Guns guns everywhere, and crime is still a problem everywhere

[DainBramaged]

and the gunnies can't do a thing to stop it.......such a joke. All these years of arming everyone everywhere, and you can't stop crime.

[X_Digger]

1. Yet violent crime continues to fall..

I'm sure that must chap your ass to no end.

[jeepnstein]

2. It's not their problem.

Being a gun owner doesn't make one a crime fighter any more than having a spandex suit and a red cape. What it does for you is gives you the option of fighting back when your life is threatened. We've had a rash of home invasions lately. They target old folks and people with terminal illnesses, looking for oxycontin or other pain killers. Several of these home invaders got shot during their encounters with their intended victims. I don't look for the local addict population to quit robbing and stealing any time soon in spite of the obvious risk to their health from engaging in such activities.

[humblebum]

3. Firearm possession is illegal in Mexico and yet look who has guns

down there, and who is unable to defend themselves because they are not allowed to. That is my answer to gun control in the US.

[X_Digger]

4. Not illegal, but highly regulated.

One of our members, Xela, is an ex-pat more familiar with the gun laws in MX. Search for his posts to learn more.

[RSillsbee]

5. If you took every gun off the streets of America

You would still have a crime problem

If you took every criminal off the streets of America you would NOT have a gun problem

[humblebum]

6. China has a knife problem. nt

[RSillsbee]

7. The problem w/ China

is there's too many Chinese people in it :sarcasm: (I really shouldn't need that)

[jpak]

12. How many Chinese knives have 30 round magazines?

:shrug:

[lawodevolution]

18. Chinese civilians own 40 million guns. Maybe they just like to attack each other with knives.

But knife control isn't going to solve the underlying problem causing the violence there. Perhaps if they make it too difficult to get knives they'll start using guns.

[one-eyed fat man]

27. How many knives need reloading?

You can stab without stopping. Don't need a silencer on the knife to be quiet either. It does help if you know a little anatomy, but humans have been using knives quite effectively since the Stone Age.

Knives will absolutely penetrate the Kevlar vests that cops wear. No problem at all to put a knife clean through a vest that will stop a .44 magnum.

[liberal N proud]

8. ::

:popcorn:

[armueller2001]

9. Who advocates arming "everyone everywhere"?

I've never seen that statement in my life except from those anti-rights folks.

[cleanhippie]

10. Let me fix it fot you...Guns are everywhere and crime continues to drop everywhere.

There, now its a factual statement.

FFS, man, how dishonest can you be?

[shadowrider]

11. Oh jeez

[MicaelS]

13. And when they do try, or do stop crime, people like you cry

"Gun Owners are taking the law into their own hands". So we can't win either way.

[slackmaster]

14. Nobody on this forum seriously claims that the reason for owning guns is to stop crime

Guns are for hunting, target shooting, self-protection, collecting, etc.; not to solve all the world's problems.

...All these years of arming everyone everywhere...

Tired, old straw man is tired and old.

[MatthewStLouis]

15. IMO there's nothing wrong with owning a gun as long as we have tough gun control laws.

The problem with many people on this issue is everyone's all or nothing stance. If the NRA weren't just a political vehicle for the right they would advocate for tougher gun control laws. But they always frame the issue as liberals trying to take away their guns.

[cleanhippie]

16. What exactly is a "tough gun control law"?

What does that mean? Considering that there are some 17,000 gun laws on the books already, what "tough gun control laws" would change anything that a criminal already does?

[lawodevolution]

19. Their goal is a total gun ban. Everything else they say are lies designed to get you to feel secure

And not feel the need to defend your rights

[friendly_iconoclast]

20. They can't seem to keep their prejudice and hatred under control, can they?

Staring defeat in the face when you once thought you had the world by the ass must be a bitter, bitter thing....

[benEzra]

17. It's a bit more nuanced than that.

If the DLC/Third Way would stop trying to ban the most popular civilian guns in the United States, or if gun rights advocates truly took an all-or-nothing position, then you'd have a point, though. And I'd say it's not about "liberals", though the Karl Roves of the world love the "libruls hate gunz" meme; gun bans are primarily the mantra of the center-left to center-right, e.g. Dianne Feinstein to William J. Bennett. The common denominator is the view of Authority, not economic/social/religious views.

FWIW, most gun owners do not hold an "all or nothing stance." Like most, I am OK with the 76-year-old restrictions on all automatic weapons (including actual assault rifles), the various restrictions on over-.50-caliber weapons except shotguns, sound suppressed weapons, restrictions on possession and purchase by criminals and the mentally incompetent, the 1986 ban on armor piercing handgun ammunition, the point-of-sale background check for purchase, and the mainstream laws on carry licensure and the limits on self-defense.

I am not OK with turning the clock back on magazine capacities to the 1860's for rifles and early 1930's for handguns; I am not OK with banning rifle handgrips that stick out, adjustable stocks, or flash suppressors; and I am not OK with restricting carry licensure to the wealthy or politically connected. That does not make me (or anyone else) an all-or-nothing absolutist; those restrictions are not reasonable.

[krispos42]

21. Guns guns nowhere, and crime is still a problem everywhere

and the antis can't do a thing to stop it. Civilian disarmament and 4 million police-monitored surveillance cameras notwithstanding.






Well, at least GUN homicides are at historic lows.

[Callisto32]

22. Never said it would.

But since it demonstrably does not INCREASE crime, what is the trouble, again?

[cleanhippie]

23. No, this is not flamebait at all.

[petronius]

24. I'd call it a drive-by, but given the OPs fondness for Ignore I doubt he can see

any of the responses anyway...

[rl6214]

25. The object of being armed isn't neccesarily to stop crime

It is to protect yourself and your loved ones. Being armed does not make you into a superhero.

[mediator]

26. Crime isn't a problem

if you're a criminal...