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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 08:13 PM
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Has a policeman ever asked you to sign a form that says that the police will not help you?
This is for those people who to whatever degree they oppose the right to keep and bear arms, do.

If you do not live in Florida, you probably have never seen this form. In fact, if you don't live within a mile or so of the big water, then you probably have never seen this form. This is a form that the police present to you when they ask you to leave your home prior to a hurricane and you refuse. You sign this form to acknowledge that you have been made aware that the police and other emergency services may not be able to answer your call for the next 24 hours or more. You are formally acknowledging that you accept the risk of remaining in your own home, on your own. This is serious business.

Everyone here has access to the internet. Everyone here can read about the lawlessness, the looting, the inexplicable craziness which can happen when a disaster disables what limited capacity the government has to protect people. A hurricane. A freak snowstorm. A blackout. An earthquake. A riot. These are the major things. These are the times when it seems to make sense to have a gun to protect yourself.

Have you ever been walking from your car to your apartment and you see four guys who are going to attack you, and you know that they are going to attack you, and you know that you can't possibly defend yourself? That's tyranny. Tyranny isn't simply King George. One of the best lines in any movie was when Mel Gibson said, "Why should I trade one tyrant 3000 miles away for 3000 tyrants a mile away?" The simplest definition of tyranny is "oppressive power". What would you call people who have bars on their windows, security systems on everything that they own, whose children cannot experience the same level of freedom to wander and play that they themselves had enjoyed as a child? I'd say that they are oppressed.

How many people got terrorized by criminals during and after Katrina? Probably not all that many. We could say the same for Hurricane Andrew, and Hugo. Plenty did, but statistically in such a large country, a very small percentage. Thousands perhaps. Now consider how many people were the victims of violent crimes in the US in 2007. I think it's something like 600,000, don't quote me. Six hundred thousand people being terrorized in the US by people who live anywhere from next door to a couple of miles away. That's tyranny. Knowing that it's a matter of time, is oppression.

Isn't liberty more than freedom of speech? Isn't liberty also the freedom to defend yourself and your property? Isn't the most immediate threat to your liberty someone who isn't very far away at any given moment?

Many who support "gun control" say that they don't want to disarm everyone, they just want registration, or this kind of gun or that one to go away. I can't say that you aren't being truthful, I don't know you. But I am allowed to believe what I read other people say, and they do want to take away all the guns. They sincerely believe that getting rid of guns will make things better, even if they get rid of the law abiding guns first. That's not their right. Just because you feel safe when the police tell you, or show you, that they can't protect you doesn't mean that I do. My sister lives on a farm. She is frequently there by herself. Do you think that no one knows that? Do you think that a violent criminal even cares if her husband is there? They live so far out that a guy could kill them slowly while they scream, and no one would hear. The same is true of my aging aunt and her aging husband. These people own guns for a reason.

The difference between where I live and where most of you live is that we actually sign a form that says that the police can't protect us. It's not their job to protect us, it's their job to catch the guy who killed us. I'd rather congratulate them for catching the guy who tried.
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virgogal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 08:17 PM
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1. Your header is terribly misleading.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 08:19 PM
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2. some one is always afraid -- afraid of the 'mob' -- afraid of mexicans --
afraid of this -- of that -- of the other thing.

fear is what got us into iraq, viet nam, or at least the excuse of fear.

america the feaful and the over armed.
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 09:07 PM
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9. Nah, nothing ever happens to people...
it's all mindless fear that causes people to buy firearms. Just stupid paranoia. They are completely safe in their home without a dangerous weapon like a gun.

And if they do live in a bad neighborhood, all they need is a dog and a good alarm system. Nobody will ever try to break into their home if just have those two things.



Explain that to my seventeen year old daughter who walked into the kitchen of our home because the burglar alarm was blaring and she suspected that the wind had rattled the sliding glass door and all that was happening was a false alarm.

She found an intruder forcing his way through the sliding glass door. She pointed a large caliber revolver at him and he decided to leave. And there was a 60 pound Black Lab in the house.

Fortunately, I had trained her how to handle and shoot the firearm and she had spent many hours with me at the range practicing. She also had nine years of judo training with one of the best judo instructors in the country. The training she had received allowed her to project confidence rather than fear. Had she been quivering in fright, the intruder might have just decided to take the weapon from her.

Chances are that most people will journey through life without any need of a firearm. If you chose to do so, that's fine and I would be the last person to recommend that you buy a firearm for self protection.

Was I afraid when I bought my first handgun. Far from it. There had been reports of a prowler in our neighborhood and since I worked nights, my wife wanted something for protection. I bought a cheap used revolver and my wife and I journeyed to the range and learned how to shoot it. We both discovered we enjoyed the hobby of target shooting, so I bought a .22 caliber target pistol and a much higher quality revolver.

When my daughter was nine years old, we started taking her to the range. She also enjoyed shooting and still does. Quite possibly the hobby saved her life.

Today she has a concealed carry permit and carries. Is she afraid. No. She was raised around firearms and is quite capable of handling one. Fear plays no role in her decision to carry a weapon. Chances are she will never have to use a weapon again to defend herself, but if she ever has to, she is capable and she is armed.


Just to give you a feeling of your chances of having a home invasion:

Home Invasion Facts:

* According to a United States Department of Justice report:
o 38% of assaults & 60% of rapes occur during home invasions.
o 1 of every 5 homes will experience a break-in or home invasion. That's over 2,000,000 homes!
* According to Statistics Canada, there has been an average of 289,200 home invasions annually over the last 5 years.
* Statistically, there are over 8,000 home invasions per day in North America
* According to Statistics U.S.A., there was an average of 3,600,000 home invasions annually between 1994 and 2000

http://bumpkeywarning.com/HomeInvasionStatistics.htm

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Tim01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 09:13 PM
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11. What happened to Tibet and Matthew Shepherd was real. Not just fear.
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walkaway Donating Member (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 08:25 PM
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3. The entire culture of guns and ..
violence sounds horrible.

I have lived in several states and countries. Rural and as metropolitan as NYC. Some great neighborhoods, some not so much. Once almost a mile from my nearest neighbor. I have never owned a gun and I have never needed one.

Sounds like you will always need one where ever you go.

Is that why you imagine someone wants to take your gun away? Your paranoid thoughts plus a gun could mean trouble. Maybe you should talk to a real (non-blog) person about your fears.
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 08:38 PM
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7. You've never needed a gun?
Define need please. Are you saying that you have never been attacked or robbed? How old are you?
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 10:57 PM
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13. Well, I'm 62 and I've lived in NYC and Newark NJ and...
out in the sticks, but I've never been attacked or robbed. Was burgled a time or two, and had a couple of cars stolen, but I'm not sure a gun would have helped there.

I am well aware of my surroundings, but do not live in fear of them. I know a number of people who were killed, a few accidentally, a few suicides, and at least two who made the major miscalculation of challenging the guy with the gun or knife. I also know many people who were robbed and assaulted, and who survived, less a small amount of cash. They all said something along the lines of "OK, you got me, here's the money."





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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 02:20 AM
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16. Yes, always carry some money for the mugger.
But civilian patrols tend to clear that right up. Although I expect to see much more of it now.

People are going to be so desperate.

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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 11:35 PM
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14. I'm 60 and I've never been attacked or robbed.
I've lived in various big cities, including the DC area as a young woman and regularly rode the public busses late at night.

while I don't begrudge anyone the legal right to own guns, the notion that everyone at some point is going to be attacked or robbed just boggles my mind. Doesn't actually happen to everyone. Perhaps you watch a little too much TV.
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 07:40 AM
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17. Theories and stats
Firstly, I'm glad that you have never been attacked. You are probably aware that those who have been a victim of a violent crime are statistically more likely to be a victim in the future than a person who has never been a victim before. So it's also reasonable to guess that if you haven't been the victim of a violent crime by age 60 that you might be in the group that never will be.

Are you a wealthy widow living in the rural Northeast? Apparently they have the lowest victimization rate.
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 07:48 AM
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19. People who watch a lot of TV have a completely
skewed notion of exactly how dangerous the world actually is. They overestimate my several orders of magnitude just how likely anyone is to be murdered, raped, attacked, and so on.

No, I am not a wealthy widow who lives in the rural Northeast. I am a divorced woman who lives alone in Santa Fe on the notorious south side, an area that apparently has the highest crime rate in this city. I feel perfectly safe here. I'm buying a home three blocks from the apartment I've rented for the past year. I'm told there is gang activity in the park next to the apartment. Occasionally I hear sirens. But I also heard them equally often when I lived in Overland Park, Kansas, a remarkably crime-free municipality.

As noted before, I have ridden public busses in the Washington DC area, including coming home from National Airport quite late at night. I had to walk a couple of blocks from the bus stop to my apartment and nothing untoward ever happened. I did of course, pay attention to my surroundings, but NEVER saw anything threatening. The worst was a young male in the public library in Alexandria, VA, who liked to expose himself.

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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 08:11 AM
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21. I really don't appreciate that.
If I read it wrong then I apologize, but it sounds like you are being ever so slightly condescending and I don't think I did that to you or anyone else here.

I have been attacked three times, I didn't watch that on TV. I get my stats and analysis from multiple sources on the internet, not America's Most Wanted. If I got my views from TV, then I would be walking down the street in fear of wealthy New York businessmen, since Law And Order seems to think they commit the most murders.
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 07:52 AM
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29. We have had different experiences in life.
I don't assume no one will ever be attacked, because I know better than that. But to assume that everyone will be attacked at some point isn't realistic. Who knows exactly why one person is attacked and someone else never is? As I've pointed out, I've lived in supposedly less than safe places, including riding public busses late at night. The Clutter family, made famous by In Cold Blood lived in a supposedly very safe rural Kansas. Who knows?
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jeepnstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 08:16 AM
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30. How true...
I was talking to a fellow last night who was considering getting his Concealed Carry permit and was asking some pretty interesting questions. He asked me if I had ever needed my firearm over the twenty some odd years I've been able to carry concealed. It turns out I only needed it a couple of times.

Working at my dad's store to help him get the business back out of the gutter, I took the night shift. I had a guy come in with a knife in hand ranting and raving about some perceived wrong we had done him. He was on drugs and totally out of his mind. A moment of clarity came over him as he realized I had a .45 and was about to shoot. He returned a couple of days later to apologize and clear the air. Now he's in prison for killing someone over a drug deal gone bad.

On another evening, I was working in the back reconciling the books and a kid was working the register. A young guy comes in and starts asking questions like "What would you do if someone came in to rob the place? Do you have lots of money?" He'd never been in the place before and was highly nervous. He walked outside for a few minutes and then returned. By this time I was standing about ten feet from the register with a good lane of fire, my employee was in the back room calling the police. The young guy walked in, saw me standing there openly carrying my .45, and ran. I found a knife that had been dropped in the parking lot.

Lastly. A dear friend was going through an incredibly nasty divorce. His wife had ran off with a fellow who was mentally unstable and was having delusions that my friend was stalking him. "John" started driving by my friend's house and shooting out the windows. The police were aware of the situation but just couldn't catch him. I wound up having to offer my home as a safe house for my friend for a few nights. My friend is a former Marine, a Tom Brown grad, and was powerless to do anything other than hide. He chose to put his trust in me and I took watch while he was able to sleep. "John" wound up being involuntarily admitted to a mental health facility and life returned to normal. You better believe I was armed then, with an NFA item.

Three times in forty years, not counting Law Enforcement duties. These days I almost never take my guns out of the safe unless I'm working.
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 02:19 PM
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31. Smart people use condoms.
Your chances of getting AIDS are quite slim, even if you are a gay man. But smart people use condoms.

Let's say that one in seven people will be the victim of a violent crime in their lifetime. Would you use a condom if you had a one in seven chance of catching AIDS? How about one in fourteen? How slim, but still known, would that chance have to get before you don't use a condom?
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 09:02 PM
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32. Somehow I have a lot of trouble
equating getting AIDS with being robbed or attacked.

In any case, I personally am not comfortable around guns and simply feel no need to have one. If I actually carried one, by the time I could get it out and remember what to do it wouldn't matter anyway, quite unlike the person in response 30 above, who does know what to do, and even at that he says he's actually only needed a gun a couple of times in twenty-some years.

I don't care what others choose in this area. But telling me, or telling anyone that everyone must have a gun is not a sensible
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 02:14 AM
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15. 4 muggings. Two losses, one win, one draw.
I really detest having a gun pointed at me but, being vain, I was much more frightened of the knife.

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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 07:46 AM
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18. I know exactly what you mean.
I really detest having a gun pointed at me but, being vain, I was much more frightened of the knife.

Just reading your post made my skin crawl. I


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jeepnstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 08:21 AM
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22. For good reason...
A knife is one of those weapons that you should fear.

I knew an old WWII Veteran, a Marine Raider, who made it his habit to carry his old K-Bar knife with him every day until he died at a ripe old age. He insisted that, at least in his hands, it was ten times more effective than a pistol.

I made his acquaintance one night after a group of kids tried to rob him. One of the kids literally pooped his pants when the encounter turned quite ugly. Note to dumb kids, never try to rob an old man in the midst of a PTSD flashback leaving a theater showing "Saving Private Ryan".


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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 11:42 AM
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24. You made quite a jump to that conclusion...
Edited on Tue Apr-07-09 11:47 AM by SteveM
"sounds like you will always need one where ever you go."

Leaving aside the "need" question, most gun-owners do not (and cannot legally) "need one where ever go." That would at a minimum require a concealed-carry permit, something only a few % points of gun-owners have. Mute testimony to how many gun-owners "need" a gun "where ever."

"Is that why you imagine someone wants to take your gun away. Your paranoid thoughts plus a gun could mean trouble. Maybe you should talk to a real (non-blog) person about your fears."

You speculate upon your faulty conclusion, but I'll address it. Since you used the word "someone," you seem to imply that anyone who believes anyone else is going "to take your gun away" is paranoid. In fact there are quite a few folks who want to take away guns.

Here is a quote from Charles Krauthammer, writing in the April 5 Washington Post: "ultimately, a civilized society must disarm its citizenry.. ..he assault weapon ban is a purely symbolic move real justification is not to reduce crime but to desensitize the public to the regulation of weapons in preparation for their ultimate confiscation."

There are many more like this. I don't feel paranoid (fear out of all proportion to the threat) about Krauthammer, but I will keep my arms as long as his kind are around. I use Krauthammer since he is a far-right GOPer.

Please don't disingenuously suggest psychological help when your actual motive is to disparage those you disagree with.
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NewMoonTherian Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 06:39 PM
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28. I understand exactly what you're saying.
You don't feel a need to own a gun, because you don't feel there's a legitimate risk that you'll be attacked and the police will fail to help. This is based on your experiences, and all the bloviating in the world on the part of gunners will only help cement your beliefs, not reverse them.

My experiences have been different. Two members of my family have been attacked violently. My grandfather was attacked and actually shot a man in self-defense. I've been raised, not to live in fear, but to take reasonable steps to prepare for the unexpected. I hold this as a core belief, the way you seem to hold the opposite belief.

Is there any common ground here? No one's been able to find it thusfar.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 08:26 PM
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4. Your sister can't protect herself if her gun is registered? Get a grip.
Your whiny, puling argument is all over the place. You know damn well registration is not the issue. The issue is that if they have your name, they can come for you. Like the government doesn't have your name already. GET A GRIP.

You aren't worried about insane killers driving out to that farm. You are worried about sane men in suits driving out and taking away the gun. Your contention is they can't take it if they don't know it's there.

To you and the other hysterics I say, a Molotov cocktail can be conveniently homemade. But if you're at that point, guns are the least of your problems.

YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO SHOOT YOUR COPS, NOT THE CRAZED KILLERS, YOUR COPS. WTF do you think you're kidding?
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pegdraggin Donating Member (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 08:32 PM
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5. There are 2 kinds of people in the world
Those that have experienced violence, and those that have yet to.

The argument that guns aren't needed because "I" haven't been a victim yet are ludicrous. If your world is so sheltered that you haven't been exposed to voilence yet... turn on the news. Just because it hasn't happened to you doesn't mean it isn' happening to others. Just because it hasn't happened to you doesn't mean it won't.

Why don't one of you pacifists tell me - honestly - what you imagine your response would be if you were shot during a mugging? Or raped at gunpoint.
Do you think your feelings would change then?
I don't expect an honest answer. That would mean losing your argument. But more than likely, in your lifetime, at least one of you will have the opportunity to find out for real.
Make sure & post back.
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katandmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 09:12 PM
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10. That's crap. My father was held up - tied up and held at gunpoint. He had nightmares for the rest of
his life about it.

And he remained adamantly opposed to guns and refused to own one.
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jmg257 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 08:30 AM
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23. Was he well endowed?
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doctor jazz Donating Member (474 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 12:04 PM
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25. Yes, the moral superiority of a victim is so much greater than someone holding a smoking gun
over the dead body of a rapist.
:eyes:
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 01:32 PM
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26. Go back to the part where I mention the 4 muggings, honeylamb.
I'm really impressed by your talking points blathering.

One day I was riding home on the subway reading over someone's shoulder about one block in New York that had more rapes than any other in the city. It was my block. Know what that article did? We held a street fair and raised money to put buzzer systems into the buildings that didn't have one, and started a civilian patrol. Bye bye rapes and muggings. No guns.

Rugged individualism is just dandy on the deserted prairie or the lonely mountaintop, but humans have survived because of social organization, not every man for himself.
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 05:04 PM
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27. I wonder about the guys that jumped me.
It's an aspect of this discussion which is unknown, and can't be known by the nature of the circumstances.

The guys that jumped my on my way home from work, got away with it. I have no idea who they are. I have no idea if they eventually killed someone or put someone in a wheelchair or custodial care for the rest of his or her life. I have no idea if their success at jumping me empowered them to go rape someone. All I really know is that if I had shot and killed just one of them, that would be one less criminal on the street. Had I been able to shoot all of them, they would never again assume that the victim was unarmed.

Poverty does not explain their crime. They took no money. They did it for fun, and because they were pretty certain that I wasn't armed. That's really what I want to change. I want criminals to be afraid of law abiding people.

Maybe they moved to St Petersburg:

ST. PETERSBURG — The convenience store was eerily quiet. It was only 30 minutes until closing, so Tien Tran suggested to his boss that they lock up early.

Thanh Hoang agreed. Six minutes later, three men with bandanas covering their faces walked in, laughing.

"This is a robbery," they said.

Hoang, 43, was standing by the front door of Joy Food Mart in Gulfport. He told them to stop joking.

That's when one of the masked men shot him.

Hoang's three boys — ages 8, 10 and 11 — were behind the counter with Tran. As their injured father fell, they didn't speak. They just stood in stunned silence as the robbers turned their attention to the cash drawer.

As Tran frantically scooped the money out of the register, all he could think about was protecting the boys, the ones who referred to him affectionately as uncle.

Tran handed over all the cash, he said. They shot him anyway.

The 25-year-old clerk recalled the brazen Dec. 22 robbery from his hospital bed on Sunday, where he is still recovering from a gunshot wound in his chest.

The day began well, he said. He had taken the boys to the St. Petersburg College campus library while their father worked.

They read books, played on the computer and hung out, as they often do. Tran is president of the youth group at the Vietnamese Mission Catholic Church in Largo, where both families attend.

Tran is like an uncle to the boys, taking them to movies and places like Celebration Station. The boys often begged to accompany their father to work because they liked hanging out with Tran.

When they arrived at the store about 2:30 p.m. for Tran's shift, the boys occupied their time as they normally did: cleaning, dusting, straightening shelves and reading Harry Potter or Goosebumps books.

Tran was aware of a string of violent convenience store robberies in St. Petersburg earlier this month, but he never feared for his safety at the store on 49th Street S in Gulfport. He has worked there on and off for the past four years.

"The neighborhood looks pretty bad," Tran said. "But we've gotten to know the people, and they're all really friendly."

When the masked men walked in, almost jovial, Tran, too, thought it was a joke.

Until one of them shot Hoang in the arm.

Tran described what happened next, outside of the surveillance camera's view, which captured the black and white images he would later see replayed on television.

The video shows a wounded Hoang falling against the swinging front door and landing outside.

What can't be seen, Tran said, is Hoang getting up and running into the street, looking for help.

He found none. "The streets were empty," Tran said.

Now alone in the store with the boys, Tran tried to stay calm.

The boys were shaking, but had done just as he had asked and crouched behind him.

The gunmen demanded money and Tran obliged, trying to keep his hands steady as he grabbed the cash — about $300.

"The other guy just came over and popped the gun," Tran said.

After he was shot, Tran fell back and his head landed on a shelf. His body was in an inclined position, allowing him to see the men run out the door.

"I remember my body couldn't move, but my mind was real clear," he said. "I wanted to die."

In the video, the youngest boy can be seen crawling over Tran's body to activate the silent alarm. The button fascinated the 8-year-old boy. His father had explained its purpose several times, to underscore the importance of not pushing it unless there was an emergency.

Moments later, Hoang returned to the store, injured. Tran told the 11-year-old to call 911.

"I was so afraid the robbers were going to come back and finish off everybody," he said.

The three robbers have not been caught. Gulfport detectives are working with other agencies to see if the latest robbery is connected with any of the others in the Tampa Bay area recently.

Investigators are hoping to match fingerprints left at the scene to a suspect, said Gulfport police Lt. Robert Vincent. If they don't get a match, they also will examine DNA from the prints, he said.

"We've gotten a few tips, but nothing that is an instant case-closer," Vincent said.

Hoang was released from the hospital after a couple of days. Tran is unsure when he will be discharged.

The boys have visited him several times. They ask their uncle about the shooting, but he always changes the subject.

"I'm surprised, they seem pretty normal," he said. "But I don't like to talk about it with them because I do not want to traumatize them any more. I just want to talk to them about happy things."

Dong-Phuong Nguyen can be reached at (813) 909-4613 or nguyen@sptimes.com.



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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 08:35 PM
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6. Oh please. A gun is not a defense against the government.
The government can come for me any time they want and there isn't a damned thing I can do about it. Mind, I should think they would make better use of their time.

Were you being sarcastic?
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 08:49 PM
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8. Yeah it worked for the British.
Those stupid colonialists with their guns. Don't they know the British Empire is the worlds only superpower.

Farmers & Guns vs Superpower......

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angrycarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 09:26 PM
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12. I lived in coastal florida until last year.
And I have evacuated a couple of times. I threw my gun and other small valuables in the car and headed out, I felt that if anything got destroyed that it was not worth my life. No inanimate thing is worth killing or dying for as far as I am concerned.

The form you sign is a formal admission that you are taking responsibility for your decisions. A gun registration is also taking responsibility for your gun ownership. Knowing the danger of where you choose to live is also personal responsibility. There is no such thing as perfect safety. Thinking that any amount of firepower can achieve perfect safety is a delusion and fear is merely a state of mind. A gun to protect you from criminals is fine and good but too many use guns to protect themselves from being overwhelmed by their own fear. The question is, what is your gun for? Is it a tool for defense or a security blanket?
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jeepnstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 08:05 AM
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20. Of course it's a tool.
Once someone teaches you how to use one it's really an effective one in the right situations.

Here's a bit of advice for folks considering arming themselves for self defense. Watch a lot of TV, especially "24", and then never do anything you see them doing. That's a great place to start. Then find someone who can teach you how to use a firearm defensively. Taking all those classes on doing dynamic entries and shooting competitions is fun but it has very little to do with actual self-defense. It's all about living to tell the tale and that means checking the old ego at the door.

I know guys with ammo forts and dozens of AR15's. If their worst talk radio nightmare came true, how are they going to carry all that stuff? They're not. The best they could hope to carry with them would be a carbine and a couple hundred rounds of ammo. So I guess they're going to leave all the other stuff to the looters? That plan has an obvious flaw.



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