Don't Lie for the Other Guy-Firearms industry teams with BATFE

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

http://www.dontlie.org/

Don't Lie for the Other Guy was developed by the National Shooting Sports Foundation, the trade association for the firearms industry, in coordination with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.


Glad to see the firearms industry doing it's part stop illegal firearms sales.

David

[MichaelHarris]

1. recent post

from the Gungon:

"BATFE is one of the least respected Federal law enforcement organizations. Their recent shenanigans in border areas being one example of many."

You guys really need to get on the same page.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

2. Sorry we don't participate in groupthink like you guys.

[msongs]

3. nice to know the NRA is not groupthink LOL nt

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

4. Who is a member of the NRA?

[Euromutt]

6. I am, actually

It's a condition of membership in my gun club, and I do like to practice with my long guns in a controlled environment with target stands and maintained backstops and brass recycling buckets. Also, I was thinking of getting certified as a firearms instructors one of these years, when time and finances permit, and NRA certification is the most widely recognized credential. Technically, you don't have to be a member to be certified as an instructor, but it is Strongly Encouraged.

The NRA resembles the Boy Scouts of America in certain respects; they do a lot of good work at the community level teaching useful skills, and many of the members are perfectly nice people, but unfortunately the leaderships of both organizations are assholes to a man. Oh well, a few more years and I get to vote for the board of directors. I'm looking forward to voting against that fucking traitor Ollie North, for all the good it'll do. In the interim, I make a habit of mailing back every plea for more money with "Stop sponsoring CPAC" written on it in Sharpie.

[DonP]

7. Me too

Between the gun and hunter safety courses they teach, the programs they run for local police departments that save cities and villages thousands in training costs and the special work they do with the military, running the SDM program and training Army instructors, they do a lot more for the country and gun safety than Sarah freaking Brady or most of their opponents ever will.

No, I'm not happy with some of their political support, but they backed a lot of Dems for the House in the last election, including my representative, Debbie Halvorsen, in a previously solid R district. They also contributed roughly 10 times as much to Dems as the Brady Bunch in 2008. When they have a Dem who supports 2nd amendment rights they back them every time over an R who doesn't.

But I'm always amazed at the pile of ignorant, unfounded crap people spew about "the NRA says this" or "the NRA supports guns for everyone anywhere".

In several threads I've challenged people to back up their claims about the NRA with a cite referencing the "All guns anywhere", "machine guns for children" and a pile of other obvious crap. Pretty much all the NRA stuff is posted online and can be accessed and searched even if you're not a member.

Amazingly, over several years I've never had a single person respond with anything beyond posting VPC shit or some newspaper editorial saying what they "thought" the NRA stood for. But never any support from the organization itself.

There's a hell of a lot more diversity in thought and membership in the NRA than there is in the GOP led Brady Bunch. How many minorities does Sara have on her board? How many gun safety classes has she run for children? After all everything she does is - "for the children".

[iverglas]

9. just curious, as usual

It's a condition of membership in my gun club

This would be why?

I'm familiar with the distinction between the NRA and the NRA-ILA, and the fact that people all over the spectrum of opinion regarding firearms issues conflate them (usually perfectly innocently) all the time. Just wanted to point that out. But the NRA itself is something that many people would still not want to be a member of. What reason does your gun club give?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

11. Likely a private club, they don't have to give a reason.

The gun range I belong to strongly encourages it.

David

[Euromutt]

12. I think it's an affiliate program type thing

As I understand it, the NRA provides affiliate clubs with assistance in design and funding of new ranges, and the club agrees that a certain percentage of its members will be NRA members.

[MichaelHarris]

5. hahahahahaha

absolutely fantastic reply. If we ever meet the first case is on me. I like your style.

:toast:

[Deadric Damodred]

10. Well the BATFE does have a serious problem...

...with abusing it's unprecedented power. They can and will arrest people for things that are not specifically stated as against the law, but which they (the ATF) have decided on their own "should" be a gun violation. For instance attaching a front forward verticle grip to a pistol, such as the AR-15 pistols or similar types, isn't against the law because there is no law that says you can't do that, but the BATFE has decided they don't like it and so they will arrest you for it. At one time they had decided that a shoestring was a machine gun, simply because it could be used to make a gun "bump fire". They have more power than any federal agency out there, because they can make shit up as they go along; and they abuse the piss out of the power they have.

[Xela]

8. Bilingual messages

Down here in Texas we've even seen these messages in English/Spanish.

So what if sometimes they don't have their act together.

They should be recognized for something we agree with.

Kudos to the BATFE.

Xela