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rabs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 10:03 PM
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Can one of you weapons experts identify this rifle



The guy in the photo is Elod Tóazó, a Hungarian citizen
accused of being one of a terrorist cell that was plotting
to kill the Bolivian president. Tóazó was captured alive in
a shootout nearly two weeks ago in the Bolivian city of
Santa Cruz de la Sierra. Three others were killed in a shootout
with Bolivian Swat police.

Sorry the photo is so large, but don't know how to downsize it.
Assume the rifling on the end of the barrel is for a silencer?
Thanks for any input.


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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 10:07 PM
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1. It's venting for flash supression, IIRC. Not for a silencer.
I could be wrong.

PB
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 08:05 AM
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21. Not flash suppressor; that barrel is ported to act as a muzzle brake
to reduce recoil (at the cost of increased flash and blast). The ports convert some of the high-pressure gas behind the bullet into jets that counteract the rifle's recoil.
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Catch22Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 10:07 PM
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2. That's not for a silencer (n/t)
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dairydog91 Donating Member (520 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 10:07 PM
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3. I'll take a shot, in a manner of speaking...
Edited on Tue Apr-28-09 10:14 PM by dairydog91
Rifle is a generic hunting rifle, not really something I recognize in particular. The thing on the end of the barrel is probably a muzzle brake, which lowers the recoil a bit.

Edit: In my experience, those kinds of scopes aren't particularly great, though their size makes them look uber-leet to the Tommy Tactical crowd.
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rabs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 10:11 PM
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4. Bolviian authorities have said it is a sniper rifle




Seems awfully sophisticated to be a hunting rifle.

Thanks for the swift responses.
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 10:16 PM
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6. Any riffle can technically be
Edited on Tue Apr-28-09 10:22 PM by MUAD_DIB
used as a sniper riffle. Some are better than others and some are worse.
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 10:16 PM
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7. Yup, hunting rifle with a nice scope
Media are wont to call modern styled weapons 'military styled', 'paramilitary', 'assault weapons', 'high-power assault rifle', etc. Traditional bolt action hunting rifles? 'sniper rifles'.. *groan*
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dairydog91 Donating Member (520 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 10:18 PM
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8. A couple points in response.
Edited on Tue Apr-28-09 10:21 PM by dairydog91
1. It has a scope mount (To which a scope is attached) and a flash hider. Fairly generic features on an American-made hunting rifle. The scope may look uber-leet, but IMHO there are much better ones out there. The one pictured doesn't have night-vision or anything like that.

2. Hunting rifles, particularly ones chambered in large .30 or .338 rounds, are usually pretty good out to 600-800 yards. That is, virtually any hunting rifle can be picked up and used as a "sniper rifle", though that requires a skilled shooter. Real military "Sniper rifles", such as they are, are hunting rifles made to be more durable and have extremely high-quality barrels (And other parts). They're a bit more accurate, plus they can take a few more dings. That said, almost any rifle made for a sniper has something resembling a MacMillan stock.



Note the adjustable cheek rest, and how the stock provides a different hand grip.
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 10:21 PM
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11. The photo you posted is for a Dakota T-76 Longbow: $4k min.

The riffle the guy is holding looks like your standard $500-1,000 varminter.
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dairydog91 Donating Member (520 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 10:26 PM
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13. I'm well aware of that.
Edited on Tue Apr-28-09 10:27 PM by dairydog91
The T-76 is a true sniper rifle. I put up the picture because you can see features on it not seen on the gun pictured in the original post. Such features include the MacMillan-type stock and the adjustable cheek rest (Not to mention, the T-76 just looks sophisticated.)

Edit: BTW, a T-76 is amazingly fun to shoot ;)
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 10:32 PM
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15. What's the recoil like?
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dairydog91 Donating Member (520 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 10:39 PM
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17. Strong and snappy.
Edited on Tue Apr-28-09 10:39 PM by dairydog91
Last time I got to shoot it, I was shooting old olive oil cans (The old metal Italian ones, 3 Liter capacity) that were filled with water. At about 150 yards, I was getting perfect shots through the center, and each shot would pretty much rip open the back of the can (Some of the cans were so mangled, they were almost inside out).

Recoil is about what you'd expect, definitely more snappy than a .30-06. I had the muzzle brake on, so it wasn't too bad. It is staggeringly noisy, however.
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 10:15 PM
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5. Looks like a Remmington 700 or Winchester 70.

Maybe a Savage 110FP.

A varmint riffle with a big scope.
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 10:20 PM
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9. nvm, checked my savage & bdl.. wrong stock
Edited on Tue Apr-28-09 10:21 PM by X_Digger
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 10:23 PM
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12. Looks close to this one.
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 10:31 PM
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14. Yah, close to my bdl but not quite..
I was sure it was a 700.. like the post below, looks more like a win 70.
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 10:34 PM
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16. That's what I was thinking just your standard
Edited on Tue Apr-28-09 11:06 PM by doc03
hunting rifle, nothing special about it. The end of the barrel just looks like a muzzle break to me, it reduces recoil. Of course the stupid ass media and gun grabbers will call it a special sniper's rifle. Since the picture was taken in Hungary maybe it is a CZ rifle.
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rabs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:05 PM
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20. The photo was actually taken in Bolivia



Discovered and released by Bolivian authorities.

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dashrif Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 10:21 PM
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10. By
the bolt and the safety location it looks like a model 70 win

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rabs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 11:00 PM
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19. Many thanks to all for the information on the rifle


So the consenses is that the weapon is a hunting rifle but like all rifles with scopes, can be used as a sniper weapon.


The guys below were killed in a raid on a hotel. There was a 30-minute shootout. Raid led police to an expo-fair exhibition where more weapons and tubes of C-4 were found. Bolivian police are looking for other members of the cell, Europeans and Bolivians.





Eduardo Rózsa Flores, Bolivian-Croatian ring-leader of the terrorist cell
doing a Guckert/Gannon stunt.


Michael Dwyer, from Ireland, shot to death.


Magyarosi Arpak, Hungarian, shot to death
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-28-09 10:52 PM
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18. It's a synthetically-stocked hunting rifle
It either has a heavy target barrel or it's a substantial caliber, perhaps a .338. The compensator on the end (directs the emerging gasses backwards to help neutralize recoil) points to something powerful, perhaps a .300 Magnum or a .338.


The scope is big, probably a variable-zoon 4-16x50mm with a sunshade. Doesn't look like it has an illuminated reticle or night-vison capability.

Not even a rifle sling.


It would be a decent setup for taking medium-sized game. Moose, deer, elk, rams, etc.
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one-eyed fat man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 08:33 AM
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22. post-64 Winchester Model 70
The safety, the jeweled bolt without the classic Mauser style claw and the checkering pattern on the stock, all those features consistent with a mid- to late- 80's vintage Winchester. The muzzle attachment is called a muzzle brake and is intended to reduce the recoil felt by the shooter.

The .338-06 picture below has the pre-64 style bolt and a similar brake



The .243 Varminter in this picture has the push-feed type bolt, laminated stock and a 6x24 B&L scope.



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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 10:14 AM
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23. Remington rifles have their safety at the rear right of the bolt...
It is a small knurled barrel-shaped lever made of stamped metal. I believe the rifle shown is of a different design.
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