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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 07:20 PM
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'Quran'? What happened to 'Koran'?
Is it me, or is the press spelling 'Quran' a recent development?

If so, why? And why now? Does 'Quran' look somehow less "holy" to western eyes than 'Koran'?

Or maybe I just haven't been paying attention.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 07:23 PM
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1. Transliterations of non-Romance languages into English...
are ALWAYS problematic. Either is correct in English.
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 07:27 PM
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3. I knew it was problematic.
(Aren't there supposed to be some twenty or thirty ways to spell 'Ghadaffi'?)

I just don't recall seeing 'Quran' until lately. As far as my experience is concerned, it's always been 'Koran'. I was just wondering if it was just me.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 07:31 PM
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6. Qur'an is the way a scholar would spell it, Koran is more traditional
The print media is just picking up on the academic norm, I guess.
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3waygeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 07:44 PM
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9. Not quite that many
Edited on Fri May-27-05 07:45 PM by 3waygeek
ways to spell the Libyan leader's name, but there are quite a few.
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lenidog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 07:27 PM
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2. Unlike Chinese no one has decided on whats the standard way
of transliteration for Arabic. So there are usually a couple ways to spell any Arabic word. Either spelling is considered right.
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 02:15 PM
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10. Actually, western academia uses a transliteration style
adopted by the Encylopaedia of Islam--

it's adjusted a bit.. J for DJ and Q for K w/ a dot under it

but overall there's a standard.

Qur'an (w/ a macron denoting a "long a"/alif) is the most accurate transliteration. Luckily w/ Arabic-- what you see is what you get. No superfluous vowels or consonants to muck things up.

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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 07:28 PM
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4. I've seen it both ways, when I studied Islam as a teen it was always
Quran--- Koran looks stupid to me and the Qur'an I owned spelled it with a Q on the title page



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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 07:29 PM
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5. Qur'an is a more recent transliteration. Koran is an old form
Arabic has a lot of sounds that don't translate well into the Phoenician alphabet. One of the sounds is sort of a pause, and that's represented by the ' in Qur'an. Say the words "some ice" as though you are trying not to say "some mice," and you have that pause.

The rules of transliterations from Arabic fluctuate as scholars find more accurate ways to represent the sound. Thus, Qur'an is considered more accurate, because the Qu sound is closer than the KU sound. It's actually even more guttaral than Qu. Arabic has three such "K/Q" sounds, whereas English has only two.

Beyond that, I would run out of knowledge. :-)
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-05 04:40 PM
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11. It is difficult, true
The Q in arabic, I was taught, sounds like the sound made when one imitates a crow ("caw") A back of the throat "k" sound, vs. the middle of the mouth "k" sound as in cake.

God, I need to get a life.;)
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 07:39 PM
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7. This site prefers 'Quran'
(in fact, maybe 'Qur‘an').

Inexact spellings such as "Mecca" and "Koran" entered the English language a long time ago and have become so entrenched that they are now difficult to eradicate.

http://www.al-bab.com/arab/language/roman1.htm
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 07:41 PM
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8. Thanks, everyone
Edited on Fri May-27-05 07:41 PM by tuvor
I'm now a little less ignorant about everything. :)
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technoteacher Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 06:16 PM
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12. Oh, the pitfalls of transliteration
But I have my own system, he he he he
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