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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 02:57 PM
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Cable boxes use more power than the fridge
I suspected these things were energy vampires based on how hot they are even when they're "off." As usual, it's even worse than my already-low expectations. The bonus evil is that if you turn them off too long, the cable company will deactivate them, and you have to get on the phone to reset it.

According to a recent report (.pdf file) by the Natural Resources Defense Council, the cable TV boxes in your home may use more electricity than your refrigerator.

The average energy consumption of a typical household setup -- one high-definition digital video recorder and one high-def set-top box -- is 446 kilowatt-hours a year. A 21-cubic-foot Energy Star top-freezer refrigerator, on the other hand, uses 415 kwh.

And it gets worse. Even if you never turn them on, it's not going to matter much, because set-top boxes use nearly as much electricity whether they're on or off. How much is it costing us as a nation? Post continues after video.

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In 2010, the electricity required to operate all U.S. set-top boxes was equal to the annual household electricity consumption of the entire state of Maryland, resulted in 16 million metric tons of carbon dioxide emissions, and cost households more than $3 billion.

http://money.msn.com/saving-money-tips/post.aspx?post=557278e9-fd30-48e3-aa8b-da82864b9c43

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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 03:01 PM
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1. Thanks for the post. Never would have guessed it. Folks could unplug the boxes when not in use?
:shrug:
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 03:09 PM
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3. you can, but if you leave it unplugged too long the cable company disables it...
on their end, and you have to call them to re-enable it. I know from personal experience x(

I've heard the max time for unplugging can be as low as 24 hours.

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sharp_stick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 03:19 PM
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4. Every time you turn it back on
the thing has to reboot and interrogate the cable system for the menus and such. The reboot time makes my 6 year old loaded desktop look like a speed demon by comparison.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 03:01 PM
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2. Wow.. Cable is not very green is it?
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 03:21 PM
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5. Another weird thing
After we got our new 42" LCD TV, I discovered it used more power than our old 36" Sony WEGA CRT.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 03:29 PM
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6. this story fits your user name :-) n/t
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mimitabby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 03:37 PM
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7. we got a new one that can be unplugged
Edited on Mon Oct-24-11 03:38 PM by mimitabby
our old one would have brain farts if we unplugged it, so i called and complained and in a couple weeks a new one came in the mail. WE turn it off every night, (on a power bar) and it's only on when we watch TV..

call your cable company!
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 03:38 PM
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8. Misleading title. Directv boxes draw 24watts. But still, it's basically true. Pretty shocking.
Typical boxes use HALF what an extremely frugal fridge uses.

But I had to run my own numbers before I believed it. Pretty incredible.

And computers are another subject.
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Serve The Servants Donating Member (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 04:31 PM
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9. Yeah, but the fridge won't DVR "The Walking Dead" when I'm not home.
I'd rather keep the lights off and unplug the refrigerator. There's no food in it anyways.
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-11 10:28 PM
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10. Mine does. There's always that green, zombie container, lurking...
Edited on Mon Oct-24-11 10:28 PM by pinto

:hide:

pinto, not the best housekeeper on the planet...
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 07:21 AM
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11. You know I've put a meter on my complete entertainment system
satelite box, stereo etc and I don't see this kind of numbers at all. I think someone is full of shit.
I don't mean you Phantom Power but the author of this little ditty. Personally I think you are an alright dude who is honest as the day is long but this is bullshit.

I guess I'll have to drag our kill-a-watt meter out and see if things have changed since I last did this experiment a while back. (a year or so) :hi:
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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 11:07 AM
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12. It does seem incredible
We have an older Roku box. Certainly it must have as much logic circuitry as a typical cable box. One feature it is missing is an on/off switch.

According to http://www.missingremote.com/review/roku-xds-digital-video-player">this review, "The Roku XD|S measured around 7 watts whether idle or playing back content. When using the wireless connection, the power draw increased approximately 1 watt. When plugging in USB flash memory, the power draw increased approximately 0.5 watts."
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 12:18 PM
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13. I know my refrigerator uses a lot more energy than that
and its an energy star pretty new. 3 or 4 years old now
I don't buy what they're saying at all because I've put my meter on everything in our house to see how much energy they use and nothing is like is reported here. I think its more bull than anything myself.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 01:19 PM
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14. The set top boxes with hard disk drives to record programs are the big energy hogs
Our simpler "terminal" takes a long time to boot up. I only unplug it when we go away.
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 01:31 PM
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15. I've never done anything like measure and compare mine to my fridge...
The only thing I really know is, my cable box is always hot. 24/7, on or "off". Anything that hot all the time must be wasting measurable energy, and definitely more than just an average wall-wart.

I definitely don't claim to know if the "> fridge" claim is specifically true. If it's bogus, I apologize to the forum!

:dunce:
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-11 04:48 PM
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16. This goes around the intertubes every once in a while and thats why I checked ours out
a couple years or so ago and at the time I found that what they were claiming was bogus. Nothing on you personally and I hope I didn't imply anything like that.
I felt of our set top box thingie that records programs when you ask it to and ours wasn't warm this morning and after my wife went to work and turned everything off it still wasn't warm even after the tv was on for an hour and a half. I know that a refrigerator uses quit a bit of power 24/7. We don't turn anything off except the computer that is on a power strip and I only do it in case of an electrical storm and thats because I lost a power supply because of a lightning strike early on in my computer days.
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