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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 07:19 PM
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PA Gov Rendell Expected to call for AWB
Speaking out for the first time since the shooting deaths of three Pittsburgh police officers, Pennsylvania Governor Ed Rendell told reporters, "Our police all over the state are simply outgunned.'

The governor says Pennsylvania and the nation must heed the lessons learned from the tragic deaths of Officers Paul Sciullo II, Stephen Mayhle and Eric Kelly.

"The criminals have too many weapons of high power of semi-automatic nature," Gov. Rendell added. "They have clips that can fire 30, 100 bullets at one time..."

The governor says Pennsylvania and the nation must heed the lessons learned from the tragic deaths of Officers Paul Sciullo II, Stephen Mayhle and Eric Kelly.

"The criminals have too many weapons of high power of semi-automatic nature," Gov. Rendell added. "They have clips that can fire 30, 100 bullets at one time..."

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Rendell says cities like Pittsburgh and Philadelphia should be free to institute tougher controls on cop-killing firearms and semi-automatic bullet clips

http://kdka.com/local/Governor.Ed.Rendell.2.984771.html

In PA I don't think Rendell has a snowball's chance except that he will whip up the gun owners.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 07:24 PM
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1. Sounds like he's confused between semiautomatic and fully automatic
From the linked article:

..."Assault weapons were not made to hunt," Rendell added. "No one goes out and shoots a deer with an AK-47 or an M-16. No one does. No one...."
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 08:02 PM
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3. Intentional, or incompetent?
Conflation of semi-automatic 'assault weapons' and full automatics isn't new, but you'd think that someone in his admin would have mentioned it to him earlier.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 09:17 AM
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16. I think Ed is intentionally propagating a lie
He certainly SHOULD know better, and because of his high office I hold him strictly accountable for the meaning of the words he uses.
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rl6214 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 07:30 PM
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2. Brilliant
"In Harrisburg tomorrow, Rendell is expected to call for the reinstatement of the federal ban on the sale of AK-47s and other automatic firearms"
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 08:09 PM
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4. Except that the 1994 Feinstein law did no such thing.
Rendell is pretty much waving a big sign that says "I don't know WTF I'm talking about." Somebody gets his gun knowledge from watching CSI reruns (or from misunderstanding Brady Campaign press releases).

Importation or manufacture of military AK-47's for the U.S. civilian market was banned in 1986 by the Hughes Amendment to the McClure-Volkmer Act, after having been subject to the Title 2/Class III restrictions of the National Firearms Act ever since they were invented. I have read there are fewer than 200 lawfully in non-government hands in the United States.

New civilian AK lookalikes (non-automatic) were NOT banned by the Feinstein law; those manufactured after 9/1994 just had to have smooth muzzles, a smooth-bottomed gas block, and a fixed stock. Mine is a 2002 model.

Somebody should tell him that the police officers around him are all wearing "weapons of semiautomatic nature" on their hips. I wonder if he knows that the police also drive "cars of internal combustion nature" and wear "shoes of hydrocarbon thermopolymer nature."
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rl6214 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 04:43 PM
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18. This is exactly right.
"Rendell is pretty much waving a big sign that says "I don't know WTF I'm talking about."
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 08:12 PM
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5. When I see AWB, I always first think of the rock group
"Average White Band." They've been off the charts for years, but still...
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bossy22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 08:44 PM
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6. well atleast its got little shot of going anywhere in PA
preemption is going nowhere

I don't think Rendell realizes that there is a section in the PA constitution which garuntees the right to bear arms all across the state...not just in areas outside philly and pittsburgh

to steal a quote from the Ortiz decision (the PA preemption case)

"The constitution
does not provide that the right to bear arms shall not be
questioned in any part of the commonwealth, except Philadelphia and
Pittsburgh, where it may be abridged at will, but that it shall not
be questioned in any part of the commonwealth"

i guess rendell hasnt read this part
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 09:01 PM
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7. Nice RKBA amendment and nice clear decision in Ortiz v Commonwealth
The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned.

Wow. I only wish the 2nd in Constitution was written as clearly.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 09:19 PM
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8. What an ignorant dumbass.
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OrdinaryGuy84 Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 09:22 PM
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9. He does not seem to be well informed about guns. n/t
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virginia mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 01:01 AM
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10. WOW, someone has been studing "Guns" at;
Edited on Wed Apr-15-09 01:08 AM by virginia mountainman
The "Caroline McCarthy" school of dumassery.

I wonder, what will happen next, since PA, is the state with the largest number of NRA Members in it....LOL!!
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yay Donating Member (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 01:18 AM
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11. Should deffinetly be interesting
Edited on Wed Apr-15-09 01:19 AM by yay
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 01:27 AM
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12. Realisticly, the Constitution of the Commonwealth of PA prevents him
from doing that. He know that - he has tried to get around the law before in Philly in concert with the new Mayor, Mr. Nutter, who enacted several new "gun control" laws that were declared illegal. The Philadelphia D A refused to enforce Mike Nutter's gun laws because she found them to be against State law.

Rendell is looking for cheap publicity.


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yay Donating Member (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 01:30 AM
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13. Is looking like a dumbfuck really the kind of press he wants?
I honestly think he's serious. Maybe he thinks in light of the recent shootings he can get some sympathy.

Either way it's gonna backfire hard.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 07:04 AM
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14. They did seriously try this in Philly - they instituted 3 "gun control"
laws, only one of which is still on the books because the others were illegal. The "lost gun" reporting law, which imposes fines/prison sentences for failure to report a lost or stolen gun is still there, but never has been enforced as far as I know.

I am sure Rendell knows this - he wants to look like the anti's champion
and blame the outcome on the "gun lobby" in the state legislature - he does this all the time.

Note that Fast Eddy Rendell wanted a national post in the Obama administration, is now frustrated because he didn't get one.
He wants desparately to continus in some position or other - even wanted to be President at one point.


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DonP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 08:52 AM
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15. Rendell = Latest Test Balloon
I'm not a big tinfoil kind of guy but ...

All Rendell is doing is the same thing HRC and the AG did a couple of weeks ago.

It sounds a lot like another test balloon to gauge whether the country has shifted its POV on the issue.

First the AG dropped it into a speech and they got fast and big push back. Then a few weeks later HRC used the Mexican drug cartels and that phony story about buying machine guns in Texas and they got the same, or a higher level of push back.

I'm starting to think we're going to get this from a series of people, all outside the White House so they have deniability, every few weeks or after any high profile event.

Oh, I also agree either Rendell is woefully misinformed by his staff, or he's a total tool for Brady. Not a good thing is a state with a large hunting population.
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Will E Orwontee Donating Member (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 03:33 PM
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17. Test Balloon for sure!
"It sounds a lot like another test balloon to gauge whether the country has shifted its POV on the issue."


Not so much the citizenry's POV but the state supreme court's. There was a groundshift to the left on the court from the last election (yes, PA elects its judges) and if these laws can get enacted and challenged and reach the state supreme court the hope is that Ortiz will be swept away . . .

Remove the constitutional barrier and preemption doctrine affirmed by Ortiz and PA becomes a free-for-all and cities can do whatever they want.
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