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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 03:32 PM
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Gun Found Underneath Baby In Stroller
Two seasoned Milwaukee Police Officers found a gun in an unusual place. A shotgun was hidden underneath a baby in a stroller.

Police were called to an apartment near 84th Street and Mill Road for a report of a man with a gun hidden in a baby stroller.

"The whole time I was personally hoping that there wasn't one in the stroller, but unfortunately there was, and fortunately we found it," Officer Andrew Moutry said.

Daryl McGregory, 19, and Michael Nelson, 22, are charged with possession of a sawed-off shotgun. The gun was in a duffel bag underneath McGregory's 8-month-old child.

http://www.wisn.com/r/24628045/detail.html

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cowman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 03:37 PM
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1. So what's your point with another asinine OP?
Does this mean my RKBA should be restricted because some dumbfuck didn't obey the law? Why don't you ever answer these ?'s?
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 03:58 PM
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5. babies dont kill people, GUNS DO
so there....
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shadowrider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 04:38 PM
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9. Here, I fixed it
Babies don't kill people, irresponsible lawbreaking thugs carrying illegal weapons illegally do.

So there....
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 05:20 PM
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10. If they are available to righteous citizens they are available to thugs. Make guns and ammo scarce.
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one-eyed fat man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 07:22 PM
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13. Have you, perchance, noticed?
There are thugs whose primary occupation consists of making scarce or prohibited items available to anyone who can stand the tariff?

The dude you are buying your dope from has a source of supply that exists outside the law. The only thing he is diverting from legal commerce is your cash. You offer him enough cash he can likely get you anything you might want from Krugerrands, cocaine, or a gun, to a date for Saturday night.

Scarcity only raises the price, the laws of supply and demand work for contraband too. For those who are already criminals, it's just overhead, and they steal as much of that as they can anyway. Evidence Clyde Barrow's fondness for V8 Fords as getaway cars.



As big a fan of Fords as Clyde was, he never spent a dime on one. The car in which Bonnie and Clyde were killed was a 1934 Ford V8. The car was stolen from the driveway of Jesse and Ruth Warren in Topeka, Kansas.
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 08:11 PM
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14. What I've noticed is that you can't go to a store and buy morphine without a prescription.
I've noticed that the people of Great Britain don't tend to die from bullets entering their bodies.
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 08:29 PM
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16. Who needs a store.. you can have it delivered.
15 minutes in any large city, and it's easier to acquire than a legal prescription drug.
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 11:17 PM
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20. Even if that were true (it isn't), such product is sought to be used on oneself.
Guns and ammo, by contrast, are sought to be used against *others*.

Consequently, they ought to be at least as scarce and difficult to obtain.

It's absurd that you can go to the store and buy such items as a constitutional right no less.
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 07:42 AM
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23. Oh I forgot..
You're so blind, you don't believe that illegal drugs are widely available.

DEA agents bust home-delivery heroin ring
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14364223/
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pipoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 09:27 PM
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18. Knife death is so much nicer than gun death..
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 11:09 PM
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19. They are addressing that problem as well.
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pipoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 11:39 PM
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21. Yea, and when they get done with that
it will be cricket bat death, rock death, etc. This isn't even to mention the overall stupidity of knife laws..any idea how freaking simple knife making is? A hint, over 1/3 of all federal maximum security prisoners have homemade knives at any given time, these are knives which can and often are used to kill people..gun control is a joke, knife control is just text book stupidity.
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one-eyed fat man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 11:10 AM
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25. They didn't in Rwanda either.
The lack of firearms has hardly made butchery obsolete. As for the UK, it is quite hilarious that after the 1997 ban more than 160,000 handguns were surrendered to the police simply because all loyal subjects of the Crown had duly registered them with the police the Home Office was still "negotiating" with both the IRA and Loyalist paramilitaries to decommission their weapons.

So up until June 2009, when both the UVF and Red Hand Commando announced that they had completed a process of decommissioning, if you wanted to own a handgun in the UK you needed to be a member of a terrorist paramilitary organization.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decommissioning_in_Northern_Ireland

Oh, "in the figures don't lie, but liars can figure" school of accounting, those killed during the "troubles" were not counted by the Home Office when computing homicides in the UK.

"What I've noticed is that you can't go to a store and buy morphine without a prescription.", but obviously you fail to acknowledge that you can't go to a store and buy a gun without a NICS check. That criminals divert legal drugs or legal anything to criminal use is hardly surprising, given that criminals also supply contraband goods for which there is no legal market, e.g., heroin.

For someone who claims to live in Chicago, you must really live under a rock or in the tallest of ivory towers if you cannot find conclusive evidence that the notion of making something "scarce" as a solution to its abuse is doomed to fail. How about I give you a hint?

"When I sell liquor, it's bootlegging. When my customers serve it on Lakeshore Drive, it's hospitality." - Al Capone


It was dumb idea in 1919 with alcohol. It is a dumb idea now with the "war on Drugs", and it will be just as stupid if you get your way and they outlaw the manufacture of guns in the US tomorrow. How many more corrupt politicians bought by gangster money, and the dead bodies that will bring, are you willing to tolerate to achieve your dream of guns only in the hands of the State and criminals?
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Taitertots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 08:18 PM
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15. They can get cocaine from Columbia, Heroin from Afghanistan....
What makes you think they couldn't get guns from those places just as easily?
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cowman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 06:26 PM
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11. Gun do not kill people
the person with the gun makes that decision. My legally carried gun has never ever jumped out of its holster and started blasting away. Your post is just more anti gun bullshit.
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 04:51 PM
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29. actually its anti people bullshit....
so there...
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cowman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 06:48 PM
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30. Here let me fix it for you
It's anti civil rights bullshit. There, all better.
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-10 12:06 PM
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31. is owning a gun a civil rights issue?
:shrug:
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 01:29 PM
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26. Soo, the gun just jumps up and fires, covers itself up, and waits to be arrested?
Yeah. Right. Please note that when a murder is committed, the MURDERER is tried, not the gun.
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Bold Lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 03:44 PM
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2. Good example of how criminals do not obey gun laws. Reading the article further
Edited on Sun Aug-15-10 03:45 PM by Bold Lib
we find that one of the men had been kicked out of the residence and was coming back with an illegally short shotgun to exact revenge. I'm not too sure of what kind of law would have prevented this from happening.

Thank you for this fine example of how criminals don't obey the law and how gun laws only curtail the law abiding.
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Euromutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 03:54 PM
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3. "Charged with possession of a sawed-off shotgun"
Short-barrelled shotguns are, of course, tightly regulated under the National Firearms Act of 1934, and prohibited outright in a number of states. We're not talking about otherwise law-abiding gun owners who threatened or caused harm due to negligence, or "just snapped." These guys were in violation of the law before they put the sawed-off in the stroller.

Also, the fact that 19 year-old has an 8 month-old kid doesn't inspire confidence in me that he's a particularly smart and responsible type.

And, uh-oh, they arrested Mike Nelson from Wisconsin? I guess that's going to delay the next Rifftrax.
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Submariner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 03:55 PM
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4. Evidence of a Terror Baby?
:o



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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 04:03 PM
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6. That's a dime in club fed.
Not the first time someone's hidden a gun in a place you wouldn't expect..



What was your point?

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TexasProgresive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 04:06 PM
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7. So, Don't babies have 2nd amendment rights?
Edited on Sun Aug-15-10 04:07 PM by TexasProgresive
And I'm sure the baby is not a felon.


Robert Heinlein wrote: You can sway a thousand men by appealing to their emotions quicker than you can convince one man by logic. It doesn't have to be a prejudice about an important matter either. Zebadiah Jones from If This Goes On AKA Revolt in 2100
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 01:35 PM
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27. There's that GOP 5th Column tactic again...
State an untruth, over and over again.

"So, Don't babies have 2nd amendment rights?"

And you were saying what about "logic?"

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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 04:24 PM
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8. Just teaching it about its constitutional liberties early.
Nothing wrong with that. :shrug:
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one-eyed fat man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 06:26 PM
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12. Off body carry
Criminals have long used various methods of having guns handy but not on their person. Most cops are aware of many of the more common methods. In fact, it is almost axiomatic if you spot a gun in a holster that the carrier is most likely a cop or otherwise legally entitled to carry a firearm.

Criminals prefer a method of carry which gives them the option of quickly ditching the gun if they think they might be under the scrutiny of the law. Stuffing a Glock in your waistband is risky, ask Plaxico Burris, but there is no tell-tale empty holster. Carrying the gun in a fast food bag lets him drop it in a trash can if he thinks it's better not to have it on him. Some use their girlfriends as "gun bearers". Even the classic Tommy gun in the violin case has been updated to an AK in the guitar case.

Are you really mystified that thugs behave badly? Or is it your contention that anyone who owns a gun is a criminal?
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 09:15 PM
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17. Who fucking cares what criminal poons do..
not jack shit to do with me or any other legal owner.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 12:11 AM
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22. Ban strollers. It's the only way we'll be safe.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 09:51 AM
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24. Unrec for drive-by "current events" post with nothing to connect it to forum topic
:nuke:
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-10 01:38 PM
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28. The cat was busy in the crypt today. P-h-h-e-WWWW!
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