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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 09:02 AM
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I'd like a scooter - any suggestions
but most seem to be two stroke engines - aren't they worse pollution wise than a 4 stroke?
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 09:14 AM
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1. I have a Suzuki Burgman 400
Edited on Wed Apr-08-09 09:17 AM by doc03
it's a four stroke, it gets 60 to 70 MPG and it will do over 90 MPH. Suzuki also makes a 650 that is much faster but it doesn't do as well on gas. For around town I would go with the 400, my 400 is perfect for me I do 95% my riding in town or rural roads. If you would be riding mostly on the Interstates the 650 would be better. There are lots of others on the market Yamaha makes several models and so does Honda. There is also the Kymco that is supposed to be very good. Piaggio makes one that has two wheels up front that gets very good reviews, kind of pricey though. Stay away from the cheap Chinese jobs like Wildfire. I think all of those would be very clean burning.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 09:34 AM
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2. I went through the same process..
and ended up buying a used 250cc, 4-stroke dual-use motorcycle instead. See my post in the motorcycle group.

It's much better and cheaper than almost any good scooter and it still gets 75mpg.
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 09:59 AM
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4. Motorcycles are cheaper, but
Edited on Wed Apr-08-09 10:08 AM by doc03
better is purely a personnel preference. I think the scooter is much better if you want to use it for everyday errands I can carry lots of cargo in the trunk. I don't need to shift gears I got tired of that years ago. I can fit four full plastic Kroger bags in the trunk along with a tire repair kit, electric tire pump, tool kit and a rain suit.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 10:06 AM
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5. It's certainly a personal preference
Edited on Wed Apr-08-09 10:07 AM by tridim
But actually my bike's "trunk" luggage is bigger than most scooter trunks. I can fit a big bag of groceries in there.

The only thing I don't like about it is the hassle of gearing up for quick errands, but that's something scooter riders should do as well. I actually foresaw myself being less concerned with safety on a scooter like lots of scooter riders already are. I see many helmetless, jacketless, gloveless scooter riders every day. That's not smart at all, I guess people think scooters are safer because they're smaller.
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 10:17 AM
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6. I can carry four full grocery bags, tire kit, electric tire pump,
tool kit, and a rain suit. I always wear my helmet a leather or a mesh MC jacket, that asphalt is just as hard no matter what you fall off of. I am amazed at the Harley riders, I rarely see them with a helmet, it's funny they usually have all the leathers and stuff but a bandanna on the head. Whatever it's their head not mine.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 10:40 AM
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7. That is a big trunk, I guess I'm comparing my luggage to a normal scooter trunk
Like a Yamaha Vino 125 or similar. They have virtually no trunk at all. You must have one of those big honkin' adult scooters. :)

And yea some Harley riders are crazy. I don't get it at all because it's not about skill when a typical lazy driver runs you off the road or into oncoming traffic. I value my brain more than high-style.
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oldnslo Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 09:51 AM
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3. Before you buy a scooter, take a riding course. It will help
you to avoid being just another piece of roadkill.
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 09:20 PM
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8. Buy a Name Brand, Honda, Vespa, Yamaha, so parts can be obtained.
Edited on Wed Apr-08-09 09:39 PM by happyslug
Some of the Chinese made Mopeds, it is hard (and sometimes impossible) to get parts, such as tires, let alone new engine or body parts. For mopeds made by Vespa, Honda and most of the better known named Motorcycle/Moped Supplies, parts are NOT a problem, you may have to wait a few weeks, but you can get the parts.

I mention this is some of the Chinese Mopeds are 1/2 the price of the better known moped makers, there are NOT as well made and parts for many are hard if not impossible to obtain. This is improving, but you have to be careful.

Now as to actually naming a type of moped, I need to know what you are really looking for? Is it something to go around town in? A 50cc is good enough (I am assuming you are female and less then 150 pounds). I mention WEIGHT for when it comes to Mopeds, weight is important. A typical car weighs 2000 pounds and a 200 pound man is only 10% addition to the weight of a car. My 80cc Honda weighs 167 pounds and thus a 200 pound man is about 120% of the weight of Moped. A 200 pound man will be just a minor additional weight when it comes to the operation of the car, but you will be doubling the weight of the moped if that same 200 pound man gets on the Moped. In a car, the weight of the car is the most important factor in operation, speed, maneuverability and fuel economy, but when it comes to a Moped the weight of the OPERATOR is more important. A 300 pound man on a 50cc will be taxing the boundaries of what that 50cc can do, well a 125 pound female could drive that 50 cc all around that 300 pound man on his 50cc.

AS to Two Stroke vs Four Stroke engines, Two Stroke are more powerful, if you are comparing similar sizes (i.e. 50c vs 50cc) but the difference is NOT that huge, so by just going up a slight size you can overcome the lost of power (i.e 50cc Two Stroke is easily beaten by a 80cc Four Stroke). On the other hand, four stroke engines cause less pollution and why they are what you should buy. Most of the better two strokes engines have been pulled by their makers, leaving only the four Stroke behind (Except for odd makers coming out of China, which I would avoid unless you get a really good Deal).

Price, my 80cc Honda sold for about 2000 Dollars (It is no longer made, Honda is importing in a 153cc Moped for $4500 starting in June 2009) as of right now Honda is only shipping in 50c and 250cc models).

One last Comment, Women tend to like Moped more then men, for the same reason women tend to like recumbent more then men, which is that the center of gravity of men and women are different. Muscles weighs four time the same volume as fat, and men not only have more muscle then women, it is center around their chest. On Bicycle men like uprights for the simple reason with an upright Conventional bicycle their center of gravity is between the front handlebars and the seat (Where their chest is). It gives men the ability to move as one with the bicycle. Men tend to like Motorcycles for the same reason, now in Motorcycle the greatest weight is in the engine, but men can offset this by shifting their weight one side on the other when riding the Motorcycle.

Women, differ from men is that women have the single most powerful muscle in any human body, the muscles to give birth. Women's "Curves" is a result of how massive is this muscle. The upper parts of a woman go NOT come close to offsetting this muscles, and as such a women's center of Gravity is built around this muscle, i.e two inches below you belly button (I can be more detailed, but by this point you have an idea of where I am speaking of and we do NOT need to name it for this discussion).

Women's center of Gravity in a upright traditional bike, when she rides like a man, puts her center of gravity up in the air to her rear. For this reason women tend to want to ride more upright then men (To keep their center of Gravity DOWN). Thus a lot of women like Recumbent bicycles for your ass is centered on the bicycle between the wheels and the woman have the most control over the bike for her center of gravity and the recumbent;s center of gravity are one and the same.

In a Moped the weight is the engine not the rider, but a woman, by putting her ass on the seat Above the engine, maximizes that center of gravity. She sits more upright then a man on a Motorcycle. The Man on the Motorcycle is using his center of gravity (his Chest) to offset the motorcycle center of Gravity, the engine, thus men tend to lean more forward on a motorcycle and like it better then riding a Moped. A Moped is design for a more upright ride, which women tend to like better.

And the above is from a male who rides a 80cc Moped. The more I ride my Moped, the more I can see I would be better off with a Motorcycle, but at the same time I can see why women like it. On Long Trips I can really feel why I should switch, on shorter trips I can live with the problems.

Honda's New 153cc Moped, available June 2009:
http://powersports.honda.com/2010/sh150i.aspx

The rest of the Honda Line up:
http://powersports.honda.com/street/scooters.aspx

Yes, I like Honda, Honda is the #1 maker of engines in the world today, Mopeds, Lawn-mowers, Cars, generators, if it has an engine, Honda makes an engine for it.
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Fledermaus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 11:57 PM
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9. Two strokes are still leagal if they are under 50cc and meet the new air standards.
I would not get anything under 100cc.
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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 11:29 AM
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10. but then I have to have a motorcycle license
In Wisconsin if you have a 50cc you just have to have a regular drivers license.
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Fledermaus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 11:53 PM
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15. Test drive one and see what you like. 50cc will get you good gas mileage.
I like something with more power and can keep up with traffic. I never liked having cars on my tail and passing me because I was too slow for traffic.

Test dive some and see what you like. If you want to go over 45mph and keep up with traffic on hills, you will probably need something bigger than 50cc.

Test drive some, see what you like.
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 01:31 PM
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11. I have a 80cc in the Mountains of Pennsylvania
On most of the roads I have no problem, top speed about 45-50 mph (If you are on a small bike top speed is going to be below 50mph). On most of the roads going up the mountains the 80cc is more then powerful enough to take me (and I weigh 280 pounds) up these mountain sides. The Speed my drop to 10mph, but that is still a legal speed on any road other then a limited access Highway (and many Limited Access Highway do NOT have a minimum speed limit so small mopeds are legal on them, you just have to be careful which one you take it on (Pennsylvania has no blanket bans on "Mopeds" which I have seen on other states, but on its Interstate have a Minimum speed limit of 40mph, which 50 cc mopeds just can NOT do, 80 cc moped barely can do, larger mopeds can easily do).

The issue, as I wrote above is what are you expecting? If you are inner city, a 50 cc is enough, if you go on faster roads 100 cc would be better, Interstates you want a large bike.

One last comment, I have found that most limited access highways have very low grades, grades so low my Moped can get close to its maximum speed on them, something I can NOT say of the Secondary road system. The secondary Road system tend to have much steeper grades, which slows down my 80cc a good bit. Thus on the Limited Access Highways I have taken my 80 cc on, 40-45 mph is about normal for even in hilly country. On Secondary roads I often slow down to 15-20 mph do to the steepness of the grade. The only roads I have had a problem making at all have been Housing roads in Pittsburgh, some of those grades can be as high as 30%. I have had to dismount and walk my moped up such steep hillside roads, but these are housing streets NOT main roads.

My point is if you are willing to accept lower speeds, you can do quite well with a 50 cc Moped.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 03:23 PM
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12. Here you go
but I don't understand why you'd want it...



www.dfordog.com/didyouknow_anal_glands.htm
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 06:56 PM
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13. That looks familiar. Depressingly familiar.
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 11:23 PM
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14. I don't know how many strokes this one is. You'll have to try it out and see.
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