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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:00 PM Original message |
Question: Could AZ's heavy RKBA contingent have helped DURING incident? |
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JustFiveMoreMinutes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:05 PM Response to Original message |
1. If everyone has a gun... made me envision a SNL skit |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:06 PM Response to Original message |
2. It does appear that in this specific situation... |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:10 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. And, I said my point applies to ONLY this kind of situation. |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:33 PM Response to Reply #3 |
12. This was the line I took as your main point... |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:49 PM Response to Reply #12 |
26. Thanks for your civil tone as well |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 07:08 PM Response to Reply #26 |
38. Firstly, no-one has ever claimed that a gun is the right solution every time. |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 08:28 PM Response to Reply #38 |
46. Ah, the old "case by case" argument... |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 09:22 PM Response to Reply #46 |
52. Who's talking about law? We're talking about judgement.. |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 11:32 PM Response to Reply #52 |
61. A meaningless bit of wordplay n/t |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 12:32 AM Response to Reply #61 |
65. If you don't know the difference between what's legal and what's prudent, I don't know what to say. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:11 PM Response to Reply #2 |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:13 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Could I have a minute before this degenerates into name-calling, please? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:14 PM Response to Original message |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:16 PM Response to Original message |
7. You raise good points, but.. |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:22 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. My purpose is to propose a common sense rule |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:27 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. I doubt any change will happen (legislatively). |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:37 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. I believe this would be the biggest stopping point to any such rule as this. |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:59 PM Response to Reply #15 |
32. I live in a cold climate. Most events in winter are indoors... |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 07:16 PM Response to Reply #32 |
40. I disagree. |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 08:53 PM Response to Reply #40 |
50. When people refuse to allow any regulation of guns, then the terrorists are... |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 09:36 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. Cite to evidence, please. n/t |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:37 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. The suggestion is to avoid such uncontrollable venues... |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:40 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. 'rare' being a politically-motivated attempted assassination |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:43 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. My proposal is that politicians will have to check AND gun owners... |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 06:12 PM Response to Reply #22 |
34. Not if the venue is public, no. |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 06:33 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. I didn't say "public". I just said controlled. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 06:49 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. You didn't specify non-public, before now.. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 07:19 PM Response to Reply #22 |
41. No. Sorry, meeting the public is one of the duties and risks of the job. |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 08:27 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. This is pure ideology. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 09:40 PM Response to Reply #45 |
55. Airplanes are private property. |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 11:29 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. You call yourself a Democrat? I think not. This is pure libertarianism. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 11:59 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. "You put private property and contract law above the government." |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:40 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. If you could get the politicians to avoid events such as this... |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:46 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. Elsewhere in this thread, someone said such a law would never pass... |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:53 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. Given that such assassination attempts are (thankfully!) rare... |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 07:12 PM Response to Reply #8 |
39. "Armed to the teeth" is still a relative term. |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 08:31 PM Response to Reply #39 |
47. Have you read this thread? I specifically said "crowd situation". |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 09:35 PM Response to Reply #47 |
53. I will repeat myself: I was at an identical function, i.e. a crowd. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 11:27 PM Response to Reply #53 |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 12:08 AM Response to Reply #58 |
64. And the penis reference. |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:23 PM Response to Original message |
9. Are you suggesting trained policemen don't make mistakes like |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:25 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Not at all. That is 180 degrees from the point I was trying to make. |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:36 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. But we didn't get chaos and mayhem... |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:41 PM Response to Reply #13 |
20. You are saying the situation is the best we could hope for? |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:44 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Now you're getting more specific.. |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:51 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. I'm unfamilar w Rep. King's situation, as RKBA is not an issue of mine |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 06:16 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. See response #34. n/t |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:50 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. I never said your idea was totally without merit. |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:53 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Oops. Sorry. I misread. My bad. |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:56 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. It's in post #7. |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 06:02 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Thanks. But, I think that was different. |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:36 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. And I agree with you |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:38 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Agreed. (nt) |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:42 PM Response to Reply #14 |
21. Right. Thanks for agreeing w my premise. Now, what about... |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 05:47 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. I'd have to think about that. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 07:25 PM Response to Reply #21 |
43. I'd accept that IF.... |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 08:33 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. I said not pulling any legalistic crap like this... |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 09:43 PM Response to Reply #48 |
57. I did not brandish nor did I threaten anything. |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 11:32 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. The very act of wearing it is brandishing it. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 11:55 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. You need to look up the definition of "brandishing". |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 08:48 AM Response to Reply #62 |
66. Its no accusation to say you are an ideological purist who interprets... |
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Katya Mullethov (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 09:53 AM Response to Reply #66 |
67. I have epaulettes |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 07:22 PM Response to Reply #10 |
42. And if you can point to a few incidents of lawful firearms use... |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 08:34 PM Response to Reply #42 |
49. This is off topic. Your broad generalization is totally irrelevant to... |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 09:41 PM Response to Reply #49 |
56. It's very relevent... |
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MichaelHarris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 08:26 PM Response to Original message |
44. Zamudio |
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Katya Mullethov (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 10:06 AM Response to Reply #44 |
68. Does he now ? |
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Flyboy_451 (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-11-11 09:00 PM Response to Original message |
51. couple of points... |
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