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virginia mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 04:00 AM
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Man defends home and family with a 12 gauge......
Edited on Wed Apr-15-09 04:01 AM by virginia mountainman
No charges will be filed....This has been all over my local news...Video available.

http://www.wdbj7.com/Global/story.asp?S=10180076

The 911 call reveals the moments leading up to the shooting.

The homeowner will not be charged in the death.

Both the Sheriff and the Commonwealth's Attorney say Jody Hoover was justified and trying to protect his family when he shot Jerry Lee Jones, Junior.

There were two 911 calls, totaling more than 13-minutes.

From the moments right after Jerry Lee Jones, Jr. showed up at the Troutville home to right after he was shot.


13 Minutes, and the Police where STILL not on the scene........ When Seconds count...The cops are several minutes, to HOURS away. Not their fault, they cannot be everywhere at once, only a fool would think otherwise...

Jody Hoover called 911 and then handed the phone off to his wife, he went to get his shotgun.

Throughout the tape, he's heard talking to the man outside.

Background Jody Hoover: "I don't want to hurt you, okay?"

Dispatch: "Is he talking to your husband rationally?"

Mrs. Hoover: "No, he is not."

The man outside- Jerry Lee Jones, Jr. - was angry.

His shouting is heard, but not clearly, on the 911 call.

Hoover is heard repeatedly trying to defuse the situation.

Jody Hoover: Please, just go away.

(YELLING IN BACKGROUND)

Dispatch: "Is he talking to your husband?"

Mrs. Hoover: "He's beating on the door. I can even see the glass is going to break."

Jody Hoover: "Just go away..."

About a minute later the situation gets worse.

Mrs. Hoover: "He's counting. OH MY GOD. He's getting ready to come in."

(CRASH)

(YELLING)

(SHOTS)


Some people cannot be reasoned with, this individual could not be reasoned with, at least not without two shotgun blasts... Those of you that complain about "high powered" Assault weapons, take note, a common hunting shotgun was used.....and after the two shotgun blasts, it took them two days to id the perp' with his fingerprints......

The Audio of the 911 call is chilling........

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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 04:07 AM
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1. Too, too sad. but I would do the same.
A similar case was in Denver this year. A twenty something year old was drunk and dropped off by a taxi at the wrong address. He was trying to break in to what he thought was his home...shot dead by the frightened homeowner. It broke my heart reading about it.

God/dess help us all.
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virginia mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 04:09 AM
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2. He left that man no other option..
He had his Wife, two sons, and his Wife's mother, Behind him...

He was the last line of defense.
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Th1onein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 04:12 AM
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3. If you can kill someone justifiably, it's better to go ahead and do that.
Yeah, uh huh. Why shoot them in the legs with a shotgun blast, when you can shoot them in the face and chest and actually kill them? Then, you can brag to your friends and neighbors you kilt that man and it took two days to identify him because of what the blasts did to his body.

This story is dripping with testosterone. So sad when something like this is put forward as a reason to support gun rights. Some people just don't get it.
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virginia mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 04:29 AM
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4. Excuse me??? Where YOU their???
Edited on Wed Apr-15-09 04:30 AM by virginia mountainman
It is easy for you to make such a decision, sitting in your easy chair, things get a little more dicey late at night, with a house full of your kids, spouse, and other family members, and a crazed man crashing thru the door.

Did you even bother to listen to the 911 tapes?? If you cared to, you would have a different opinion.

In Virginia, their is NO, Legal basis to "Shoot to wound" If the justification is their to even draw a weapon... It is only to KILL.
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Th1onein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 05:25 AM
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5. The word is "there," not "their." And I think you're confused.
YOU weren't "their" either, were you? And, yeah, I listened to the 911 tape. So?

Simple because there is no legal basis to "Shoot to wound" in Virginia doesn't mean that you can't shoot to wound. It doesn't mean that you HAVE to shoot to kill. You do understand that, don't you?

You do understand that you are making my point for me, don't you?
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virginia mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 05:33 AM
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6. WOW...
I place the life of my family, over the life of someone who has been repeatedly warned away, and who "insists" upon crashing thru my door...

Even the Commonwealths Attorney, agreed that the homeowner was AMAZINGLY restrained...

Evidently your family does not mean that much too you.
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quickesst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 05:52 AM
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7. I would venture a guess....
Edited on Wed Apr-15-09 05:58 AM by quickesst
...that the high morals some are claiming would change at the first sign of danger to their families. As long as it never happens to them, they can continue to claim the high road, which includes the condemnation of those who are actually confronted with this type of situation. Thanks.
quickesst
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Th1onein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 06:59 AM
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8. This has nothing to do with my family, or yours.
This has to do with the post you originally made, that was glorifying the shooting death of the man. It is one thing to say we should have guns to protect ourselves. It is quite another to glorify the death of someone in order to justify the owning of those guns.

Like I said, some people just don't get it.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 07:27 AM
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11. Or shoot and miss.
LEO aim center mass.
Even highly trained soldiers aim center mass.

However in your eyes the burden for common homeowner is HIGHER than LEO or military.

In high stress situations it is proven that hand eye cordination becomes poorer, vision is narrowed, depth perception affected.

Even at close ranges misses are possible WHEN AIMING CENTER MASS.

The shoot them in the leg is Hollywood crap.

Leg is a relatively small target. So he misses and the guy grabs the gun. Is his family better off?

He has no responsibility either under law or morally to take a sub-optimal shot for the attackers benefit.

BTW: Might want to think about what is in the leg....
Second largest artery in the body. Only soldier our battalion lost in Iraq was shot in ..... the leg.
Tore the artery and they couldn't stop the bleeding. He bled out in about 10 minutes.
A shotgun blast.... likely would bleed out in 2 or 3.
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lazer47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 07:18 AM
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10. Your reasoning is just as flawed, as the reasoning to wound with a SHOTGUN.
I really think you are the one who doesn't get it..
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NewMoonTherian Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 02:43 PM
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12. Shooting to wound...
is a bad technique in that a wounded attacker can still be dangerous. If he doesn't appear to have a gun, he may still pull one. Also(and this is based purely on the accounts of others; I have no link and no source to specify), an extraordinarily physically or mentally tough attacker, or one whose mental state has been altered by drugs, can ignore some wounding shots. A destroyed kneecap may stop him, but a less-than-optimal shot may not.
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dairydog91 Donating Member (520 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 03:13 PM
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13. Rules of self-defense stipulates that you shoot for center mass.
I wouldn't even bother trying for a wounding shot unless I had a very accurate weapon, plenty of training, and some room to work with.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 03:14 PM
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14. Your concept of defensive use of force is flawed
Edited on Wed Apr-15-09 03:14 PM by slackmaster
I suggest you take a course on it. It doesn't matter what kind - Firearm, edged weapon, or empty hand. The message you'll get from any good instructor is the same. You use force only when there is no other reasonable option, then apply sufficient force to stop the attack.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 07:07 AM
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9. Self defense is a personal responsibility. When seconds count, police are minutes away. n/t
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