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Pullo (367 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 06:26 PM Original message |
"It's over," a Democrat strategist admits. "The gun nuts have won...again." |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 06:31 PM Response to Original message |
1. IS there a way to put an entire forum on Ignore? |
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Cirque du So-What (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 06:34 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. I've got a dozen or so names on mine |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 06:39 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. actually, that is not a bad idea |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 06:36 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. I wish. nt |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 06:39 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Please, please, please let me know too! n/t |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 07:19 PM Response to Reply #1 |
16. Anti-RKBA groups want to disarm victims and pro-RKBA groups want to disarm criminals. n/t |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 07:38 PM Response to Reply #16 |
27. yeah right |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-13-09 07:46 AM Response to Reply #27 |
74. Your thumbs down apparently means you favor arming criminals and disarming victims. Either that are |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 08:20 PM Response to Reply #16 |
35. uh, how do "pro-RKBA" groups seriously suggest disarming criminals, Jody? |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 11:33 PM Response to Reply #35 |
53. By taking their guns away when they are caught with them. How else? |
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Caliman73 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-13-09 02:56 AM Response to Reply #35 |
68. I'm not jody but I have some suggestions |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-13-09 12:23 PM Response to Reply #68 |
84. On top of everything you suggest, I'd add a ban on military-style weapons in civil society |
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Caliman73 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-13-09 01:31 PM Response to Reply #84 |
89. The problem with your logic is that military "style" firearms |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-13-09 07:42 AM Response to Reply #35 |
73. I speak for myself, enforce existing laws and make sentences mandatory for using firearms when |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-13-09 12:20 PM Response to Reply #73 |
83. What does "enforce existing laws" mean, specifically, as far as disarming criminals? |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-13-09 12:53 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. At the federal level "enforce existing laws" means simply: |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-13-09 01:08 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. jody, you like to link, but just tell me how you will take guns out of the hands of criminals |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-13-09 01:24 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. Not Jody, but.. |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-13-09 01:32 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. Okay, harsher sentences *after the fact*, but what about before the fact? |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-13-09 02:36 PM Response to Reply #90 |
93. Before the fact, NICS does need better coverage. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-13-09 01:39 PM Response to Reply #87 |
91. If they are criminals and haven't had RKBA restored, they can not legally possess arms. |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-13-09 01:47 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. What I'm saying is, pro-RKBA groups aren't interested, really, in preventing criminals from getting |
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Pullo (367 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-13-09 02:44 PM Response to Reply #92 |
95. How about locking up felons who *fail* an NICS??? |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-13-09 04:46 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. you want to tighten up some Brady loopholes? Sure...! |
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Caliman73 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-13-09 05:37 PM Response to Reply #92 |
97. villager |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-14-09 02:58 PM Response to Reply #73 |
100. too bad the victims are already dead when they are serving their sentences |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 08:00 PM Response to Reply #1 |
32. Yes don't click on it and read the posts. |
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Tejas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 08:22 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. or post 6 times in it either LOL! |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 08:23 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Bitch about it and then kick it 6 times, good plan. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 06:32 PM Response to Original message |
2. (shrug) As long as it's their kids getting killed, and not mine - I guess that's all to be expected |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 07:00 PM Response to Reply #2 |
11. You must be stranger than gun owners... |
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dashrif (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 10:43 PM Response to Reply #2 |
51. Don't |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 06:41 PM Response to Original message |
7. It doesn't have to be over... |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 06:43 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. you've nailed the problem right there, spin |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 06:46 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Just like two football teams in the Super Bowl... |
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Pullo (367 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 07:41 PM Response to Reply #10 |
29. Both the Brady Bunch and the NRA are more interested in fighting than winning |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 09:12 PM Response to Reply #29 |
44. Of course they are- the first duty of any organization is self-preservation |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 07:03 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Labeling the gun control faction as "anti-gun" is very misleading |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 07:23 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. All too often the label is justified... |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 07:29 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Case in point.... |
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Duke Newcombe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 07:24 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. And labeling pro-RKBA folks as "gun nuts" is so much more helpful? n/t |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 07:28 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. I'm referring to the extremes |
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pscot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 07:30 PM Response to Reply #8 |
22. But in the end, it seems like |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 07:32 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. oh, it will always be more guns |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 08:53 PM Response to Reply #22 |
40. There isn't a federal waiting period. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 08:57 PM Response to Reply #22 |
41. You might like to know.. |
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NewMoonTherian (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-13-09 11:54 AM Response to Reply #41 |
81. Nationsl Firearms Act |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-13-09 07:33 AM Response to Reply #22 |
71. And why not? |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-13-09 11:12 AM Response to Reply #22 |
80. And how exactly is this a bad thing? |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 11:39 PM Response to Reply #8 |
55. I agree with you |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-13-09 07:23 AM Response to Reply #7 |
70. No can do, Spin. |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-13-09 06:52 PM Response to Reply #70 |
98. You know, I have to agree... |
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Arctic Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 06:45 PM Response to Original message |
9. I wasn't aware this was even an issue for O. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 07:17 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. Obama supports renewing the AWB. n/t |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 07:07 PM Response to Original message |
13. So the idiots who are stockpiling guns and ammo at top prices.... |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 07:34 PM Response to Reply #13 |
25. Define "arsenal" |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 09:14 PM Response to Reply #25 |
45. Doesn't matter how I define it. |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 09:30 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. I know of no laws in Florida that prohibit how many legal firearms... |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 11:46 PM Response to Reply #45 |
57. Dosen't matter how they define it |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 11:44 PM Response to Reply #13 |
56. Gun and ammo values |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-13-09 09:50 AM Response to Reply #13 |
77. They're not idiots, they just didn't plan ahead |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 07:16 PM Response to Original message |
14. It's not over until Obama says "I will veto any bill that renews the AWB". n/t |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 07:53 PM Response to Reply #14 |
31. That's it? He just has to say.. |
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Tejas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 08:18 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. apples and oranges |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 08:32 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. Jeepers creepers... |
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Tejas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 09:10 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. My reps do vote in my interest, |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 10:30 PM Response to Reply #43 |
50. I live in Massachusetts... |
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Caliman73 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-13-09 03:47 AM Response to Reply #50 |
69. I live in California |
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Tejas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-13-09 06:52 PM Response to Reply #50 |
99. "no effort being made to ban them" - did you read my post? |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-13-09 07:36 AM Response to Reply #31 |
72. The issue is what Obama's administration and the gun-grabbers in congress might attempt. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 07:29 PM Response to Original message |
21. I would call it a virtual stalemate on Federal gun bans. |
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blueclown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 07:32 PM Response to Original message |
24. "The gun nuts have won...again." |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 07:37 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Why not give up on banning weapons... |
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dairydog91 (520 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-13-09 10:58 AM Response to Reply #26 |
79. "Feel good" laws feel good. nt |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 07:38 PM Response to Original message |
28. It's a good day when Civil Rights win. |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 07:50 PM Response to Original message |
30. that's too bad. nt |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 08:11 PM Response to Original message |
33. Good. I suppose they'd have preferred a repeat of the 1994 debacle instead? (n/t) |
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yay (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 08:31 PM Response to Original message |
38. Good, now maybe... |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 09:03 PM Response to Original message |
42. I keep hitting the WH website.. |
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yay (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 09:24 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. Someone on arfcom said |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 10:07 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. I don't like the political brinksmanship |
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virginia mountainman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 09:29 PM Response to Original message |
47. Great Post!! K&R |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 11:24 PM Response to Original message |
52. *sigh* |
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virginia mountainman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-13-09 12:24 AM Response to Reply #52 |
58. Who says that?! |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-13-09 12:45 AM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Define "sensible" |
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yay (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-13-09 01:10 AM Response to Reply #59 |
60. I dissagree on one. |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-13-09 01:34 AM Response to Reply #60 |
64. I chuckled too |
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yay (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-13-09 01:48 AM Response to Reply #64 |
66. Target shooting isn't a realistic use? |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-13-09 02:17 AM Response to Reply #66 |
67. OK, you convinced me |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-13-09 08:31 AM Response to Reply #67 |
75. When you get a Title II (class III) weapon.. |
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yay (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-13-09 12:18 PM Response to Reply #75 |
82. If they were legalized |
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virginia mountainman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-13-09 01:10 AM Response to Reply #59 |
61. alrighty...... |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-13-09 01:30 AM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Hmmm |
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yay (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-13-09 01:38 AM Response to Reply #61 |
65. minor detail |
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dashrif (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-13-09 10:30 AM Response to Reply #59 |
78. Dogs |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-13-09 12:41 PM Response to Reply #78 |
85. Two different things |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 11:34 PM Response to Original message |
54. I would say there is a mandate |
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virginia mountainman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-13-09 01:13 AM Response to Reply #54 |
62. How much clearer can the American Public be on this issue??? |
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Pullo (367 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-13-09 09:29 AM Response to Reply #62 |
76. That's Caroline "Barrel Shroud" McCarthy |
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Iktomiwicasa (942 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-13-09 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
94. Yay... |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-14-09 02:59 PM Response to Original message |
101. WOOT! nt |
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