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Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 01:29 AM
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'Dark Side' of Home Bubble May Hit Florida Quickly--
Edited on Thu Sep-02-04 01:56 AM by DanSpillane
I just looked. A NEW Cat 4 hurricane is heading for Florida. Let's hope the new hurricane doesn't hit. The grim reaper may hit the housing bubble there, and the financial system.

How? In a way no one expected...house prices have been going up, but are not covered by policies which go up!

Coming now, this is REALLY bad news for builders and residents in Florida, especially if the new hurricane hits! That is, given the recent jump in home prices (and materials) down there--and the likely average gap between policy level and replacement cost!

Hurricane hits???
  Poof! Goes billions in home equity statewide, possibly with some neato loans attached! I'm told insurance policies MAY NOT BE re-evaluated each time a loan is made against a home; they certainly do not go up as the price does, in many cases!

People will not be able to re-build houses if destroyed, but will be stuck with smaller ones. That is, if and when materials become available at all, due to the housing bubble, which has already caused shortages of materials! And they would still owe on home equity and cash-out refi loans on a higher principal, but have nothing to show for these!

In short, the insured value may only be for the original mortgage plus a little bit, NOT the replacement value!

This is THE DARK SIDE of the home bubble. There are no laws to keep insurance policies up with escalating prices, even as equity is withdrawn!

What happens if Florida is hit by this new hurricane, in addition to the one mentioned in the article below?!??

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Tuesday, August 31, 2004

Insurers cut home payouts

El Cajon, San Diego County -- Karla and Bruce Carroll remember the sheriff on his bullhorn ordering residents to evacuate and, minutes later, hearing the roar of monstrous flames arcing toward their modest home in the hills above San Diego.

Karla grabbed a family photo album as they ran to safety; Bruce started to gather his fishing rods. But she hustled him along. "Don't worry about those things," she recalls saying at the time. "We've got insurance."

But, the Carrolls say, the insurance they bought from State Farm, the nation's largest property insurer, has left them at least $100,000 short of the cost of rebuilding their home. Today, nearly a year later, they are still wrangling with their insurer and living in a 29-foot-long house trailer on the land where their three-bedroom home once stood, overlooking a spectacular sweep of ridges and canyons.

Their woeful shortfall in insurance coverage, experts say, is a plight shared unknowingly by millions of American homeowners. It has been fed largely by a shift in the way property insurance has been sold in recent years.

In a move to cut costs from claims, insurance companies began in the late 1990s to phase out coverage that guaranteed the replacement of a destroyed home, regardless of the expense to the insurer. In place of that unlimited coverage, which had become nearly universal, insurers substituted a similar sounding policy with a crucial difference: It only pays the amount stated on the policy plus, typically, an additional 20 to 25 percent.

For their part, insurers insist that it is the consumer's responsibility to acquire adequate coverage.

The old policy was called a guaranteed replacement policy. The new one, which most Americans now have, is called an extended replacement policy.

"People look at this and it says 'replacement' and they think, 'That's good, I get my house replaced,' " said John Garamendi, California's insurance commissioner. "But they don't get their house replaced. They get money up to the set limits plus the extended 20 percent or 25 percent."

Marshall & Swift/Boeckh, a Los Angeles company that most insurers rely on for help in calculating the value of houses, estimates that 64 percent of American homes are underinsured by an average of 27 percent, with some homes underinsured by 60 percent or more. Another insurance industry company, AIR Worldwide in Boston, estimates that many upper-income homes in New England are underinsured by 30 to 40 percent.

"The underinsurance problem lies just beneath the surface all across the country," said Robert Hartwig, the chief economist for the Insurance Information Institute, a trade group.

The insurance gap has been worsened by the nationwide housing boom that has been rapidly driving up the price of lumber, bricks, cement and other construction materials, industry executives say. And in Southern California, rebuilding costs soared even higher as the demand for contractors and building supplies suddenly jumped after the Carrolls' home and several thousand others were destroyed in wildfires over a few days in October.

But such explanations do not satisfy the industry's critics, who say insurers have shifted the burden of such mistakes onto homeowners.

"Most people go to their insurance agent to buy coverage and figure they're fully covered," said Robert Hunter, the director for insurance at the Consumer Federation of America. "But often they're not."

The issue of underinsurance has not attracted much attention because of the millions of insurance claims every year, fewer than 2 percent are for the total loss of a house. But the wildfires in San Diego last fall came as a jolt. They quickly incinerated more than 3,700 homes and, Garamendi said, "a very large proportion" of them were underinsured. Consumer advocates and industry executives expect similar problems for the victims of Hurricane Charley in Florida as they begin working through their claims.

"The problem is everywhere," Hartwig said. "The disasters simply expose it."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/08/31/BUGAK8H0O11.DTL
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Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 01:40 AM
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1. kick
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oscar111 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 01:42 AM
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2. Re-regulate insurers! esp. State Farm
state farm was on sixty minutes three yrs back... The show really ripped that company to shreds. Amazed they are still in business.

Proof that americans dont spread information by "word of mouth", even when it is kick-started by a national tv show. I cant figure out why they dont. Foreign populations are said to do word-of-mouth.

the article above shows the use of a crude trick of wording . we need regulation again.. to stop these simply criminal tricks. It is just outrageous what tricks are now common. Anyone who votes rethug is voting to be tricked a dozen times a year by businesses.
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Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 01:46 AM
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3. Politicians to blame too--
Edited on Thu Sep-02-04 01:50 AM by DanSpillane
Bush has plugged the "everyone buy a home" so many times to add to the prices of the home bubble.

They were also told in Congress that Fannie Mae (which backs the loans for houses) is not really backed by reserves!

So the whole thing is a house of cards.

No insurance for replacement value of home
PLUS Loans against appraised value of home
PLUS No backing for loans
=
Shitload of trouble if that second hurricane hits; or even maybe, just because of the first hurricane!

Now, I will even bet this thing could resound all the way through the US mortgage market.
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oscar111 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 04:46 AM
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4. How thru whole usa?
resound thru whole market you said... wondering how? how would intact houses in WA state lose any value?
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Systematic Chaos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 07:11 AM
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5. Pardon my rather uneducated guess...
but my thinking is that if enough people are without homes and without the equity to build new homes at current prices, then those people will basically be destroyed financially. And we're not talking about just a few dozen or a few hundred people, we're talking about a couple million if that hurricane takes a path leading it more or less parallel to the coastline until it finally makes landfall up in northern Florida, Georgia or the southern tip of SC. (Mind you, the Weather Channel just said there hasn't been a category 4 storm landfall in that stretch of coastline in at least 110 years!)

Now, if that many people along the coast have homes that are destroyed or damaged enough to cause the insurance payment to be insufficient to replace or repair them... there are going to be a LOT of screwed people. Not to mention, the raw materials required for such an undertaking would cause shortages on an epic scale, and those would be felt just about everywhere, or at least throughout the entire southeast.

I can easily imagine some pretty nasty consequences of these two hurricanes, but whether we'll know about it until after the election remains to be seen.
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Frodo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 09:28 AM
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6. Congratulations.
I think you got this one right.


One note however: It's likely the the great loss will be in owner equity where homes are underinsured (and that isn't just a Florida thing). Losses on loans are less likely to be as prevalent. While it is not universal to re-evaluate insurance with each loan, it is pretty close to it - certainly in the mortgage industry.

Remember, there's a reason the mortgage service company wants to handle the escrow (and ti isn't just profits). The worst thing that can happen to them is to have to for close on a house only to find significant uninsured damage. It's the easiest way for the loan to become under-collateralized. Because of this, ensuring the adequate insuring is a standard part of the process.

Plus, many of us now SELL insurance. We're always looking for an opportunity to get a new client.



This likely won't pop a bubble, however. If you think about it, storm damage reduces the number of properties available while increasing the number of people looking for homes. Normal supply/demand forces will likely prop up any weakness caused by the loss of equity.

In this case (as most storm events) it will be individuals (and insurance companies) losing money. That doesn't mean home prices have to fall.
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Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 11:35 AM
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7. Thanks--
Edited on Thu Sep-02-04 11:43 AM by DanSpillane
I think it would reduce the total demand for homes--at higher base prices--because a lot of equity would be lost. That is, the supply of money per homeowner will take a big hit.

It would also vastly increase the price of materials, on top of the already vast increase due to building homes for tortises in Nevada, among other things. This would lower the quality of the average home affordable in Florida further.

So the financial impact would hit homebuyers and home builders, who have been counting on bigger projects at higher prices. Insurer losses are limited because they have sold policies which limit losses to them, and don't catch up with replacement value. And they are backed by the fund (but I understand that isn't very big now after the first hurricane).

So in this case, there would be many smaller repairs and replacement projects with lower values and margin, simply because shoppers would have less capital to start with.

Now, the time frame and degree of "step down" in home is another thing to guess at. The article I posted shows people living in a mobile home a year after home loss.

As an aside, I should point out one circularity. Apparently the effort by insurers was to sell a lower-priced policy. Because of the change in terms and/or the house price bubble, the insurance policy has in effect decayed (or equivalently, become more expensive). Yet, I doubt the official US inflation statistics account for this. Instead, they probably include the "flat" price of insurance, lending false credibility to the popular "low inflation" theory.

In other words, NOT properly insuring expensive houses has led to a lower published inflation index--which in turn, has led to the sale of more expensive houses. Etc. Etc. The real ("prudent") inflation rate is actually much higher, related to housing.
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German-Lefty Donating Member (568 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 09:42 AM
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8. This likely won't pop a bubble, I agree
Think of it this way: The insurance companies come out ahead in the long run. They save up money, and when a disaster happens they pump a little money into the area to rebuild homes. If anything pouring money into the system isn't going to make the Bubble pop.

At any rate, I think that the amount of equity affected is negligible compared to the size of the entire housing market. It's not like even 1% of the homes in the USA were damaged right?
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Frodo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 12:13 PM
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9. That's actually a very good point.
Don't think of it as the insurance companies "saving up", though. I'd put it as "insurance premiums from around the country are now flowing in to Florida". So it's a cash transfer from the rest of the country to Florida. That's hard to equate with a market bubble "bursting".

But Dan had a good point as well. I don't know Florida's market conditions, but if they've been like other popular areas a bunch of people are now seriously UNDERinsured.

It probably works out on balance. In any case, nothing could possibly show up before the election.
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