Angry Father, Devoted Son, and Gunfire - Arkansas Suspects Had Rage Toward Government

[groovedaddy]

SPRINGFIELD, Ohio — It was here, in this blue-collar town of frame houses and good-natured biker bars, that Jerry Ralph Kane Jr. began his fight against what he regarded as the illegitimate corporations he believed had usurped the government.

That fight ended in spectacular fashion Thursday in West Memphis, Ark., just across the Mississippi River from Memphis, leaving Mr. Kane, his 16-year-old son, Joseph, and two local police officers dead.

Mr. Kane and Joseph shot the officers who stopped their white van on Interstate 40, then died in a firefight with other law enforcement officials in a Wal-Mart parking lot, wounding a sheriff and his deputy, the authorities said. A newspaper photograph showed Joseph, dead on a traffic island, the bullet-riddled van behind him.

It was only the culmination — the inevitable culmination, some who knew Mr. Kane said — of a struggle that began here in Springfield.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/24/us/24arkansas.html?th&emc=th

[Katya Mullethov]

1. This whole "file a 1099 misc over 600 accumulated per year" thing

Has a lot of people pissed off .

[Callisto32]

5. My wife made 618 dollars playing piano for the church last year.

Not only did we basically give it all back, and thus saw no benefit, but it actually made us owe $200 more in taxes than otherwise...

Yeah, I was pissed.

Edit: Forgot a word.

[Katya Mullethov]

7. Oh heck !

I almost forgot to mention it ........... would you like to add one dollar to this post in support of the Greek pension fund ? We have the little coupons stuck to the credit card reader right over there .

[dmallind]

2. Why does ittake 3/4 of the article before they mention the White Supremacist church?

The first 75% of the article would make him sound like the average DUer in political philosophy.

[damntexdem]

3. And the sins of the fathers are visited upon their children.

After years of homeschooling in violent anti-government rhetoric.

[Callisto32]

4. Wow, just wow.

Okay, this guy was pretty obviously a violent wacko, but that article is a thinly veiled slander against a lot of people.

Like this little gem:

"And this is where Mr. Kane drew his son, who the authorities said participated in the shooting, into his web of conspiracy theories and suspicion of authority. By age 9, Joseph, who was home-schooled, could recite the Bill of Rights from memory and carried a realistic toy gun everywhere he went, Sheriff Gene A. Kelly of Clark County said."

Okay, some weird stuff, obviously...but throwing in suspicion of authority and home schooling, and how dare a person teach their young child their statutorily protected rights!?

and:

He could recite the Constitution,” Mr. Kelly said of Joseph, whom he met when Mr. Kane paid a visit to his office in 2004. “He could recite the right to bear arms. You could tell that the child had been taught not to trust law enforcement.”

Teaching the child the Constitution and that he has the right to bear arms is the "gateway drug" to not trusting law enforcement, apparently. Of course, if their local police are anything like some of ours, they don't need any help to not be trusted...

Finally, I'm glad that because I doubt the legitimacy of the state's authority to be the monopoly on violence, I am implicitly part of "hate groups."

Nice, NYT.

[Euromutt]

6. Weber's definition of the state is descriptive, not prescriptive

When he coined the definition of the state being as the entity (within a given geopolitical area) with a monopoly on the legitimate use of force/violence, Weber was trying to indicate the one characteristic that all entities that can be described as "states" have in common. The description doesn't imply that the use of force/violence by (agents of) the state is by definition legitimate, nor did Weber intend it to mean that only agents of the state could legitimately use force/violence. And even in the most minarchist polity, the state does have a monopoly on the legitimate use of force in the sense that, if a private citizen uses force, the state gets to determine whether that use of force was justified or not (e.g. in court).

Anyone who tells you that Weber's intent was prescriptive--i.e. that only agents of the state can legitimately use violence--doesn't understand what Weber was trying to get at.

[slackmaster]

8. Auto-Unrec for failure to provide any kind of linkage to the purpose of the Guns forum

"Discussion of gun-related public policy issues or the use of firearms for self-defense"