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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 08:11 PM
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Geithner's New Bank Bailout: Crappy, Dishonest, Possibly Illegal.
Those are just a few of the adjectives analysts are using to describe the lastest iteration of Geithner's long-heralded "bad bank" plan:

Tim Geithner's banking fix is getting justifiably slammed by Paul Krugman, Calculated Risk, Yves Smith, et al. Why justifiably? Because the only way it will work is if hedge funds and banks get another huge gift at taxpayer expense.

Remember the crux of the problem: Banks say their assets are worth 60 cents on the dollar. The market says they are worth 30 cents on the dollar.

Geithner continues to accept the banks' argument that this huge bid/ask spread is just a temporary condition: The market just doesn't understand that the assets are actually worth 60 cents on the dollar. When it realizes this, everything will be fine. The majority of smart economists (at least the ones we read) think this is a crock. The banks are hallucinating (or worse), and most of the assets are worth what the market says they are worth.

In any event, the only way banks can be induced to sell those assets is if someone agrees to pay 60 cents (or more) on the dollar, because otherwise the banks will have to take more writedowns and require more capital. The only way someone will pay 60 cents or more on the dollar is if someone gives them a boatload of free money to be reckless with. That's where Geithner and the taxpayer come in.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/21/despair-over-financial-policy/">From Krugman:

In effect, Treasury will be creating — deliberately! — the functional equivalent of Texas S&Ls in the 1980s: financial operations with very little capital but lots of government-guaranteed liabilities. For the private investors, this is an open invitation to play heads I win, tails the taxpayers lose. So sure, these investors will be ready to pay high prices for toxic waste. After all, the stuff might be worth something; and if it isn’t, that’s someone else’s problem. (The taxpayer's)...

This plan will produce big gains for banks that didn’t actually need any help; it will, however, do little to reassure the public about banks that are seriously undercapitalized. And I fear that when the plan fails, as it almost surely will, the administration will have shot its bolt: it won’t be able to come back to Congress for a plan that might actually work.


http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2009/03/geithners-toxic-asset-plan.html">Calculated Risk slams a different part of the plan:

The FDIC plan involves almost no money down. The FDIC will provide a low interest non-recourse loan up to 85% of the value of the assets.

The remaining 15 percent will come from the government and the private investors. The Treasury would put up as much as 80 percent of that, while private investors would put up as little as 20 percent of the money ... Private investors, then, would be contributing as little as 3 percent of the equity, and the government as much as 97 percent.

With almost no skin in the game, these investors can pay a higher than market price for the toxic assets (since there is little downside risk). This amounts to a direct subsidy from the taxpayers to the banks.


Yves Smith http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2009/03/private-public-partnership-details.html">offers an excellent line by line takedown of the enormous gift to private investors, which will result in an enormous gift to banks--all at taxpayer expense. Again, the private investors will put up 3% of the money. They'll then use this gift to intentionally overpay for the assets and secretly recapitalize the banks:

If the banks sell the assets as a lower level , it will result in a loss, which is a direct hit to equity. The whole point of this exercise is to get rid of the bad paper without further impairing the banks.

So presumably, the point of a competitive process (assuming enough parties show up to produce that result at any particular auction) is to elicit a high enough price that it might reach the bank's reserve, which would be the value on the bank's books now.

And notice the utter dishonesty: a competitive bidding process will protect taxpayers. Huh? A competitive bidding process will elicit a higher price which is BAD for taxpayers!

Dear God, the Administration really thinks the public is full of idiots. But there are so many components to the program, and a lot of moving parts in each, they no doubt expect everyone's eyes to glaze over.


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Bottom line, this is just another version of the same bad plan Tim Geithner has been trying to shove through from the beginning. Find some way, any way, to bail out banks by overpaying for crap assets with taxpayer money without taxpayers noticing and screaming bloody murder about it.

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Also from http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2009/03/investor-on-private-public-partnership.html">Naked Capitalism comes this provocative tidbit:

With price discovery (or the equivalent via more realistic marking of their books), some banks would be toast and need to be put in a form of receivership. But pretending these banks are viable, keeping the incumbents in place (who have incentives to take risk with taxpayer money, if nothing else so they can try to show profits and slip the leash) is the worst of all worlds. Some of the big banks already have been nationalized from an economic perspective, yet we keep alive the dangerous and costly fiction that they are functioning, private concerns. The Japanese did a variant of this program via letting zombie banks grossly overvalue dead loans, and look how well it served them.

There may also be a Constitutional issue, as another reader alleged:

Geithner/Summers are willfully evading Congressional oversight. After the Tequila/Mexico financial crisis, the banks wanted 20 billion and Congress wouldn't give it, so Summers/Geithner under Clinton evaded that buy misusing the government's ESF, argually illegally. Now, given that Congress doesn't want to authorize more money, Summers/Geithner are trying to misuse Fed/ DIC authority to hand out cash. This is illegal because the FDIC and Fed are authorized to lend, but not to hand out gifts/grants. Lending non-recourse undercollateralized is a gift/grant.


Hopefully, we can unite our efforts and prevent this theft. We need to put an end to the pattern that seems to have taken hold whereby we rush through ill-advised policies and then ask questions later after they've blow up in our faces. A friend of mine joked at lunch today that like TARP, this is a plan so bad it's virtually guaranteed to pass. and a few months from now when the people wise up, the media and politicians will simply use the tried and tested "who could have known" defense.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 08:12 PM
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1. .....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8280116

(not a duplicate, but a DU post to an interesting link on huffpo)
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 08:15 PM
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2. I'm sorry, but you have posted criticisms of the plan....
so could you post the plan itself? I'd like to read it.

Thank you.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 08:22 PM
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3. I posted some details in the economy forum early last week.
Today's New York Times also http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/21/business/21bank.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1&hp">has more information:


(snip)

The three-pronged approach is perhaps the most central component of President Obama’s plan to rescue the nation’s banking system from the money-losing assets weighing down bank balance sheets, crippling their ability to make new loans and deepening the recession.

Industry analysts estimate that the nation’s banks are holding at least $2 trillion in troubled assets, mostly residential and commercial mortgages.

The plan to be announced next week involves three separate approaches. In one, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation will set up special-purpose investment partnerships and lend about 85 percent of the money that those partnerships will need to buy up troubled assets that banks want to sell.

In the second, the Treasury will hire four or five investment management firms, matching the private money that each of the firms puts up on a dollar-for-dollar basis with government money.

In the third piece, the Treasury plans to expand lending through the Term Asset-Backed Securities Loan Facility, a joint venture with the Federal Reserve.

The goal of the plan is to leverage the dwindling resources of the Treasury Department’s bailout program with money from private investors to buy up as many of those toxic assets as possible and free the banks to resume more normal lending.

But the details have been treacherously difficult, politically and financially, and some of the big decisions are the same as those that bedeviled the Treasury Department under President George W. Bush last year.

Timothy F. Geithner, the Treasury secretary, provoked scathing criticism from investors in February by announcing the broad outlines of the plan without addressing the tough questions, like how the government planned to share the risk with investors or arrive at a fair price for the assets that would neither cheat taxpayers nor harm the banks.

Although the details of the F.D.I.C. part were still being completed on Friday, it is expected that the government will provide the overwhelming bulk of the money — possibly more than 95 percent — through loans or direct investments of taxpayer money.

The hope is that such a generous taxpayer subsidy will attract private investors into the market and accelerate the recovery of the country’s banks.


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/21/business/21bank.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1&hp">More...
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 08:24 PM
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5. it does not matter what you post
bots will not read it or try to understand. period.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 08:47 PM
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8. Interesting. It would cost about 2 trillion to nationalize most of the banks
Edited on Sat Mar-21-09 08:47 PM by FrenchieCat
that are troubled.

and that doesn't count finding management replacement that have not been vested in the banking industry...cause the media would have another manufactured field day if people with banking experience were hired to manage the bank....as they could probably all be traced back to some bank somewhere.

Interesting article.
I'm going to read it again....cause it seems like the issue of attracting investors to the finnacial market doesn't seem to be anything that the "Nationalize the banks already" economist have talked much about. Wonder how they would do it?
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 08:23 PM
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4. do you lack reading comprehension skills?
Because it is clear to me we are being ripped off yet again with smoke and mirror bullshit covered in lovely words like "I Hear You".

:puke:
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 08:34 PM
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6. Thanks girl. K&R
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 08:46 PM
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7. K & R. James K Galbraith: EXAMINE THE LOAN TAPES
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 09:17 PM
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10. damn this is fucking awful!

:(

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The way to find out who is right is to EXAMINE THE LOAN TAPES. An independent examination of the underlying loan tapes -- and comparison to the IndyMac portfolio -- would help determine whether these loans or derivatives based on them have any right to be marketed in an open securities market, and any serious prospect of being paid over time at rates approaching 60 cents on the dollar, rather than 30 cents or less.

Note that even a small loss of capital, relative to the purchase price, completely wipes out the interest earnings on the Treasury's loans, putting the government in a loss position and giving the banks a windfall.

If I'm right and the mortgages are largely trash, then the Geithner plan is a Rube Goldberg device for shifting inevitable losses from the banks to the Treasury, preserving the big banks and their incumbent management in all their dysfunctional glory. The cost will be continued vast over-capacity in banking, and a consequent weakening of the remaining, smaller, better- managed banks who didn't participate in the garbage-loan frenzy.

This will not achieve the stated goal, of bringing on new lending, for reasons already explained at length. It's all about not-measuring true asset quality at the big banks, permitting them to escape a clean audit, and therefore preserving them as institutions, while forcing the inevitable shrinkage of the financial sector to occur elsewhere. In short, the plan seems to me to be a very bad idea.

But the way to determine whether Geithner's and the banks' stated view of the toxic assets has any merit, is to demand an INDEPENDENT EXAMINATION OF THE LOAN TAPES, particularly looking to establish the prevalence of missing documents, misrepresentation, and fraud. This can be done by a sufficient sample. If the tapes look bad, it will be very difficult to justify the bank/Treasury view that the RMBS actually have value, which is somehow not realizable on the marketplace today because of "liquidity shortages" or "fire-sale conditions." Maybe there actually was a fire.

In response to a question from Congressman Lloyd Doggett (D-TX) at Budget Committee on March 5, Geithner agreed to look into the possibility of EXAMINING THE LOAN TAPES. What response he gave the Congressman for the record is not yet known. Whether he has ordered any action is not yet known.


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williesgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 09:10 PM
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9. Let these fucking greedy criminal banks file bankruptcy. Not one more penny of our $s
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 10:52 PM
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11. why is Obama supporting the ReThuglicans like Tim Geithner
:puke: :wtf:
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 01:05 PM
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12. And speaking of gifts-- by now you've seen THIS?




Citigroup’s chief economist is leaving the bank to join the Treasury department, the firm told employees in an internal memorandum on Tuesday.

Lewis Alexander, who had spent nine years in Citi’s economics research group, will work on domestic financial issues, Andrew Pitt, the head of Citi’s investment research, said in the memo, which was obtained by DealBook.

Before joining Citi, Mr. Alexander worked in the Federal Reserve’s international finance division.

To: Citi Investment Research & Analysis
From: Andrew Pitt
Date: 17 March, 2009
Re: Lewis Alexander

After over nine years in Citi’s Economics research group, most recently as Chief Economist, Lewis Alexander is leaving the firm to return to Washington. Lewis is joining the U.S. Treasury to work on domestic financial issues. Prior to joining Citi in 1999, Lewis had a long career in the Division of International Finance of the Federal Reserve Board.

more





http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/18/citis-chief-economist-to-join-treasury-dept




Mr. Alexander will be a counselor to Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner.

Mr. Alexander's role as Citigroup's chief economist didn't entail significant management responsibilities. But his optimistic economic forecasts colored executives' views that the U.S. was unlikely to face a prolonged slump.

"I think that's not going to spill over more broadly into the economy, and so I think we're going to have a normal kind of housing cycle that's going to last through the middle of this year," Mr. Alexander said in a Feb. 28, 2007, interview on PBS.

In the past five quarters, Citigroup has booked a total of more than $37 billion in net losses, largely stemming from the company's overexposure to the U.S. real-estate sector.




http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123732747181462245.html
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 02:57 PM
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14. Hiring Cit's *rose-coloured glasses* economist to fix the problem?
"Mr. Alexander's role as Citigroup's chief economist didn't entail significant management responsibilities. But his optimistic economic forecasts colored executives' views that the U.S. was unlikely to face a prolonged slump."

Okay -- they've GOT to be frigging kidding us?
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 09:48 PM
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15. We WISH it was a joke! Does this just keep getting more unreal or not?
eom
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 02:12 PM
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13. Geithner is the inside man, operating in the interests of a gang of thieves.
Edited on Sun Mar-22-09 02:12 PM by leftofthedial
His "plan" proves it (yet again).
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