That guy in Pittsburgh bought his guns "because he felt the quality of life was being diminished,"

[proud2BlibKansan]

Then today he killed 3 cops with them.
http://post-gazette.com/pg/09094/960660-100.stm

How do guns enhance the quality of life? :shrug:

[Ian David]

1. Insurance does't cover Viagra. n/t

[proud2BlibKansan]

12. Yes it does

My policy does.

[Ian David]

16. I wouldn't know. *I* don't need it.

Oooh....

I snarked you!

[proud2BlibKansan]

23. I don't need it either

But I doubt they would prescribe it to a woman. :shrug:

[DoctorMyEyes]

2. The guy was a Glenn Beck/Limbaugh/RedState influenced

fucking nut! If he wasn't a white supremecist himself he certainly was chummy with someone from the "culture". He's one of the type of people these cheetoh eating cowardly talking heads are trying to incite. Con-grat-u-fucking-lations! Three men are dead and five children lost their father's today. My heart goes out to the families of these officers. I'm sick. SICK!

[villager]

3. Damn good question, ain't it?

n/t

[doctor jazz]

4. Wasn't that similar to Tim McVeigh's rationale?

He murdered 168 people with a truckload of ammonium nitrate...

[StClone]

5. Exact point you can't get Ammonium Nitrate anymore.

Damn my sweet corn suffers for it. Guns I don't miss.

My brother was at a gun show in N.C. and they had a 50mm on sale!

[doctor jazz]

18. I just bought 800 lb. of it. You aren't licensed, apparently.

...

[StClone]

41. You did!?

My dealer can't even get it. I wish I were paid to post on DU.

[Hangingon]

34. 50 mm cannon?

[StClone]

42. Yes with a nearly two mile kill range.

[Hangingon]

43. I suspect you mean .50 caliber. and not 50 mm.

It is nice to know what you are talking about when you write. It gives you credibility. A .50 caliber cartridge is a half inch in diameter. A 50 mm cartridge would almost two inches in diameter. Yes the .50 caliber can reach out to nearly two miles. The .50 caliber is legal but is another boogie man. The rifles chambered for this round, usually the .50 BMG, are normally used by civilians in marksman competition.

[StClone]

46. This guy is a Marine and he said "50mm"

He could have misspoke though.

[Hangingon]

53. Oh, it was the other guy who doesn't knbow what he was saying.

[proud2BlibKansan]

6. He thought ammonium nitrate enhanced the quality of HIS life?

Huh?

[doctor jazz]

17. He thought killing people would. Like the Turner Diaries told him it would.

I doubt anyone, even any other sociopsychopathic misfit would do what he did if he didn't think it would be beneficial to him(self) in some perverse way. Do you disagree?

[MissDeeds]

7. Guns really enhanced the quality of life

for the officers and their families, didn't it? This makes me sick, and scared beyond words. My brother is a chief of police. God...my heart goes out to the families, friends, and the community.
There are no words. :cry:

[jedr]

8. Right wing propaganda has the gun shops doing a ;

booming business. Mostly gray beards , like myself, getting ready for the Apocalypse. Trying to explain to any of them that this is all horse-sh*t will get your tires slashed and your car keyed. But then again, anyone in the middle class who is still convinced that George Bush was a champion of their cause is easily manipulated. :crazy:

[malaise]

14. So is the NRA sponsoring these programs

We need to find out.

[Missy Vixen]

9. But-but-but they were for his personal protection!

After all, he might have to shoot an intruder, or shoot someone who was trying to hold up the local Burger King! He was just using them for target practice! He should be able to own as many guns as he wants, despite the fact that from all outward appearances, he had an anger problem at the very least.

His Second Amendment rights trumped the right of those officers to go home to their families, didn't they? :sarcasm:

[proud2BlibKansan]

11. His second amendment rights got 3 cops killed

[Missy Vixen]

15. To the gun nuts, that's okay

They just should have drawn faster, huh? :sarcasm:

I'm sick inside when I think of their loved ones. :cry:

[bossy22]

28. no its not okay

we are just as sickened and disgusted by this act as any other sensible person...but we dont think that an incident like that should be used to erode away rights that are in our constitution

maybe if we banned guns in this country this wouldnt happen...maybe.....but then again maybe if we had a 1984 style society 9-11 wouldnt have happened either...but i think i'd be hard pressed to find many people here advocating for a broader, more intrusive patriot act

but all in all...this was a sick individual with a sick plan

[AlinPA]

47. Right, but I don't think the Pittsburgh guy is mentally ill. He knew exactly what he was doing.

He is a zealot for his gun rights and believes he was defending them when he ambushed the police when they came to his house.

[jmg257]

49. Yours, too. nt

[doctor jazz]

19. May I ask you this, do you think citizens should not have the right to defend themselves

with a gun if they are threatened, as often happens in a home invasion? Yes or no?

[malaise]

20. Does anyone need an AK47 to defend him/herself?

Yes or no?

[doctor jazz]

21. Not necessarily, but an AK47 is by comparison to most hunting rifles "low powered"

I think it's a little funny and a lot sick how every "news" report finds it imperative to refer to any rifle as "high powered"...I can't think of a single report in the last 50 years of a "low powered" gun being used. I guess that doesn't gyrate the hormones of the gun grabbers.

[proud2BlibKansan]

25. Do gun dealers refer to any of the guns they sell as "low powered"?

[bossy22]

27. yes

depending on what its in comparison too....low and high are all relative terms...dependent on another variable

a .223 is high powered when compared to a 22 lr.....but when compared to a 30-06 its low powered

[doctor jazz]

32. Of course. That is exactly what they will describe and suggest for someone who just wants

to do some target practice or get rid of small varmints.

[Hangingon]

35. Yes

Many will tell people looking for a home defense weapon that a small pistol in .22 .32 or even .380 is low powered. Many feel the that NATO 9 mm lacks sufficient stopping power.

[rl6214]

30. If that is the weapon at hand

Yes, you do have the right to protect yourself with an ak47. It is not a hi powered rifle. It is compact and easy to handle. There is very little recoil and even a small woman can handle it. It is a little heavier than a defensive weapon needs to be though.

How many shots were fired in this incident? I would say probably less than 10. The fact that he owned an ak47 played no part in this shooting, he could have done it with any hunting rifle. The capacity of the rifle made no difference. The speed at which the rifle could be fired played no part in it. He chose his targets and fired deliberately.

[aikoaiko]

38. Not if that person has a FAL.

;)


More seriously, carbines like AR15s or semi-automatic AK-47 style weapons are useful in some self-defense situations. For example, in a home invasion with multiple perpetrators, a 16 inch AR15 would be my first choice.

[jmg257]

54. Yes, if that is the weapon they decided they wanted for that purpose.

Wouldn't be my 1st choice - but it would work in a pinch.

[proud2BlibKansan]

24. As "often" happens??

I don't know anyone whose home has been invaded. Do you?

[spin]

26. Yes, my home...

and because my daughter had access to a large caliber handgun and the training and skill to use it, she was able to deter an intruder who was forcing open a sliding glass door.

Fortunately, all she had to do was point the revolver at the intruder. He decided to leave.

A burglar alarm and a 60 lb Black Lab failed to stop him, but the view of 98 pound 17 year old girl with a S&W 45acp revolver did the trick. I've had a .22 caliber revolver pointed at me and it looked amazingly large so I can understand how he felt.

While home invasion is not an everyday event, it does indeed happen.

* According to a United States Department of Justice report:
o 38% of assaults & 60% of rapes occur during home invasions.
o 1 of every 5 homes will experience a break-in or home invasion. That's over 2,000,000 homes!
* According to Statistics Canada, there has been an average of 289,200 home invasions annually over the last 5 years.
* Statistically, there are over 8,000 home invasions per day in North America
* According to Statistics U.S.A., there was an average of 3,600,000 home invasions annually between 1994 and 2000.
http://bumpkeywarning.com/HomeInvasionStatistics.htm

Statistically you will probably never have a home invasion. Statistically you will never get hit by lightning. But shit happens.

Note: I also know of two people who were knocked off their feet by a near lightning strike and my ex-wife got a feeder bolt through her arm when she was lowering her umbrella while entering her car. But then I lived in Tampa which claims to be the lightning capital of the world (falsely).

[rrneck]

40. A Lab? Every Lab I ever saw

might lick him to death at most. :)

[doctor jazz]

31. Yes, I do.

My mom's next door neighbors in what has always been considered a nice and safe area (where I grew up and in the 1950s there we didn't lock our doors. That is now unthinkable.)

I bought her a .38 revolver and taught her to use it safely...I hope she kills anybody trying to break into her house.

[Hangingon]

36. Yes

We have a lot of home invasions here.

[proud2BlibKansan]

37. I would move

We haven't had any home invasions here that I am aware of. But if I felt unsafe enough to need a gun, I would move. We moved once already from an area where the crime rate went up.

[Endangered Specie]

39. Not everyone has the luxury of just up and moving.

either because of job, money, or family.

[proud2BlibKansan]

50. Well I do

Everybody doesn't have to do what I would do, now do they?

[Hangingon]

44. When do you stop moving?

I don't like to move. I feel that I have taken proper and legal precautions so I am secure.

[proud2BlibKansan]

51. I am fine where I am

Been here 15 years, and I don't anticipate having to move until I want to move. Then I will move.

[Hangingon]

52. Cute answer, but as usual, you do not answer the question.

[proud2BlibKansan]

55. You asked "when do you stop moving"?

I have stopped. What more of an answer do you want?

[AlinPA]

48. The Pittsburgh shooter ambushed those policemen. I guess he thinks he was

defending himself from being questioned by them. If they asked him to give up his gun in that incident he was acting in self defense?

[JerseygirlCT]

10. Frightening thought, isn't it?

I guess happiness really is a warm gun.

[malaise]

13. He's about to find out in prison

without his guns.

[Gin]

22. I wouldn't want to be him.....I thought he would have shot himself

rather than be taken alive.....guns will now be used by guards to protect HIM...what a reversal! Pathetic, delusional, young fool...life as he knew it is over.

[rl6214]

29. As pro-gun as I am

I see no way that purchasing a firearm can enhance his quality of life. I mourn for the officers that died in the line of duty.

[aikoaiko]

33. Lots of good things can lead to unjust, horrible, or malicious outcomes

Voting can produce a murderous president, speech can incite a riot, due process can set someone free, etc.

[jmg257]

45. They allow one to...go shooting, spend quality time teaching their kids how to shoot,

have many good times with their father even as he gets older, enjoy learning how to shoot, go trap shooting with buddies, go duck hunting with friends, learn about & collect interesting/historically siginificant objects, provide themselves with convenient means of self-defense, give/get great presents, partake in shooting competitions, etc. etc. etc.