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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 03:49 PM
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Man Bears Arms to Protest Illegal Seattle Gun Ban
Edited on Sun Nov-15-09 03:50 PM by paulsby
and in the process gives himself standing to sue...

note for the masses:
1) this is not a 2nd amendment issue. it is a WA state constitution issue, which is quite explicit about the right to bear arms. Any state may recognize broader rights than the federal constitution. Many do. Even if one does not believe the 2nd protects a right to keep and bear etc. , it's irrelevant. WA constitution holds, and is a very clear explanation of that right

2) there is ALSO a state law that pre-empts any locality from passing any law that is more restrictive of firearms than the state standard.

3) mayor nickels passed this regulation by "executive order" ... shades of bush usurping power

4) the attorney general has already come out and stated in writing that the seattle gun ban is illegal

5) in other locations with such bans, such as Kitsap County, these bans are unenforceable and in fact are NOT enforced, see:
On May 31, 2009, Washington OpenCarry members held an open carry protest picnic at Silverdale's Waterfront Park, a county park. Attendees openly carried handguns, in violation of posted regulations prohibiting firearms at the park. Kitsap County Sheriff's deputies were on hand, in part to explain to the public why they weren't enforcing the park's posted gun ban. State law allows the open carrying of firearms, and specifically preempts local ordinances more restrictive than the state's. Kitsap County not only has left its parks gun ban on the books, but continues to publicly post it with other park regulations. Because the law is not practically enforceable, county deputies appear to be showing disregard for the county's law, making it unclear to many gun owners what is tolerated
source: wikipedia and various news sources

the man announced his intention to police,the media etc. and in fact showed up to exercise his rights. he was told to leave, and did so, and thus now has standing since his rights were violated. my prediction: either seattle will settle with him pretrial, or he will win at trial. the case law is clear.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/70112817.html
SEATTLE - A Kent man carried out a promise to "exercise his right to bear arms" by carrying a holstered Glock pistol into the Southwest Community Center on Saturday at high noon. Bob Warden, 44, says his actions are in protest of the city of Seattle's recent decision to ban firearms from certain community centers and parks where children are typically present. Warden, who says he has a current valid Washington state license to carry a concealed weapon, announced his intentions in an e-mail Friday morning to media as well as to the city of Seattle, including the police and city attorney. And he was as good as word, showing up at the West Seattle community center at 2801 SW Thistle Street, as promised. Also there were a number of reporters, cameraman and photographers from Seattle media outlets.

Parks Department employee Lisa Harrison asked Warden to leave - and leave he did.

Warden said he believes this may give him legal standing to file a lawsuit over the gun ban at Seattle city facilities. "I'm not here as a Second Amendment activist," Warden said in an interview with the seattlepi.com. "I'm here as a citizen who believes in the rule of law." He says he is an attorney, licensed to practice in Washington, and that when he took his oath of attorney he promised to support the Constitution. Last month, Seattle Mayor Greg Nickels banned guns on such city facilities as parks and community centers where children gather. Signs banning guns have since been posted at city parks. Warden said he took action because he believes the ban is illegal. He noted that the state Attorney General's Office has said so.

"They know full well it's illegal, but they went ahead and did it anyway," Warden said Friday, adding that he is not a member of the National Rifle Association.




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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 04:06 PM
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 04:20 PM
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2. i think that would have been preferable
apparently, he just wanted to be ordered to leave based on exercise of his rights, and believes that will give him sufficient standing to sue

fwiw, i am not sure he would be arrested.

kitsap county sheriff's were smart enough not to enforce their illegal law.

i would hope SPD would do the same.

if i was the responding officer, you can be damn sure i would not arrest. if ordered to by a supervisor, i have to admit i might, but i would be damned sure i noted in the report the fact that i advised my sgt of my reasons not to arrest and that i was ordered to.

if forced to bet, i would be reasonably confident in betting that SPD would NOT arrest the man if he refused to leave, because it's clearly illegal
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GreenStormCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 04:53 PM
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3. If the police had refused to arrest, then it may have undermined his case.
He left when he was ordered to by a city authority. That should be enough.
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greennina Donating Member (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 07:10 PM
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I'm proud to have a Mayor that looks out for us!
> mayor nickels passed this regulation by "executive order" ..

Wow, so you're also going to complain when Obama uses this same great tool to help us? Are you also going to make the wrong comparison of Obama to Bush? Why hate this power that Obama has?

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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 07:22 PM
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5. i am comparing him to bush
because what he is doing is just like what bush did

the law is clear.

he cannot ban guns in parks

he decided to usurp the legal process and enact an executive order.

he did this despite warnings from numerous legal authorities, to include the state attorney general.

even HONEST opponents of RKBA acknowledge that what he is doing is violative of rule of law

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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 07:39 PM
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7. So, it seems you want to have not a President...
but a dictator. As long as s/he's on your side...

Very Progressive of you.

NOT.
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 02:47 AM
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8. that syndrome is woefully common
statists on the left and statists on the right.
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rd_kent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 10:48 AM
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10. Seriously? "This great tool to help us?"
Well, I think we know who the tool is.....enjoy your stay....
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greennina Donating Member (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 07:10 PM
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4. Why is there no delete...
Edited on Sun Nov-15-09 07:39 PM by greennina
for accidents like this one?
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pipoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 07:38 PM
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6. Obama is smart enough not to issue
an executive order which is unconstitutional and/or illegal and not to ignore the warnings of say, the attorney general..
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Katya Mullethov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 09:20 AM
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9. That's simple
This is how we learn . There should be no edit button either .
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ManiacJoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 08:11 PM
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11. He was asked to leave, as expected.
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Tejas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 07:03 AM
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12. Throughout this and other ANTI civil rights actions, I've consistently missed
the part where 100's of local citizens demanded that something be done.

This case for example, much like Mayor Nutter in Philly or the Dictator of Chicago, this mayor takes it upon himself to make a splash. Besides the Brady Bunch showing up after the fact, where are the city council meetings with citizens calling for bans?

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