Can tourists buy (or rent) guns when visiting the U.S?

[Bragi]

I'm a Canadian and will be doing a driving tour of parts of the deep south this coming May.

Since the serious threat that everyone in the U.S apparently poses for everyone else in the U.S, means that everyone needs guns, I am a bit nervous about being unarmed.

My question is whether tourists can buy or rent guns when visiting the U.S?

[msongs]

1. not prohibited by 2nd amendment nt

[cleanhippie]

13. You are not shy about displaying your ignorance, huh?

Education, msongs, its whats for dinner.

[slackmaster]

27. True, but it is prohibited by the Gun Control Act. US Code § 922(d)(5)

A fact that can be discovered easily by any honest person with a decent command of the English language.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sec_18_00000922----000-.html

[X_Digger]

2. You must be a resident alien to purchase (tourist visa will not suffice.)

You may be able to rent a gun at a shooting range, for that session, but that's up to the individual range, not law.

As for the rest of your loaded question- when did you stop beating your spouse? (Ask one, get one in return..)

[Bragi]

4. Really, why aren't there warnings then?

If a country is so dangerous that everyone needs guns to protect themselves from everyone else, then surely it is irresponsible not to warn visitors that they cannot have guns, and hence face real and serious danger should armed conflict occur?

Shouldn't State department make this clear and warn all visitors of the danger arising from their inability to buy/rent/carry guns?

[X_Digger]

12. When did you stop kicking your dog?

Again.. ask a loaded question, get one in return..

[jeepnstein]

14. It's not the State Department's problem.

Contact you own Foreign Office for their advice.

http://www.voyage.gc.ca/countries_pays/report_rapport-eng.asp?id=308000

[Bragi]

34. That's actually a good point

Maybe governments and tourism authorities around the world should publish warnings about the dangers of traveling to and within the U.S due to the inability of tourists to obtain guns, despite the ever-present danger of gun violence that compels so many law-abiding Americans to carry guns at all times.

[jeepnstein]

39. Our government trusts us more than yours does you.

Canada can do as it pleases. Maybe you should petition your government to strengthen it's warnings about travel to what you consider to be such a dangerous place. I'm sure they'll give your concern the serious consideration it deserves.

[friendly_iconoclast]

57. Have you stopped oppressing and exploiting First Nations persons yet?

Would you like to continue exchanging leading questions?

[one-eyed fat man]

85. Actually

If you are in the US to hunt you may bring hunting firearms if you do the proper paperwork on both sides of the border. Just like a US hunter hunting in Canada.

If you don't want to bring a gun, your outfitter or guide can usually arrange so that you have one to use. But it appears you are more interested in snarking than legal gun use.

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/nonimmigrant-aliens.html#nonimmigrant-possession

Q: May nonimmigrant aliens legally in the United States purchase or possess firearms and ammunition while in the United States?

Non-immigrant aliens generally are prohibited from possessing or receiving (purchasing) firearms and ammunition in the United States.

There are exceptions to this general prohibition. The exceptions are as follows:

1. non-immigrant aliens who possess a valid (unexpired) hunting license or permit lawfully issued by a State in the United States;

2. non-immigrant aliens entering the United States to participate in a competitive target shooting event or to display firearms at a sports or hunting trade show sponsored by a national, State, or local firearms trade organization devoted to the collection, competitive use or other sporting use of firearms;

3. certain diplomats, if the firearms are for official duties;

4. officials of foreign governments, if the firearms are for official duties, or distinguished foreign visitors so designated by the U.S. State Department;

5. foreign law enforcement officers of friendly foreign governments entering the United States on official law enforcement business; and

6. persons who have received a waiver from the prohibition from the U.S. Attorney General.

Significantly, even if a non-immigrant alien falls within one of these exceptions, the non-immigrant alien cannot purchase a firearm from a Federal firearms licensee (FFL) unless he or she

(1) has an alien number or admission number from the Department of Homeland Security (formerly the Immigration and Naturalization Service) and
(2) can provide the FFL with documentation showing that he or she has resided in a State within the United States for 90 consecutive days immediately prior to the firearms transaction.

One of my friends from Quebec province was stationed here at Fort Knox as the Liaison NCO from the Canadian Forces to the US Army Armor School. He took advantage of the Status of Forces Agreement to buy several handguns while stationed here as permitted in item 4. He also had to sell them when he got reassigned back to Canada as they were not importable. He, along with the Liaison NCO from the Bundeswehr, a civilian weapons instructor from Fort Knox and I used to hunt and shoot together regularly.

[slackmaster]

22. Wow, you couldn't maintain the pretense of a reasonable, honest question for more than 11 minutes

Life must be pretty boring up in the Great White North.

Unrec as obvious flame-bait.

:nuke:

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

75. self delete n/t

[bottomofthehill]

42. Can not buy or rent a gun, but you can hire Blackwater

[rl6214]

68. Thank God you are canadian

and we don't have to worry about your ignorance or irrational fears affecting our laws.

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[mediator]

84. Well, we certainly won't prevent you from trying to change that.

Rotsa Ruck, you'll need it.

[rl6214]

99. How''s that changing the law thing working out for you?

For Carolyn mccarth, barbara boxer, chuckie shumer and all the rest of the gun control nuts. How's that working out? Been trying now since 2004, haven't gotten it done yet and the states allowing concealed carry or open carry just keeps getting larger and larger. How's that working out for you?

[RSillsbee]

112. the irrational fear.

Like the irrational fear you get from seeing people OC at Mcdonald's?

[krispos42]

73. If you ask at a seller of guns, they will give you all the information you need.

Such as, gun rentals are up to the rental place, you can't buy one as a tourist, and concealed-carry and safe-storage laws vary by state, and possibly county and city as well.


I would say buy one in Canada and bring it with you, but that's a right you don't really have up there.

[NewMoonTherian]

78. That, or provide a system whereby tourists could rent firearms.

It wouldn't be easy logistically, though. The only way I can see it happening would require tourists to apply several months in advance to allow time for a background check. It would have to be less expensive than the CCW process for citizens though, being that the tourist could only use it while visiting.

[onehandle]

3. Gun shows are your best bet. nt

[Bragi]

7. Can tourists buy guns at gun shows?

If they can, is it then legal to carry it and to use it to shoot someone who I think could pose a threat to me?

[RSillsbee]

10. Tourists can NOT legally buy a gun at a gun show

( isuppose an in state tourist could) non resident aliens can not legally carry a firearm in the United States.

has your wife recovered from the last beating you gave her?

[onehandle]

52. Not legally. It's under the table.

Parking lot sales are there too.

There are gun 'classified ad' sites on the Internet. Meet somebody with cash and they will sell to you, no questions asked.

[RSillsbee]

69. You have experience w/ this ?

Or you watched too many ABC special reports?

[one-eyed fat man]

86. Sure

Just like you buy your recreational drugs. You should have no problem if breaking the law is your intent. You clearly know how.

But except for some dead Mexicans a little weed never hurt anyone, right?

[AtheistCrusader]

106. Make sure you ask for the bag of full-auto conversion parts.

It's cheap, and really, if you need to shoot someone, you need to shoot them a lot, don't you? Gun shows carry these kits as a service to the public.

[AtheistCrusader]

105. Not in Washington State. Try elsewhere.

Hope you ask a federal agent in plain clothes. Diplomatic incidents amuse me.

[xchrom]

5. gun show or a lone internet seller.

yes -- 'gang shootings' and 'thugs' behind every fire plug in america.

[global1]

6. Now There's A Business Opportunity For Ya.......

a gun rental shop.

Some names:
1. Rent-A-Gun
2. Guns-R-U.S.(where U.S. is United States)
3. Arm Yourself

[Bragi]

9. Good idea, especially at airports

They should sell guns at all international airports in the U.S so visitors could rent guns just like they rent cell phones.

They could include an instruction booklet showing how to load, aim and fire it.

[AtheistCrusader]

107. And commit multiple felonies all at the same time. If this weren't flame bait

I'd say 'enjoy your stay in our prisons'.

But of course, you were never serious for a second.

[jeepnstein]

8. Non resident aliens...

cannot buy a firearm. Renting is not an option. So the answer is basically "no".

While I always travel with a firearm, I wouldn't necessarily say you have to do so as well. When I travel abroad I'm unarmed and just accept that as part of foreign travel. The rewards have always outweighed the risks. If you really feel that unsafe, you can always take a lawfully armed American along for the ride. Just don't pick this guy.



Enjoy your trip.

[RSillsbee]

11. So good to see an American exercising his right

to bare arms

[jeepnstein]

15. Git 'r Done!

[Bragi]

17. The comparison with other countries doesn't work

It's okay being unarmed in foreign countries because almost no-one has guns there other than law enforcement, and even those are scarce, so the risk of getting shot is very low.

America is unique, however, in that it's the only developed country where people are so frightened of each other that they feel they need guns, and where gun violence is common.

I'm not questioning the fear or the violence, I'm just asking that some consideration be given to the risk created here for unarmed, visiting foreigners.

At minimum, I would expect that warnings should be posted in international arrival areas advising that, in visiting the U.S, foreign visitors must understand that they are at risk of being shot.

Maybe the NRA could help fund this "friendly-warning" campaign.

[jeepnstein]

21. We're unique all right.

Your chances of getting shot in the States is quite low. The overwhelming bulk of the firearms owners in the U.S. are peaceful and law abiding.

If you're so afraid of getting shot maybe you should just pick another destination. It's obvious to me you won't have a very good time here. Pick a country that is more acceptable to your cultural sensitivities.

[Bragi]

23. Except I like the U.S and have family there

I just want to be safe like everyone else, which according to the pro-gun people I've been reading, means that I need a gun.

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[jeepnstein]

35. Are your family members...

citizens or legal resident aliens? They should be able to provide over watch on this mission. Just like Americans some times have to hire locals when traveling in Pakistan, Mexico, or Afghanistan you will have to make arrangements. There are plenty of people in the States who can provide the level of protection you desire.

Or you could quit being so silly about this. If I didn't know better I'd think you were just trolling.

[Bragi]

40. They are U.S citizens but, alas, have no guns

Sadly, they don't see the need to carry a gun, possibly because they fail to understand the severity of the threat that requires Americans to carry guns for protection.

But why should I be exposed to unnecessary risk just because my relatives aren't reading the pro-gun web sites that explain this danger?

As for hiring locals for protection, that's an interesting idea. Maybe the NRA could mount a "visitor protection" program for tourists who are denied access to the tools they need to protect themselves.

[DonP]

45. So you're saying your family is too stupid to recognize the threat?

Maybe you should just bring them back with you where they will be safer. If they don't ant to go, you can always force them to go with a knife or a pointy stick.

If you are confronted while visiting us, feel free to use the traditional unarmed defense system. Throw your wallet on the ground, empty your pockets of all valuables, offer them your wife and children and cry; "Don't hurt me" and "Not in the face" to show the criminals you are serious about surrendering and putting all your trust in them.

[Bragi]

50. You can't pick your family, can you?

Your description of "the traditional unarmed defense system", however, makes it clear how unfair it is to refuse to let foreign visitors carry guns.

Many visitors, like me, and aren't interested in "surrendering" and putting all our trust in criminals.

Indeed, I for one am brave, tough and smart enough to want to carry and use a lethal weapon to quickly and effortlessly kill anyone who might pose a possible threat.

That's why I asked the question.

[DonP]

55. Good luck with that, eh?

[cleanhippie]

62. If what you say is true, then you are a danger to yourself and to others.

You ARE the threat. We need protection from the likes of YOU.

[jeepnstein]

46. Don't look for the NRA to help.

You will have to hire it done.

How many times have your relatives been shot while living in the States? Most people get hit with at least some stray buckshot at the grocery store from time-to-time. It's not uncommon for a few visitors to go down in the crossfire as soon as they make it through passport control. I think your safest bet is to stay in Canada where you belong.

[Straw Man]

81. A family issue?

But why should I be exposed to unnecessary risk just because my relatives aren't reading the pro-gun web sites that explain this danger?

It's hard to believe that your relatives are unaware of the dangers. Have you considered the possibility that they are simply indifferent to the issue of your personal safety?

[Bragi]

88. That's a disturbing thought

Maybe I'm not as likable as I thought.

[cleanhippie]

61. What "pro-gun" people have you been "reading" that stated you need a gun?

Or did you just make that up and are just trolling?

[Euromutt]

111. Say, Jamaica

(Insert "no, she went of her own accord" punchline here.)

Nice stringent gun laws there, so it follows that there must be a negligible amount of violent crime. Certainly, there's no way the murder rate could be over ten times that of the United States, like it was in 2008 (59.5 vs. 5.4). Oh, wait...

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[lawodevolution]

65. There is no such thing as a developed country.

I could find poor and rich areas of any country. If you want to feel extra safe why not go to Nigeria, Mexico or Russia where guns are heavily regulated or banned, it should be Brady campaign approved and safe there.

[rl6214]

70. My suggestion

come on down to El Paso, TX. We are just across the border from Juarez Mexico, the murder capital of the world. i'd be more than happy to show you around and protect you from all the violence, in a city declared as one of the safest cities in the US and has a near zero murder rate.

[Bragi]

89. Hmmm

That's a fine thought. Wish I could get down there sometime.

[rl6214]

100. Weather's great, 75 this afternoon.

Wish I could have gotten out to the desert and done a little exploring and target shooting. You'd have a good time.

[AtheistCrusader]

108. Actually, the brady campaign has done this sort of thing for the state of Florida.

You should give them a call, and see what their budget is for this sort of thing. I hear the donations are pouring in.

[cleanhippie]

16. I see what you are doing, and its dishonesty at its lowest level.

:puke:

[TheCowsCameHome]

18. You really think you need a gun to vacation or visit in the US?

This isn't a third world country, contrary to what you may have heard on these forums.

Wow.

[Bragi]

20. According to DU gun supporters, everyone needs a gun

I've been following the discussion on guns here for a while, and the reason people always give as to why they need guns is to defend themselves and their families.

According to these people, there is always a real possibility in America that someone will shoot me or other people, which is why they insist on carrying guns at all times.

So that's why I'm interested in getting a gun when visiting the U.S.

[DonP]

29. No, every American has the choice of whether to have a gun

A choice Canadians don't have, along with other options our constitution offers us. It's all about choices for us.

And don't worry about it, the open season on Canadians, except Quebecois and Newfies of course, doesn't start until the end of May, same time the Walleye season opens, when we have to get all the damn snowbirds out of the South. The bag limit is two from either Ontario or Manitoba, three from all the other provinces.

[TheCowsCameHome]

30. Well, that may be true, but

there are still some safe places here.

Really.

You'll have a fine visit.

[X_Digger]

33. Please cite someone saying that- "everyone needs a gun" n/t

[Bragi]

38. What other reason is there for carrying a gun?

The most common reason cited by U.S gun advocates is that carrying guns is needed for self-protection.

This is presumably based on the assumption that there is a constant, real danger posed by other people.

What other rationale could there be?

[slackmaster]

41. This may come as a surprise to you, but a huge majority of people in the USA don't carry guns

The Canadian public school system must be a disaster area.

[Bragi]

114. So why are the minority that carry guns so afraid?

That's good point you raise.

So why do you think a minority of people are so afraid of others that they feel the need to have lethal force at their disposal wherever they go?

And assuming you are a gun carrier, what makes you personally so afraid of other people?

[Katya Mullethov]

43. I wear mine like a sort of enormous codpiece

That I poke people in the eye with (figuratively) as I prance about the city , leading with my pelvis in a circular thrusting motion destined to replace Epic AK Waving man in your mythology .

[TheCowsCameHome]

51. You aren't alone.

Take comfort in that fact.

[rrneck]

53. You owe me a keyboard. nt

[AtheistCrusader]

110. Is that you, sex machine?

[ProgressiveProfessor]

47. Out where I live, its the critters

[X_Digger]

49. Do you similarly claim that those wishing to have reproductive freedom..

want 'abortions for everyone'??

[friendly_iconoclast]

58. That's not what you were asked. Please answer *that* question

Reading comprehension- It does a person good!

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[AtheistCrusader]

109. Look at the SIZE of that strawman. Wow

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[shadowrider]

24. Your question was asked and answered. Any further comments from you are simply flamebait n/t

[Bragi]

25. So this is the prelude to shutting down discussion, right?

Just wondering.

[shadowrider]

26. The "discussion" was answered. It's now flamebait n/t/

[slackmaster]

28. You shut down the discussion yourself in reply #4, in which you admitted that you are trolling

:hi:

[friendly_iconoclast]

59. "Communicating badly and acting smug when you're misunderstood is NOT CLEVERNESS."

per XKCD.

[cleanhippie]

64. You are not discussing anything. You are making shit up and trolling.

[Starboard Tack]

72. You're a brave man taking on the gungeoneers

Not many of them have a sense of humor, which really makes the whole issue even scarier. You sure got them all riled up.

[Bragi]

115. Thanks

What's fascinating is hearing all these gun advocates claim that people don't actually need guns to travel safely about the U.S.

Well, if visitors aren't in danger, then why are they so afraid of others that they think they need to carry lethal weapons everywhere they go?

[Starboard Tack]

116. I think they're caught up in a self fulfilling prophecy

There are so many out there now that they're scared of each other. Let's face it, we all have a bad day every so often. Question is, does the gun advocate decide to leave his weapon at home on those days.
And the whole license/permit thing is ludicrous. Anyone can buy a gun here and if you really wanted one, asking your cab driver at the airport would probably be a good start.

[ensho]

31. rent a gun! jeez let us hope not

nt

[Katya Mullethov]

37. Another team of crack anti-gun martyrs ?

[RSillsbee]

101. Should we know who these people are? NT

[Atypical Liberal]

36. No need to be nervous.

I'm a Canadian and will be doing a driving tour of parts of the deep south this coming May.

Since the serious threat that everyone in the U.S apparently poses for everyone else in the U.S, means that everyone needs guns, I am a bit nervous about being unarmed.

My question is whether tourists can buy or rent guns when visiting the U.S?

No, you have to be a resident alien in order to buy firearms in the US. Of course, you could just open up the local Penny Saver and buy one illegally, and no one would be the wiser, unless you get caught with the firearm, of course.

But there is no "serious threat" in the US that means that you have to be armed. Violent crime continues to decline in this country, and the biggest indicator of being involved in a shooting is whether or not you have a prior criminal history or not. If you are a law-abiding citizen, your odds of being involved in a shooting are extremely remote.

Of course, many law-abiding citizens bear arms in preparation for the unlikely occasion that they might need them, just as they own fire extinguishers, smoke detectors, spare tires, and the like.

But as long as you aren't a criminal, odds are you won't be involved in any firearm-related crime.

[MicaelS]

44. Un rec'd for flamebait n/t

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[benEzra]

56. U.S. gun laws are probably quite a bit stricter than you think...

and the U.S. is much safer than you think. Excluding certain city centers, the U.S. is roughly is safe as Canada.

On a tourist visa, you cannot buy or possess a gun under your control, except that you can rent a gun at a shooting range or preserve for supervised use at that range only. You cannot buy one to own if you are a U.S. citizen or green card holder who is over 18 (21 for handguns), have never been adjudicated mentally incompetent, and can pass an FBI/NICS background check. AFAIK, there is no such thing as legal gun rental in this country, other than the aforementioned exception.

Nor is the South (contrary to media perception) the gun-rights center of the United States; my own state of North Carolina is ranked 13th strictest in the nation by the gun control lobby, for example. The West (except California), much of the Midwest, and Vermont/New Hampshire/Maine are less restrictive than NC or Alabama, a consequence of the Reconstruction period in Southern history and the associated Jim Crow laws aimed at barring people of color from gun ownership. Not all of the South retains those legal anachronisms, but NC certainly does, and even Florida has a few (look up "Winchester rifle" in Florida statutes sometime).

[friendly_iconoclast]

60. I'm sure our northern interlocutor is familar with US gun laws, pretense aside...

...and chose the faux-naive schtick in order to piss on the uncouth and violent Yanks.

[guitar man]

66. No, but

You can rent a Harley Davidson, throw in some black leather and you'll look so badass nobody will want to mess with you.

If you're in Texas or Oklahoma be sure to stop in one of the local biker hangouts and mention how great the Hells Angels are and you'll be in good company for the rest of your trip. :evilgrin:

[shadowrider]

74. Better yet, buy their colors online, sew them on the back of a vest

walk in and buy the bar a round. That'll get their attention.

:hide:

[guitar man]

82. Yeah it would

Especially here in Oklahoma :evilgrin:

[Bragi]

91. I have a different plan

I'm planning to go into bars in the southern states I'm visiting and ask everyone why they're so afraid afraid of each other that they feel they need guns all the time.

In doing so, I won't hide my belief that I think we have a better way of doing things in Canada. In fact, I'll be straight up and honest about the fact that pretty well every other place on the planet has a better way of doing things than the U.S when it comes to dealing with guns in society, and it's based on a quite simple principle -- people don't really need guns, and for the most part shouldn't have any.

Should be a good way to meet people.

[guitar man]

92. Lolol

You go ahead and do that. You'll find out real quick that people down here don't need/use guns for everything. You walk in the wrong place down here and start running that arrogant mouth to the wrong person you'll wind up on the floor spitting out some teeth. Just some friendly advice before you go and do something stupid. ;)

[Bragi]

93. The upside: l have Canadian health coverage /nt

[jeepnstein]

94. That's some comfort...

when you're in some backwater hospital in central Florida after a good bar fight.

More likely is you'll go around offending people and they'll just ignore you. Nobody likes a jerk who takes the good time and trouble to travel thousands of miles just to be offensive. Then you can come back here and bitch about how unfriendly all those heavily armed Americans are.

I'm thinking you will do neither. You'll just sit there in Canada and bitch about Americans and their guns and how they make you feel so very uncomfortable. As if your feelings matter all that much.

Any way you go your plan is just chock full of failure. Some people are just built that way.

[guitar man]

98. I would probably just

Ignore him, but I guarantee if he walked in a couple places where I hang out, the rest of the local crowd wouldn't be so kind, I guarantee it. Shooting one's mouth off at the Road Kill Cafe in Jones, OK is not recommended :spray:

[Bragi]

113. Since you're clearly a trained something-ologist...

And able to assess my motivations and future behaviour, can you explain this:

Why are a minority of people so afraid of others that they feel they need to be able to use lethal force everywhere they go, while the majority of people feel no such a need?

And assuming you're a gun-carrier yourself, perhaps you could shed a bit of light on what makes you so afraid of others that you feel you just have to have a gun with you at all times?

[guitar man]

117. I'll answer that

25 years ago I was shot by an armed felon while I was unarmed. To this day I suffer from a permanent injury that sometimes has me walking with a cane when the weather is cold and damp. If I had my pistol with me that night in all likelihood the outcome would have been different.

[jeepnstein]

122. You're easy to figure out.

You want to judge us according to your standard and aren't being terribly polite about it. We have a term in the United States for people like you but I won't use it out of concern for your sensitive nature.

To me, carrying a pistol is as natural as carrying my cell phone and pocket knife. It has nothing to do with fear. It can be downright handy some times. I recently ran into a fellow I helped put in prison for murder a while back. He was freshly released and wanted to catch up on old times. It wasn't exactly a comfortable social situation until I decided he just wanted to vent a bit and not ventilate me. Monsters are real and they look just like you and me.

I don't really expect a foreign citizen to understand Americans. Most people would get bent, and rightly so, if some "Ugly American" came along telling them how to run their country to please us. What makes you think we're really interested in hearing anything you have to say about us giving away our Freedoms? Maybe you should mind your own business.

[oneshooter]

124. They can't carry pocket knives either. Too dangerous! n/t

[guitar man]

95. It would take a bloody long time

To get an ambulance all the way down here to you. :rofl:

[Katya Mullethov]

123. Is there some way I might wrangle into one of these upbraidings ?

I'll make ya famous .

[rl6214]

67. And where do you see

and why would you believe this bullshit. Please cite

"Since the serious threat that everyone in the U.S apparently poses for everyone else in the U.S, means that everyone needs guns, I am a bit nervous about being unarmed."

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

76. I'll ride around with you for $2000/week. I'll even carry two guns for the price of one...

Cash or paypal only, US currency. I get driven around and get to ride in the front passenger seat. Must have acess to spicy food (mexican, thai, or buffalo wings) at least once every 3 days. Deal?

(I love capitalism :7)

[shadowrider]

77. Dude, goin rate is a grand a day. Don't lower it for the rest of us n/t

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

80. Slow economy bro...

If I can take paid vacation at about $1k/week and pile on another $2k/week... I'll take it.

[petronius]

79. Just make sure to say "We do things differently in Canada" as often as possible

People will be grateful for all your well-thought out and genuine comments, and you'll make lots of lifelong admirers. Kind of like here, in fact...

[Bragi]

90. I can feel the love

I think it's mostly emanating from all the deleted posts and totally missing sub-threads, but I can't be sure.

[friendly_iconoclast]

96. Just imagine some USAian right-winger slagging your healthcare system online...

Then, he announces he's going to visit family in Canada and lecture people in person about their moral deficiencies and the problem

with Canadian healthcare. IOW, the very image of the "Ugly American".


How would you feel about a chauvinistic douchebag like this?


Sauce for goose, meet Gander....

[petronius]

97. Don't sell yourself short, it's not just the deleted posts

You are receiving the full ration of love and respect that you deserve, across the entire thread...

[Kennah]

83. Tourists are unfortunately out of luck; however, here in Washington state ...

..."a permanent resident alien with permanent resident card or green card" can get a Concealed Pistol License.

http://www.dol.wa.gov/business/firearms/faconcealreq.html

[Euromutt]

104. And you don't even need an "Alien Firearm License" any more

Which used to be the case up to a couple of years ago. Apart from sounding like something you need to possess a Martian heat ray, the AFL was an unnecessary pain in the ass, because it required the applicant to provide evidence of not having a criminal record in his country of origin. The reason this was unnecessary is because you already have to have a clean criminal record to immigrate in the first place (trust me, I'm an immigrant; I've gone through this), so the very fact that you have a Permanent Resident Card should be sufficient evidence in itself.

The sticking point, in the end, was the domestic criminal background check. In 2007 or 2008, the FBI decided that its agency rules prohibited it from running background checks for non-law enforcement agencies. That included the Washington state Dept. of Licensing, which was responsible for administering Alien Firearms Licenses. So the DOL stopped issuing and renewing AFLs, and a lot of immigrant gun owners had to scramble to stash their guns in friends' gun safes when their AFLs expired.

Fortunately, common sense prevailed in Olympia and the AFL was abolished. Good riddance.

[Kolesar]

87. I travel all over the US and don't need a gun

I have vacationed or worked in every state except Louisiana, Oklahoma, Rhode Island and Idaho.
Relax, have fun.
Lovely having you!

[armueller2001]

102. That's good, you're fortunate.

haven't needed to use my firearms in self defense either. Come to think of it, I havent needed my seat belt or airbag either, maybe I should get rid of them... just taking up space in my car and burning more hydrocarbons to transport them everywhere.

[Kolesar]

103. Safety derives from good schools, good parenting, community policing, etc

And the USA is a country where you are safe to go out and about. There are exceptions, but if you think you can assure your safety there by being armed (rather than staying out), then you are a fool.

[Upton]

118. The only real "fool"

is the kind of person who is not prepared for any eventuality...because they have the rather childish notion that nothing bad will ever happen to them.

[Kolesar]

119. Who asked you, country boy? eom

[Upton]

121. LOL..

Yeah, I live in the country now...wouldn't have it any other way. It's been my experience people in the rural US look at firearms differently than anti gun city folks (those from Cleveland for example).

[Katya Mullethov]

120. Like Kane .....on the Golden Sea

I always thought having the original hanging in the romper room would be tits .