12:38 PM
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Dean Under the Microscope
Dean Under the Microscope
Tuesday August 5, 2003
By: Register Editorial Board

Des Moines Register (8/5/03)

Who is this Howard Dean guy? It's a safe bet that a year ago hardly anyone in Iowa could have correctly identified him. Now he is the leading contender in next January's Iowa Democratic caucuses.
That suddenly makes the caucus campaign a lot more interesting.

The obscure former governor of a small state . . . well, that's a familiar script for the caucuses. Dean is a former governor of Vermont who has been campaigning full time with the face-to-face politics that can pay off in the caucuses. He added a new wrinkle by using the Internet to draw amazing support and donations.

In the latest Iowa Poll, Dean was the first choice of 23 percent of likely Democratic caucus-goers, 2 percentage points ahead of early favorite Congressman Dick Gephardt.

It's much too early to predict a Dean win in the caucuses, but it's interesting to speculate why he has come to lead a field of better-known contenders, including four sitting U.S. senators and two members of the U.S. House.

more..........................

http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=7883&news_iv_ctrl=1001
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 02:11 PM
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1. Four months of the press pushing him
and ignoring the other candidates?
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 02:18 PM
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2. I agree with you there
I am really getting frustrated, even if Kucinich was a little tasteless last night, from my observations, Dean seems to be liked for showing his frustrations with everyone, and I think honest to god Kucinich wanted to show the real difference between him and Dean, btw this kinda stuff happens overseas all the time. I am sorry but I really think Dean is overrated, he seems to me to be even more moderate than Clinton on so many things.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 02:37 PM
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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 02:52 PM
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4. Oh my, you're going to be fun
I've just now stepped over to Bizarro World. Someone at DU would rather vote for Bush over Dean. Up AM Down, to quote Bizarro.

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Ohio Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 03:29 PM
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5. She's been doing this all afternoon.
She has two main arguments:

1. Dean is the bane of civilization.

2. Dean is a trojan horse.
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Northwind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 03:41 PM
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6. Actually...
Dean is supposedly either a "Trojun", "Torjun", or Tojun" horse depending on which post you read.
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Ohio Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 03:44 PM
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7. That's a good point.
My bad. I didn't mean to slander her in that way.
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 04:22 PM
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8. I have had literally
several thousnad emails from people who say the same about Dena, or state like me, that they will sit out the eletion rather than votre for Dean.

Everyone but Deans supporters are enraged into someone who has lied his way into a place among the major candidates. His poistion in Iowaa is a joke as Dean dide in Vermont one of the things that Iowa farmers are extremey angy about, by opening the state to a LARGE pork fram which is environmentally disasterour for EVERYON for thousands of arcres around the area Dean allwed his sectretary of agriculturei to rezone pristine prime lake country for the bacon and pork factory of Lucien Breton:

The neighboring farmers, who pre-existed the egg factory proposal, gathered facts and information about egg factories throughout the country and about Lucien Breton’s hog factory operations in Canada. They were alarmed by what they learned about potential problems with flies, noise, odors, traffic, air quality, threats from disease, chemical exposure, loss of property values, increased stress and significant impacts on water. Maine had already rejected Breton. But Vermont’s Agriculture Commissioner Leon Graves welcomed the Canadian who had no ties to the community, to bring all his chickens and grain from Canada, sell almost half the eggs back to Canada with the rest going to New York, and leave behind, as it has turned out, the severely damaged lives of Vermont’s dairy farmers.


http://www.vtce.org/deancrisisagvt.html

I have written a letter to the Des Moines Register with this and other information implicating Dean in harm done to many small farmers (In the ten years Dean was governor small family owned farms droppoed from 70 percent of trhe farming community to 53 percent).\
Iowans need to be made aware that they are supporting a candidate who makes promises and talks, but has been active in destroying family farms for years.
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ProfessorPlum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 04:34 PM
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9. There is literally no end of the terrible stories
you have about Dean. It's like you have a giant book by the Brothers Grimm about him.

I'm surprised he ever won an election in VT, let alone every election he ran in.
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ProfessorPlum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 04:34 PM
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10. With you,
it's actually like Dean under a proctoscope.
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LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 06:50 PM
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12. I support your effort
to distribute your point of view, but if you decide not to support the popular will of the Democratic party when the time comes, I will be sorely disappointed.

You have the full right to dish the dirt on Dean, but fundamentally, he has been vetted enough to be Governor of Vermont and all the candidates have the ability to highlight his inadequacies and failings. That is how the game is played. The day after the convention though, we clean the slate and back the person the will of the party has selected.

To threaten and bluster that you won't is shortsighted and childish.
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ModerateMiddle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 09:48 PM
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15. hardly adequate
you said, "he has been vetted enough to be Governor of Vermont"

So therefore, George W. Bush has been vetted enough to be President, eh?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 07:33 PM
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13. I don't like Dean, but, I'd work against Bush
no matter WHO the Dem candidate is. At least Dean's campaign rhetoric will force him to move somewhat to the left.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 07:35 PM
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14. I hope so
ABB
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Kanola Donating Member (392 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 11:53 PM
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16. I think Rove would be interested in what you have to say.
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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 05:12 PM
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11. try being more constructive...
When you both vague and negative you only hurt your own cause. Maybe if you use some facts about Dean, with verified links, people will listen and respect your opinion, instead of thinking you are a nutbar.
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