the hypocrisy of Gov Rendell

[bossy22]

http://www.cnbc.com/id/30266124

watch the video and answer this question

if assault weaposn are only designed to kill and to maim large amounts of people, are hard to use, and jam alot, why do many police forces use them?

[X_Digger]

1. He's such a tool

He says that folks use guns mostly to hunt. Only 20% of gun owners hunt.

And then he jumps on the 'surface to air missile' bullshit. False dichotomy, thy name is Rendell.

eta: he repeated the meme about jamming, unreliability. Gee, same principle in military arms, hunting rifles, etc- 100+ year old technology- as if hunters and military would keep the same tech if it were unreliable.

[movonne]

2. Are you a gun nut???? Don't you think we have enough guns on

the streets...I think guns should be regulated like driving a car...

[X_Digger]

3. Thing is, guns ARE regulated like a car..

If you want to carry a gun concealed in public, you need a license.
If you want to drive a car on public roads, you need a license.

I couldn't care less about the actual numbers of guns on the street. I'm more concerned about in whose hands they reside.

[movonne]

4. When there is more guns.. they usually reside in the hands of criminals...

The more guns.. the more people have to buy to protect themselves from the criminals who have them...I'm not against guns but in our society it has really gotten out of hand..

[X_Digger]

5. We agree about removing guns from criminals..

.. but I don't think removing them from the law abiding only as a means of removing them from criminals is the way to go.

[Hoopla Phil]

8. Please site that statement that more guns are usually in the hands of criminals.

I've never seen that proven anywhere.

[one-eyed fat man]

10. "Catch and release" criminal justice

Let's just point out BIG CITY realities. They let "career criminals" walk on gun charges time after time. Then they whine about "ineffective gun laws!"

In just one such case, Pennsylvania prosecutors "Nolle Prossed" (fancy lawyer term for 'let him walk') a career criminal on 13 arrests for "felon in possession of a firearm". If anyone else did something that incompetent, they would be sued for malpractice! As it is the politician responsible just grandstands on TV and calls for a new law they thugs won't obey and the prosecutors won't enforce!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=215995&mesg_id=216153

[FudaFuda]

11. "it has really gotten out of hand." Has it?

The per capita murder rate in the USA is nearly as low right now as it was in 1965. It was nearly twice as high in 1980 as it is now. I'm not trying to say it wouldn't be good to further decrease the murder rate in the USA. But before declaring that it's 'out of hand,' you should consider the fact that the murder rate has been dropping for the last 25 years or so, and right now we're back to levels not seen since Mayberry R.F.D. was on TV.


Also, when you hear 'gun death' statistics, over half of the total number you hear cited were suicides. Now suicide is not a pretty thing, but whether it's done with a gun or not is irrelevant. You might argue 'guns make it easier', but Japan has an incredibly high suicide rate and practically no firearms in civilian hands, so any correlation between guns and suicides is spurious as far as I'm concerned. People will use a gun for suicide if its available because it's fairly definite and causes instant (painless) death, but gun or no gun, suicidal people will kill themselves one way or another.

The gun death statistics you read about also include all police shootings, as well as criminal vs. criminal gang shootings. When you narrow gun deaths down to only innocent victims, the number is still in the thousands per year, but more innocent people are killed by DUI than guns.

[Caliman73]

12. sure you are against guns...at least a little

You are arguing that the number of guns correlates to the amount of crime. There are 300,000,000 guns in about 80,000,000 private hands. If you look at either of those numbers in comparison to the 15,000 people who die from homicide by using firearms, that is an incredibly low correlation. What your statement implies is that guns create or inspire violent crime. What guns do is allow criminals to have a tool with which they can intimidate, injure, or kill victims, but guns also allow potential victims to defend themselves on equal footing. Statistic seem to bear out that the latter happens far more often than the former. You can be focusing on what motivates people to commit crimes rather than focusing on one tool with which they commit crimes.

[spin]

6. You should say "If you want to legally carry a gun concealed...

you need a license."

If the gun grabbers were serious about reducing gun violence they would insist insist that law enforcement go after those illegally carrying firearms and make sure that they receive mandatory sentences rather then plea bargains.

But they waste all their time and effort trying to reinstate the Assault Weapons Ban which was merely a "feel good" law to make the politicians we elect look like they actually cared.

[Hoopla Phil]

7. What is a gun nut? and

I believe that we have far too many criminals in possession of firearms they should not be in possession of. Unfortunately they are in violation of the law in this criminal activity. So what would you propose to stop that situation while at the same time not violating the rights of the law abiding their right to those guns?

[Pullo]

9. Even Moderator Harry Smith said the 90% figure is bunk!

The "90% of all guns recovered in Mexico come from the US" is a LIE!!!

Given how often this nonsense has been repeated in the last two months, it does makes you think about the agenda of those who keep referencing that bogus stat.


And people wonder why guns and ammo are selling at unprecedented rates?