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-..__... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 08:20 AM
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Get over it -- an "assault weapons" ban isn't going to happen anytime soon.
Now or later... there will be consequences come election time.


Obama Gets Gun-Shy

Despite a recent spate of killings, the president and fellow Democrats choose not to wage war on assault weapons.


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In the past, national political leaders might have raised troubling questions about how such an unstable character could obtain easy access to high-powered weapons. They might have been even more motivated given that Poplawski's cop-killing spree was part of a near epidemic of mass homicides that have left 58 people dead over the past month. Or given that Mexico's insanely violent drug cartels are arming themselves with high-powered assault weapons purchased at U.S. gun stores and later smuggled south of the border. Yet many past champions of stricter gun-control measures are silent. These include top Obama White House officials who have squelched any talk within the administration about pushing further gun-control measures."It's weird," says Peter Hamm, the communications director for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. "When you see people like Eric Holder or Hillary Clinton or Rahm Emanuel become muted on this issue, you feel like you want to call up a friend and say, 'What's up?' "



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But Obama and top White House aides have all but abandoned the issue. Emanuel helped orchestrate passage of the original assault-weapons ban when he worked in the Clinton White House. Now he and other White House strategists have decided they can't afford to tangle with the National Rifle Association at a time when they're pushing other priorities, like economic renewal and health-care reform, say congressional officials who have raised the matter. (According to his office, Emanuel couldn't be reached for comment because he was observing the Passover holiday.) A White House official, who asked not to be identified discussing internal strategy, says, "There isn't support in Congress for such a ban at this time." Ben LaBolt, a White House spokesman, says, "The president supports the Second Amendment, respects the tradition of gun ownership in this country, and he believes we can take common-sense steps to keep our streets safe," pointing to $2 billion in new funding for state and local law enforcement in the stimulus package.

Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, a New York Democrat, is one of those who are impatient with their party's silence. She has reason to be: a gunman firing randomly on a Long Island commuter train on Dec. 7, 1993, killed her husband, Dennis, and severely injured her son, Kevin. But when she pressed Obama transition officials to take up the issue, they were clear about their priorities: "They told me that's not for now, that's for later."



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The new Democratic squishiness on guns is all about politics. Democratic leaders like House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer are determined to protect the seats of "blue dogs" from rural districts who are essential to preserving the party's majority in the House. "The Democratic Party understands this is a losing issue … It's a dead loser," says Democratic Rep. Dan Boren, of Muskogee, Okla. "Its one of the reasons they lost the Congress in 1994 and Al Gore was not elected president in 2000."


http://www.newsweek.com/id/193589/page/1



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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 08:22 AM
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1. Good, now we can get our focus back on gay rights and abortion.
Edited on Sun Apr-12-09 08:22 AM by ThomWV
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 10:02 AM
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13. Or at least gay rights.
Abortion as an issue should be long gone and dealt with, right next to gun control. Can't keep re-fighting the same battles.
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Dennis Donovan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 08:22 AM
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2. Any thread that starts with "get over it..." doesn't deserve consideration...
...sorry.:thumbsdown:
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 11:12 AM
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17. Yet you not only answer but attach a pic. . . LOL
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Dennis Donovan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 01:00 PM
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20. That's my signature, Einstein...
:eyes:
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 01:38 PM
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21. And posts again. Will there be another. . . . . .
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 03:24 PM
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27. Told you
it was big enough to be confusing. Confused me and I recognized them. BTW, what happened to my pups? :shrug: ;(

I also support the AWB, but got "piled on" the last time I posted in this forum, so I avoid the topic, and pretty much the rest of DU. I'm not used to being "piled on" here. And I miss Meneken & Jackie. ;(
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 08:37 AM
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31. Yet you clicked on it and made a comment
Fascinating.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 08:22 AM
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3. Dios Mio......

:eyes: :popcorn:


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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 08:37 AM
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4. it could, then you will have to get 'used to it'
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-..__... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 09:08 AM
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9. I choose to remain optimistic.
However, if an AWB does happen, and as a result there's a shift in whom controls Congress, we'll all have to get used to it.
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Giuseppe Mazzini Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 12:56 PM
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19. Exactly
That's the problem us Liberals always get in power and then for some reason begin doing thing that not only alienate most of Americans, but most of our own party, like an assault weapon ban. This whole assault weapon thing is only coming from a few special interest pressure groups. Progressives must move beyond that sort of thing!
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 08:38 AM
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5. There's no getting over it.
Principles are what you practice.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 08:57 AM
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6. Thugs - and proud of it...n/t
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doctor jazz Donating Member (474 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 09:02 AM
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8. Thugs? Who?
:eyes:
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 09:00 AM
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7. Glad to see the Second Amendment is intact and I don't own a gun.
The Founding Fathers were one hell of a lot smarter than we will ever be; Amendments were done for very good reasons.
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-..__... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 09:10 AM
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10. The Founding Fathers were the "thugs" of their era.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 09:16 AM
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11. Respectfully,the 'thugs' came' from across 'the pond'.
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Giuseppe Mazzini Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 12:49 PM
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18. I also don't own a gun.
I don't see how an assault weapons ban has anything to do with Liberal or Progressive politics. If anything we should be supports of the right for citizens to be armed against the State.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 10:01 AM
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12. "The new Democratic squishiness on guns is all about politics"
How about... rights? How about... practical condiderations?



How abou by the time these proposed laws take effect, the "flash-in-the-pan" events that are happening will be years in the past?





How about most of the weapons used were not "assault weapons" under the original federal definition?
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 10:04 AM
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14. Or maybe.... that is what they want you to think.
If I were you, I would barricade myself in your house and keep an eye on all your guns to make sure no one sneaks in while you are gone and takes them. When the time is safe we will call you to come back out.

Good luck and godspeed, you eternal patriot of the constitution.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 10:23 AM
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15. Why?
Why are some people so paranoid and delusional that they think guns are the answer of choice to so many of their fantasized problems? If you feel you need high fire power for protection, maybe you should get counseling. Really, Dirty Harry is just a movie. Real life situations seldom goes as pre-fantasized, especially when other people are randomly around any and everywhere.

If we didn't have so many gun nutz, we would not have so many easily accessible guns and by default, as many gun related deaths.

Here's an idea, instead of concentrating on regulating the killing machines, we should be working on the gun nutz. After all, as they say, "Guns don't kill people, people do".

Less gun nutz, less guns, less gun deaths. It is that simple.

The 2nd Amendment ties guns to membership in a militia. That word "Militia" IS in the Constitution's 2nd Amendment, IN the SAME sentence as and IS mentioned BEFORE the phase "...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms...".

So stop misinterpreting the Constitution already!
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Tejas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 02:06 PM
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24. Huh?
Are you saying the SCOTUS got Heller wrong?
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rrneck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 02:18 PM
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25. Stop misrepresenting gun owners. nt
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yay Donating Member (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 02:25 PM
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26. What is a "gun nutz"?
What classifies someone as a "gun nutz"?
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 04:23 PM
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28. Can you answer three simple questions?
how many firearm owners do you personally know? How many "gun nutz" do you know? Define what makes a "gun nutz".

I often read statements such as yours where people make broad assumptions about gun owners. In my experience, having known many gun enthusiasts, I can only remember one who bought a firearm out of fear. He had good reason to be afraid. I have known many people who bought a firearm as an insurance policy. I don't believe they were paranoid or delusional by any means. They never indicated that they were in fear of a home break-in or violent encounter.

Some people are proactive. Rather than believe that statistics would save them from a bad situation, they chose to be prepared.

I have never been in a truly serious car accident in 47 years. During that period of time, I've always wore a seat belt and practiced defensive driving. Am I paranoid or delusional? I have a fire extinguisher ten feet from where I'm sitting. I have two NOAA weather radios in the house. I'm I terrified of a fire or a tornado? No. But just in case, I want to have the means to respond.

Most of the shooters I've known through the years, owned firearms not for fear of attack but for the enjoyment of the sport of shooting. True, they might have had a loaded weapon at home for self defense or even a concealed carry permit. They never expressed any obsession with the need to protect themselves.

But to be fair, my experiences might be skewed as I have known shooters who have shown up at the range on a regular basis. However, these people might well fall into your definition of "gun nutz" as most had extensive firearm collections including many high powered weapons.

I have also known others who owned firearms but never shot them or rarely went to the range. Again, they didn't strike me as paranoid or delusional. They were just regular people who happened to own a firearm or two.





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rl6214 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 04:57 PM
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32. How bout we get rid of the NO-NUTZ gun grabbers
We should be about preserving our constitutional rights, not taking them away. You no-nutz gun grabbers have no place in the party.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 11:02 AM
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16. Ah yes, the ever popular "get over it". What a great way to make friends and influence people.
If the point is to have an OP read it might be best to leave that phrase out of the title.
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Tejas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 02:01 PM
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22. Would "I TOLD YOU SO" be better?
:rofl:
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 06:44 PM
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29. No. Smug "I told you so" people who need to point out how right they are
are irritating also. They rank right up there with hemorrhoids for being a pain in the ass, or just an ass.
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Tejas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 07:26 PM
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30. Appears you haven't seen many of the OP's made by antis - n/t
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Tejas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-12-09 02:04 PM
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23. I wonder if the husband of Rep. Carolyn McCarthy
"Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, a New York Democrat, is one of those who are impatient with their party's silence. She has reason to be: a gunman firing randomly on a Long Island commuter train on Dec. 7, 1993, killed her husband, Dennis, and severely injured her son, Kevin."




had been killed by a drunk driver would she have taken up the task of banning booze?


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