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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 01:01 PM Original message |
Swiss considering draconian gun control ... |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
1. If there truly is a "a broad alliance of human rights groups, |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 02:05 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Broad != Deep |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 04:56 PM Response to Reply #4 |
17. Ah, ok. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 11:29 PM Response to Reply #17 |
32. 4 million, you mean? (And that's just the NRA members).. |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 01:25 PM Response to Reply #32 |
41. The Bradys (including the Million Mom March!) claim +/- 50K members, IIRC. |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 04:42 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Yet thy are $250,000 in debt! n/t |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
2. An idiotic policy in an urbanized society ends up killing people. |
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SoCalNative (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 01:32 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Indeed |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 02:09 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Some would point out that the Swiss policy ... |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 02:28 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Why there laws have been so successful |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 03:01 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. I can agree with some of these laws but not all ... |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 08:07 PM Response to Reply #7 |
27. Or maybe the laws have been "successful" because... |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 08:16 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. True. It's hard to compare the crime rate between different countries ... |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 05:41 PM Response to Reply #2 |
24. So what about urbanized societies with higher murder rates- and stricter gun laws? |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 06:55 AM Response to Reply #2 |
36. That must be why Switzerland has one of the lowest homicide rates in Europe |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 08:18 AM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Somalia, no gun laws, no government? |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 08:22 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Pretty mixed bag on rate of gun ownership and crime |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 06:46 AM Response to Reply #39 |
44. There's no correlation between privately owned firearms per capita and overall violent crime |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 06:31 AM Response to Reply #38 |
43. Which Somalia are you talking about: today's or that of 5-20 years ago? |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 04:47 PM Response to Reply #2 |
45. Solution searching for a problem... |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
6. forget principles, |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 02:29 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. The gun laws in Switzerland tightened up considerably after Switzerland signed... |
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wikileaksfan (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 03:27 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Hopefully the Swiss will come up with some real strong gunlaws |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 04:01 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Passng "real strong" gun laws will probably have little or no effect on cirme ... |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 04:30 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. One reason |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 04:56 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. You and I appear to agree that future gun control ... |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 05:26 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. Portugal has been having success. |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 08:37 AM Response to Reply #21 |
40. The question of "which is most liberal?" very much depends on whether you look at laws or policies |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 10:18 PM Response to Reply #13 |
30. The "crime of passion" murder is pretty much entirely a myth |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 04:05 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Yes, punishing the innocent majority for the transgressions of the criminal few... |
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Straw Man (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 04:39 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. Bragging? |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 05:20 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. Wasn't me. |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 07:53 PM Response to Reply #19 |
26. Here's the link |
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Straw Man (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 03:18 AM Response to Reply #19 |
34. Didn't say it was... |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 05:31 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. He cannot provide an example- it's just another strawman argument. |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 10:39 PM Response to Reply #22 |
31. Note in addition the "killed by guns" clause |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 04:52 PM Response to Reply #6 |
15. Funny |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 05:03 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. It fell completely apart n/t |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 05:21 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Speculation |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 05:33 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Only google story confirming what you say |
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Ready4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 06:00 PM Response to Original message |
25. Crediblity? |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 08:15 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. You are reading the english version of a page published in several different languages ... |
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Ready4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 01:21 AM Response to Reply #28 |
33. Heheh on myself too. |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 06:43 AM Response to Reply #25 |
35. As spin notes, the article a (partial) translation |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 08:09 AM Response to Original message |
37. Ummm, the UK's murder rate is HIGHER than Switzerland's... |
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