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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-13-06 02:32 PM Original message |
A fellow green just pissed me off, today. |
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n2doc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-13-06 02:36 PM Response to Original message |
1. There are all types out there |
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orwell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-13-06 02:50 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Population reduction... |
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sabbat hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-13-06 03:05 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. you would have |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-13-06 03:30 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. Those peoples' distain for technology is also frightening. |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-15-06 12:19 PM Response to Reply #8 |
46. No worries about GM food? check this out... |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-15-06 02:39 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. As I have said countless times... |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-15-06 06:47 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. Actually, it is. Concidering that GM food is unconstitution. nt |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-16-06 09:21 AM Response to Reply #49 |
59. Unconstitutional? Huh? |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-16-06 10:09 AM Response to Reply #59 |
61. Oy vey, do your homework... |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-16-06 12:29 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. I'm agianst patenting GMOs for that reason. |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-16-06 01:07 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. You were the one that put... |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-16-06 01:26 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. I thought you were saying the technology itself was unconstitutional. |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-16-06 07:40 AM Response to Reply #8 |
54. So is some people's WORSHIP of technology... |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-16-06 12:31 PM Response to Reply #54 |
63. I do not worship technology. |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-16-06 12:37 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Faith that technology will continue our consumerist lifestyle... |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-15-06 09:26 PM Response to Reply #1 |
52. The Amish seem to be doing remarkably well for living without electricity. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-16-06 12:32 PM Response to Reply #52 |
64. And I sure has hell wouldn't want to be one. |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-16-06 08:59 PM Response to Reply #64 |
70. They are content with their circumstances and seem well-fed and |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-16-06 09:15 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. This is true... |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-17-06 12:15 AM Response to Reply #71 |
73. Well, I for one don't want or need drive-thru burgers, wide screen TVs, |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-17-06 01:18 AM Response to Reply #73 |
74. I'm with you on that... |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-17-06 10:08 AM Response to Reply #74 |
81. But at least we can try to set a good example. |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-17-06 10:53 AM Response to Reply #81 |
82. Oh, of course... |
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dcfirefighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-19-06 12:08 PM Response to Reply #52 |
88. C'mon |
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melnjones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-21-06 09:53 PM Response to Reply #52 |
97. Ever gotten to know the Amish? |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-22-06 11:38 AM Response to Reply #97 |
112. The same can be said about Republicans. |
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melnjones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-22-06 03:23 PM Response to Reply #112 |
113. well...not really... |
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madinmaryland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-13-06 02:53 PM Response to Original message |
3. While I don't agree with her logic about building more power |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-13-06 03:42 PM Response to Reply #3 |
13. The goal should be reducing damage on the enviroment.by ANY means |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-13-06 02:57 PM Response to Original message |
4. Nuclear energy is completely unacceptable to me -- if you believe it is |
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pberq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-13-06 03:01 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. thank you for the Helen C. article! |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-13-06 03:29 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. only one problem with the Solar investments |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-13-06 03:32 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Don't try to reason with the Solar and Wind fanatics. |
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Kolesar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-13-06 03:34 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. OMG |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-13-06 04:43 PM Response to Reply #9 |
16. One thing I dislike about DU is when people assume that you have been |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-13-06 05:12 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Search through the E/E history... |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-13-06 05:21 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. I hang out in 'Election Reform' and have found 80% of DU will NOT |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-13-06 05:38 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. I don't think we get that bad here... |
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theHandpuppet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-14-06 05:59 AM Response to Reply #19 |
28. You're not alone, Indy Op |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-14-06 10:18 AM Response to Reply #28 |
32. If an opinion cannot survive DU it cannot survive in the real world. |
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theHandpuppet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-14-06 11:45 AM Response to Reply #32 |
36. Having your opinion challenged is one thing... |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-14-06 04:55 PM Response to Reply #19 |
37. Here are projections by real experts. |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-14-06 05:21 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. I'm sure we're in good hands. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-19-06 08:12 PM Response to Reply #18 |
91. What Caldicott has actually said is rather different and concerns the .. |
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eppur_se_muova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-16-06 12:20 AM Response to Reply #7 |
53. So, there's not enough sunlight to light up the whole outdoors? |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-13-06 03:49 PM Response to Reply #4 |
14. I guess it doesn't matter that Helen Caldicott doesn't understand |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-14-06 11:35 PM Response to Reply #14 |
41. Got a link on Helen's alleged "praying and chanting"? She has an MD |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-15-06 10:25 AM Response to Reply #41 |
45. Which means what, exactly? |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-15-06 07:33 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. Do YOU have a link on the alleged "praying and chanting"? |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-17-06 08:30 AM Response to Reply #50 |
79. Find it yourself, coal boy. |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-17-06 02:29 AM Response to Reply #41 |
75. She's a pedetrician. They don't teach nuclear engineering in |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-19-06 08:13 PM Response to Reply #75 |
92. "... The people saying these things are not biologists, they're not .. |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-13-06 03:32 PM Response to Original message |
10. Uh, where do we put the nuclear garbage? |
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Massacure (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-13-06 07:29 PM Response to Reply #10 |
23. Nuclear waste can be made deadly for only 400 years. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-14-06 11:37 PM Response to Reply #23 |
42. Got a link on the wonderful program Clinton allegedly killed? |
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Massacure (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-15-06 08:32 AM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Here are two wikipedia articles |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-15-06 08:02 PM Response to Reply #44 |
51. Sodium-cooled reactors! O, be still my heart: |
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Massacure (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-16-06 05:22 PM Response to Reply #51 |
69. Amusing how you argue using reactors that are 40 years old. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-16-06 11:40 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. 1996 was 40 years ago in your world? |
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Massacure (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-17-06 07:19 AM Response to Reply #72 |
77. Oops, see post #76 |
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Massacure (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-17-06 07:17 AM Response to Reply #51 |
76. Four of your five reactors are antiques |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-19-06 08:44 PM Response to Reply #76 |
93. Try the new improved Titantic! Now with Unsinkability-Plus! |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-22-06 10:19 AM Response to Reply #93 |
108. Well coal boy, have you compared this perfomance with coal plants? |
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Kellanved (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-20-06 02:38 AM Response to Reply #23 |
96. fast breeders are another can of worms |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-15-06 02:57 PM Response to Reply #10 |
48. Recylce it back into more fuel. |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-16-06 08:48 AM Response to Reply #10 |
56. Right now wind, solar, tidal, geothermal, and hydro |
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Kolesar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-13-06 03:32 PM Response to Original message |
11. I would find rolling blackouts preferable to building new power plants... |
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Massacure (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-13-06 07:32 PM Response to Reply #11 |
24. 99% of americans would disagree with you. |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-13-06 04:15 PM Response to Original message |
15. I don't see you as really "green" |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-13-06 06:55 PM Response to Reply #15 |
21. Pro-technology and pro-enviroment don't have to contradict. |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-14-06 02:56 AM Response to Reply #15 |
26. People are pro-consumption.. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-14-06 10:17 AM Response to Reply #26 |
31. This is exactly my point. |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-16-06 07:46 AM Response to Reply #26 |
55. If that is the case, then we are doomed. |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-16-06 09:01 AM Response to Reply #26 |
57. You're absolutely right |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-16-06 09:11 AM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Rural-to-urban migration |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-16-06 09:30 AM Response to Reply #57 |
60. Exactly, modern farming and sustainibility are not mutually exclusive. |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-17-06 09:48 AM Response to Reply #60 |
80. It's like Al Gore and those gold bars |
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DrGonzoLives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-23-06 07:34 AM Response to Reply #26 |
118. "Joe Average" |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-23-06 08:01 AM Response to Reply #118 |
119. Yes... and no. |
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rock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-13-06 05:01 PM Response to Original message |
17. We could feed the starving |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-13-06 06:56 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. That's pretty much the philosphy of the anti-technology people. |
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cprise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-14-06 08:50 PM Response to Reply #17 |
40. The problem is political. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-13-06 09:31 PM Response to Original message |
25. It's possible she's twisted the logic of Jevon's paradox |
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arenean (230 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-14-06 04:30 AM Response to Original message |
27. Over consumption always causes problems |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-14-06 10:20 AM Response to Reply #27 |
33. What I've heard says we have a lot more then 50 years left. |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-16-06 12:44 PM Response to Reply #33 |
66. Church of Technological Advancement |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-21-06 11:26 PM Response to Reply #66 |
99. In 1940 there were many who said we couldn't get to the moon. |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-22-06 07:25 AM Response to Reply #99 |
101. False analogy |
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dcfirefighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-22-06 08:02 AM Response to Reply #101 |
102. You blame TECHNOLOGY for our fate? |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-22-06 08:38 AM Response to Reply #102 |
103. No, I blame the careless application of technology... |
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dcfirefighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-22-06 11:24 AM Response to Reply #103 |
111. Understood. |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-22-06 08:49 AM Response to Reply #101 |
104. Fusion is a bit more advanced than you think: |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-22-06 08:55 AM Response to Reply #104 |
105. Thanks for the info... |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-22-06 09:46 AM Response to Reply #105 |
107. Sorry, I'm rambling... |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-22-06 10:55 AM Response to Reply #105 |
110. Ahem... |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-22-06 09:29 AM Response to Reply #104 |
106. They are very, very, very far from tritium breeding. |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-22-06 10:45 AM Response to Reply #106 |
109. Hey, I'm not suggesting we wait for it... |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-22-06 04:27 PM Response to Reply #109 |
114. The fusion neutron is around 14 MeV. |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-23-06 01:22 AM Response to Reply #114 |
115. Rats |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-23-06 04:51 AM Response to Reply #115 |
116. Of course one could get spallation neutrons, from elements like |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-23-06 05:05 AM Response to Reply #116 |
117. Oddly enough... |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-23-06 03:15 PM Response to Reply #117 |
120. Well, if you're going to practice... |
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4dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-14-06 06:49 AM Response to Original message |
29. Try conservation.. |
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Nihil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-14-06 07:19 AM Response to Reply #29 |
30. And that doesn't even require a single dollar out of your pocket! |
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4dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-17-06 05:38 PM Response to Reply #30 |
83. I've unplugged all not used devices |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-14-06 10:25 AM Response to Reply #29 |
34. If the energy is clean who cares how much we consume? |
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cprise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-14-06 08:39 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. There are FAR more paths to eco destruction than CO2 |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-14-06 11:41 PM Response to Reply #34 |
43. Really no such thing as clean energy: it's all problematic. |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-14-06 11:01 AM Response to Reply #29 |
35. I don't want to "avoid building" coal fired power plants. |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-17-06 08:26 AM Response to Reply #29 |
78. This is a peculiarly American outlook. |
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4dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 04:07 PM Response to Reply #78 |
84. We are leaderless in this area |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-19-06 04:26 PM Response to Reply #84 |
90. Another "begging the question" hack response constituting poor thinking. |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-19-06 01:14 AM Response to Reply #78 |
85. True, but pollution is a peculiarly American problem |
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Nihil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-19-06 06:56 AM Response to Reply #78 |
86. Another "peculiarly American outlook" ... |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-19-06 10:01 AM Response to Reply #86 |
87. I could answer your question... |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-19-06 09:35 PM Response to Reply #78 |
94. American wastefulness may be the single biggest contributer .. |
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IronLionZion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-19-06 03:46 PM Response to Original message |
89. So it's better to keep polluting the air? |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-21-06 11:21 PM Response to Reply #89 |
98. No, of course not. |
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Massacure (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-21-06 11:53 PM Response to Reply #98 |
100. Civilization will collapse before fusion comes around. |
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Kellanved (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-20-06 02:32 AM Response to Original message |
95. In fact she has a point |
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