New Theory: Universe Born in a Black Hole

[On the Road]

If black holes and the Big Bang befuddle you, try wrapping your brain around this one: The entire universe may have been created in an explosion inside a black hole.

"It's a mathematically plausible model which refines the standard model of the Big Bang," said Blake Temple, a mathematician at the University of California, Davis.

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In the proposed modification to the standard model, the Big Bang is an actual explosion, Temple explained today in a statement, and it occurs within a black hole in an existing space. The shock wave of the explosion is expanding into an infinite space.

Temple also describes the whole scenario as a white hole, the theoretical opposite of a black hole because it tosses matter outward instead of pulling it in.

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/white_hole_030917.html

[soleft]

1. My father says he know what black holes really are

and that all the scientists are wrong. Also, NASA has asked him to stop sending them letters.

[phantom power]

2. darn it, I'll bite: what does your father think they are?

[soleft]

7. He doesn't want to share until he has it copyrighted

it actually makes no sense to me and he may be crazy, I'll keep you posted.

[trotsky]

3. I didn't know this was a "new" theory...

I thought this had already been postulated - that black holes in our universe may be "white" holes in another universe. The singularity that is a black hole means the laws of physics completely break down; thus a whole new universe with different laws could exist on the "other side" of a black hole.

[On the Road]

4. I Hadn't Heard the Other Universe Explanation

You mean that matter passes through the black hole and emerges in a parallel universe?

[trotsky]

5. Yes

Matter, or whatever the alternate universe is made of.

[Nihil]

13. Yes but ...

... don't get bogged down with thinking about the transfer across the
boundary as just throwing lumps of rock through a hoop.

Don't forget that matter and energy are interchangeable terms:
matter is energy, energy is matter.

[comradebillyboy]

10. white holes have been a topic of scientific speculation

since no actual evidence supports the existance of white holes, but now there is a new mathematical model which porports to explain a possible mechanism initiating the big bang.

the standard model, like any important scientific theopry is a work in progress. if a new model explains observable reality and predicts observable events better, then it will become the new standard model. there is unlikely to be a definitive standard model ever.

[Nihil]

11. So have black holes

The same could be said about black holes too - there is no more evidence
supporting black holes than white holes - but, again, both are still in
the "working hypothesis" stage.

Black holes are currently supported by the indirect evidence of a large
amount of energy being emitted from a small region of space. This would
tie into the emissions from matter accelerating into the gravity well.

Oddly enough, evidence of a large amount of energy being emitted from a
small region of space would also support the existance of white holes
(i.e., the emissions from matter being spat out into our universe).

Both black and white holes would fit in with the observable behaviour
of quasars but only one appears to be politically acceptable by the
scientific establishment at the moment.

(And people thought that it was only the 18th century Royal Society that
stifled scientific progress due to ossified egos ...)

Nihil

[Nihil]

12. It's not a "new" theory

This was being discussed even at the "interested pleb" level back in
the 1980s and those discussions drew on much older hypotheses.
(I've probably still got some scribbled correspondence on this in my
junk-pile of papers in the garage!)

You have it *exactly* right with your comment:

> The singularity that is a black hole means the laws of physics
> completely break down; thus a whole new universe with different laws
> could exist on the "other side" of a black hole.

More to the point, as the singularity prevents *any* information from
crossing the event horizon, there is no possible distinction between
the 'edge of known space' on the boundary of a black hole and the
'edge of known space' on the boundary of our universe. None.

Note: The term "our universe" in the above refers to the superset of
the current observable universe. Even as our tools improve and thus
push out the boundaries of observation, there is still a boundary that
cannot (by definition) be exceeded. That is the "outermost" edge of
known space (though "inner" & "outer" become topologically vague when
discussing singularities).

Nihil

[Wilber_Stool]

6. Personally

I like the theory with the turtle. I like turtles.

[tg]

8. Actually, as Terry Pratchett pointed out,

you have the same problem with the Turtle Hypothesis. Is the turtle swimming forever (the steady gait theory) or heading toward a spawning ground where the world will be destroyed while the turtle mates (the big bang theory).

[DrWeird]

9. In the beginning there was nothing...

which then exploded.

[Pale Blue Dot]

14. I like that theory the best

Finally someone in this forum has typed a sentence that I actually understand! :evilgrin:

[reprobate]

15. I wonder if that new stuff they call 'spacial energy' could have.....

....anything to do with black/white holes. In other words, is the energy that has been said to be 'popping up' in free space, (the energy that's causing the accelerating expansion of space itself), a result of a black hole in another universe sucking in energy/matter and transferring it to our universe in a sort of 'white hole'?

Boy, this stuff gives me a headache.